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(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.
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(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

So why isn't W Illinois and South Dakota included? They don't even have regional jet service. A: No other Big Sky school will leave.
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(11-30-2017 03:25 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

So why isn't W Illinois and South Dakota included? They don't even have regional jet service. A: No other Big Sky school will leave.

Under your FBS theory, at least USD should be included. Maybe neither wanted to commit to a four year theory, or the MSU AD that set this up just wanted to keep it small to begin with.

If anything, the dates and schools point AGAINST your Great Northern fantasy.
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(11-29-2017 12:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  To compare the Summit / Big Sky mbb crossover to P5 mbb crossovers is just plain illogic.

P5 crossovers are coordinated from league HQ and have enormous TV financial incentives. The Summit /Sky crossover was coordinated by Ad's and is not blessed by the conference HQ.

The announcement was like a lightning strike that ipfW, W Illinois, ORU are no longer welcome in the Summit and they need to find other conferences. The inclusion of Omaha rather than USD is a sign that Omaha has moved all in on the Great Northern Conference. Denver and South Dakota will be part of it too.

Or maybe the schools in the scheduling agreement needed home games against solid competition. USD schedules very different then SDSU and NDSU which might, might give you an idea why they are not included. Your theories are absolutely nuts. I can tell you that if your mythical Great Northern were in the works, USD would be all in.

As for Omaha. They can barely afford the easy travel in the Summit. Now you expect they are going to run west to Montana, Idaho and Eastern WA?
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(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

The bold item nails it. SDSU and NDSU care deeply about RPI and both of the schools, due to past success have a very hard time getting good teams to travel to our home court. We played a home and home with Idaho, last year in out of conference. We did the same with UND a few years back. Filling our home OOC schedule with D1 schools is not easy.

As for who was included. Again, it has a lot to do with who has a harder time getting good non-conference games and the philosophy behind scheduling.

NoDak's theories read like a crazy spy novel. They make for good reading, but they are all fiction.
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NDSU is playing three non-DI schools because IUPUI bailed on the conference late, it wasn't by choice. I think at one point the intention was to only have one, this arrangement should help with future scheduling.

The whole great Northern League is a good idea but in my opinion it only happens if something drives these universities to want to collaborate on an FBS move. Which isn't something I've seen from any of the schools mentioned.
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(11-30-2017 04:42 PM)NDBison Wrote:  NDSU is playing three non-DI schools because IUPUI bailed on the conference late, it wasn't by choice. I think at one point the intention was to only have one, this arrangement should help with future scheduling.

The whole great Northern League is a good idea but in my opinion it only happens if something drives these universities to want to collaborate on an FBS move. Which isn't something I've seen from any of the schools mentioned.
So Stetson and Florida A&M and UND arent good enough for visiting Fargo? Next year NDSU loses the H&H non conference with UND because it will be a conference game.

Well if they announce right now, USD, SDSU, and NDSU will forfeit their FCS playoff spots. Happen to think that is a good reason to delay an announcement.
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(11-30-2017 04:01 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

The bold item nails it. SDSU and NDSU care deeply about RPI and both of the schools, due to past success have a very hard time getting good teams to travel to our home court. We played a home and home with Idaho, last year in out of conference. We did the same with UND a few years back. Filling our home OOC schedule with D1 schools is not easy.

As for who was included. Again, it has a lot to do with who has a harder time getting good non-conference games and the philosophy behind scheduling.

NoDak's theories read like a crazy spy novel. They make for good reading, but they are all fiction.

Knew you aren't ambitious for SDSU except for the Summit tourney in Sioux Falls and that DI autobid. The Summit tourney would rotate among different locations, so SDSU fans are almost all against anything that would threaten it. Maybe Sioux Falls can have a permanent hold on the women's bb. Billings, Spokane, and even Bismarck would provide sellout crowds for a Summit mbb tourney.
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(11-30-2017 05:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 04:01 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

The bold item nails it. SDSU and NDSU care deeply about RPI and both of the schools, due to past success have a very hard time getting good teams to travel to our home court. We played a home and home with Idaho, last year in out of conference. We did the same with UND a few years back. Filling our home OOC schedule with D1 schools is not easy.

As for who was included. Again, it has a lot to do with who has a harder time getting good non-conference games and the philosophy behind scheduling.

NoDak's theories read like a crazy spy novel. They make for good reading, but they are all fiction.

Knew you aren't ambitious for SDSU except for the Summit tourney in Sioux Falls and that DI autobid. The Summit tourney would rotate among different locations, so SDSU fans are almost all against anything that would threaten it. Maybe Sioux Falls can have a permanent hold on the women's bb. Billings, Spokane, and even Bismarck would provide sellout crowds for a Summit mbb tourney.

Ah yes, someone calls your crazy ideas out and the attacks begin. And you wonder why no one will listen to your nutty ideas?

SDSU will end up where we end up. What I can guarantee, we will continue to be far more successful then UND. Of course that isn't really that difficult. We can be in the Summit, or your mythical Great Northern, we will still account for 70% of the crowd and we will still be winning the auto bid. That's how we roll at SDSU.
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(11-30-2017 04:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 04:42 PM)NDBison Wrote:  NDSU is playing three non-DI schools because IUPUI bailed on the conference late, it wasn't by choice. I think at one point the intention was to only have one, this arrangement should help with future scheduling.

The whole great Northern League is a good idea but in my opinion it only happens if something drives these universities to want to collaborate on an FBS move. Which isn't something I've seen from any of the schools mentioned.
So Stetson and Florida A&M and UND arent good enough for visiting Fargo? Next year NDSU loses the H&H non conference with UND because it will be a conference game.

Well if they announce right now, USD, SDSU, and NDSU will forfeit their FCS playoff spots. Happen to think that is a good reason to delay an announcement.

You do know that by having UND in the Summit the rest of the league will have one less OOC game to schedule. The rest of your post makes no sense either. We are going to forfeit our playoff spots? Why would that be? I suggest you lay off the wine, or considering your affinity for 4/20, something else 05-nono
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(11-30-2017 07:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 05:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 04:01 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 10:16 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  It's about the same distance to Cleveland from Fargo as it is to Missoula.

Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

The bold item nails it. SDSU and NDSU care deeply about RPI and both of the schools, due to past success have a very hard time getting good teams to travel to our home court. We played a home and home with Idaho, last year in out of conference. We did the same with UND a few years back. Filling our home OOC schedule with D1 schools is not easy.

As for who was included. Again, it has a lot to do with who has a harder time getting good non-conference games and the philosophy behind scheduling.

NoDak's theories read like a crazy spy novel. They make for good reading, but they are all fiction.

Knew you aren't ambitious for SDSU except for the Summit tourney in Sioux Falls and that DI autobid. The Summit tourney would rotate among different locations, so SDSU fans are almost all against anything that would threaten it. Maybe Sioux Falls can have a permanent hold on the women's bb. Billings, Spokane, and even Bismarck would provide sellout crowds for a Summit mbb tourney.

Ah yes, someone calls your crazy ideas out and the attacks begin. And you wonder why no one will listen to your nutty ideas?

SDSU will end up where we end up. What I can guarantee, we will continue to be far more successful then UND. Of course that isn't really that difficult. We can be in the Summit, or your mythical Great Northern, we will still account for 70% of the crowd and we will still be winning the auto bid. That's how we roll at SDSU.

Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, including SDSU fans who invaded our board saying that things will never work out for us. How did that work out for the rabbit naysayers? Feeling deja vu.

UND is blazing a path for FBS to include the Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho and we'll still be ripped on because that's all you know how to roll by tearing others down.
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(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, ....

Yknow, in a movie, when a character says "EVeryone said I was crazy!" That's a pretty dead giveaway that the character is, in fact, crazy. Just sayin'.
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(11-30-2017 08:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, ....

Yknow, in a movie, when a character says "EVeryone said I was crazy!" That's a pretty dead giveaway that the character is, in fact, crazy. Just sayin'.
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UND and the other Dakota's, Montana's and Idaho will be FBS. It is a lock but you refuse to believe it will happen because of naivety.
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The Montana schools have had many chances to go FBS, they. Do not want it. Big Sky is going strong after 54 years. Clock is ticking NoDak.


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"Going strong" is a bit of an exaggeration. But the Big Sky definitely exists.
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The trouble with any sort of Big North, Dakota/Montana/Idaho/Omaha/Denver league is what do you do with ORU, WIU, and IPFW?

Unless the Horizon feels benevolent and sweeps in to take WIU and IPFW the Summit is crowded and has some geographic baggage that is unattractive for any Mountain time zone teams. There's also the question of wether Idaho and the Montanas would even find it attractive.
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(12-01-2017 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The trouble with any sort of Big North, Dakota/Montana/Idaho/Omaha/Denver league is what do you do with ORU, WIU, and IPFW?

Unless the Horizon feels benevolent and sweeps in to take WIU and IPFW the Summit is crowded and has some geographic baggage that is unattractive for any Mountain time zone teams. There's also the question of wether Idaho and the Montanas would even find it attractive.

It's actually an open question whether any of these schools find it attractive. I mean, I like it, but I'm a just a guy on a message board and so is NoDak. The only thing I've heard from Idaho's AD is that he wants to stay with the Montanas from here on. No mention of any Dakotas at all.
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(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 07:31 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 05:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 04:01 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 03:03 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  Yeah, but that deflates the whole conspiracy. Not nearly as fun once you start factoring actual geography and travel miles into it. 02-13-banana

Occam's Razor applies: this is two groups of remote schools who struggle to get good home games in non-conference working together to remedy that. All of the schools on the Summit League side are playing multiple non-DIs this year; NDSU is playing THREE. You don't get better by playing that many DII, DIII and NAIA schools.

I like these, personally. I hope they become more common. SoCon/OVC, Big South/A-Sun, MAAC/America East. Might not help SOS as much for the higher-end teams, but you're getting guaranteed home games, which is just as important at this level.

The bold item nails it. SDSU and NDSU care deeply about RPI and both of the schools, due to past success have a very hard time getting good teams to travel to our home court. We played a home and home with Idaho, last year in out of conference. We did the same with UND a few years back. Filling our home OOC schedule with D1 schools is not easy.

As for who was included. Again, it has a lot to do with who has a harder time getting good non-conference games and the philosophy behind scheduling.

NoDak's theories read like a crazy spy novel. They make for good reading, but they are all fiction.

Knew you aren't ambitious for SDSU except for the Summit tourney in Sioux Falls and that DI autobid. The Summit tourney would rotate among different locations, so SDSU fans are almost all against anything that would threaten it. Maybe Sioux Falls can have a permanent hold on the women's bb. Billings, Spokane, and even Bismarck would provide sellout crowds for a Summit mbb tourney.

Ah yes, someone calls your crazy ideas out and the attacks begin. And you wonder why no one will listen to your nutty ideas?

SDSU will end up where we end up. What I can guarantee, we will continue to be far more successful then UND. Of course that isn't really that difficult. We can be in the Summit, or your mythical Great Northern, we will still account for 70% of the crowd and we will still be winning the auto bid. That's how we roll at SDSU.

Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, including SDSU fans who invaded our board saying that things will never work out for us. How did that work out for the rabbit naysayers? Feeling deja vu.

UND is blazing a path for FBS to include the Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho and we'll still be ripped on because that's all you know how to roll by tearing others down.

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(12-01-2017 06:39 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 06:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The trouble with any sort of Big North, Dakota/Montana/Idaho/Omaha/Denver league is what do you do with ORU, WIU, and IPFW?

Unless the Horizon feels benevolent and sweeps in to take WIU and IPFW the Summit is crowded and has some geographic baggage that is unattractive for any Mountain time zone teams. There's also the question of wether Idaho and the Montanas would even find it attractive.

It's actually an open question whether any of these schools find it attractive. I mean, I like it, but I'm a just a guy on a message board and so is NoDak. The only thing I've heard from Idaho's AD is that he wants to stay with the Montanas from here on. No mention of any Dakotas at all.
There is no question that the Montana, Dakota, Denver and Idaho Presidents find it academically attractive. Think they see it as athletically attractive too.

UND and NDSU fans absolutely hate each other.
Same goes for the Montana's and South Dakota's too but maybe not so much.
The Montana / North Dakota rivalry has always been strong especially in western ND and eastern Montana.
UND ties in Denver and Omaha by way of hockey, as that is the centerpiece sport for each of them and they want and need that in other sports. Montana and NDSU fb fans always seem to be talking about each other.
UND and NDSU have built budgets that dwarf the Montana's and Idaho but not overpowering like the MWC budget.
The Montanas are bound to each other.
SDSU will follow NDSU like a little lambs or rather like good bunny rabbits, as they always have.
USD needs SDSU and Omaha.
Idaho knows it needs the Montana's after its experience with Boise St, which has renounced their former rivalry.
EWU needs Idaho and the Montana's for attendance and relevance. EWU without them is almost unthinkable. Portland St would be a booby prize in comparison.

The only school left in the Big Sky that could roll with this group is Weber St.

The league is would be one of the most stable ones out there except the P5 minus the B12 and the Ivy League. Its just a matter of time and only one of IPFW, ORU, or W Illinois needs to leave so the votes are there. Its a slam dunk easy prediction. Yet Jacksfan still complains because Sioux Falls won't host so much.
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How many times has MSU president Cruzado talked to any of the Dakotas about this?
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