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(12-01-2017 07:52 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  ...

Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, including SDSU fans who invaded our board saying that things will never work out for us. How did that work out for the rabbit naysayers? Feeling deja vu.

UND is blazing a path for FBS to include the Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho and we'll still be ripped on because that's all you know how to roll by tearing others down.

4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20

2018... won't be long and we'll be there

His mom lets him do that in her basement? I mean yeah he's 40, but he still lives in her house.
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(12-01-2017 10:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 07:52 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  ...

Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, including SDSU fans who invaded our board saying that things will never work out for us. How did that work out for the rabbit naysayers? Feeling deja vu.

UND is blazing a path for FBS to include the Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho and we'll still be ripped on because that's all you know how to roll by tearing others down.

4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20

2018... won't be long and we'll be there

His mom lets him do that in her basement? I mean yeah he's 40, but he still lives in her house.

Guess you must just be projecting your circumstances. Always took you for having a two bedroom rambler in San Jose with a postage stamp yard thinking he was some know it all programmer. My. elderly parents can come to my home in TN anytime, but they hate traveling and don't want to miss UND games of any kind
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(12-01-2017 10:33 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  How many times has MSU president Cruzado talked to any of the Dakotas about this?

Cruzado is far too smart to leak stuff inadvertently. She's probably one of the main ringleaders as she's been there awhile.

Think this has all been planned out since the WAC dropped FBS.
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(12-01-2017 11:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 10:33 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  How many times has MSU president Cruzado talked to any of the Dakotas about this?

Cruzado is far too smart to leak stuff inadvertently. She's probably one of the main ringleaders as she's been there awhile.

Think this has all been planned out since the WAC dropped FBS.

So, you don't actually know if she has or hasn't talked to anyone about this conference. I could just as easily and with as much evidence say that she hasn't.
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(12-01-2017 11:13 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 11:02 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 10:33 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  How many times has MSU president Cruzado talked to any of the Dakotas about this?

Cruzado is far too smart to leak stuff inadvertently. She's probably one of the main ringleaders as she's been there awhile.

Think this has all been planned out since the WAC dropped FBS.

So, you don't actually know if she has or hasn't talked to anyone about this conference. I could just as easily and with as much evidence say that she hasn't.

Good Presidents aspire to a good academic athletic conference. If she's good, she will be all in. The Big Sky doesn t meet that standard.
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(12-01-2017 09:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There is no question that the Montana, Dakota, Denver and Idaho Presidents find it academically attractive. Think they see it as athletically attractive too.

UND and NDSU fans absolutely hate each other.
Same goes for the Montana's and South Dakota's too but maybe not so much.
The Montana / North Dakota rivalry has always been strong especially in western ND and eastern Montana.
UND ties in Denver and Omaha by way of hockey, as that is the centerpiece sport for each of them and they want and need that in other sports. Montana and NDSU fb fans always seem to be talking about each other.
UND and NDSU have built budgets that dwarf the Montana's and Idaho but not overpowering like the MWC budget.
The Montanas are bound to each other.
SDSU will follow NDSU like a little lambs or rather like good bunny rabbits, as they always have.
USD needs SDSU and Omaha.
Idaho knows it needs the Montana's after its experience with Boise St, which has renounced their former rivalry.
EWU needs Idaho and the Montana's for attendance and relevance. EWU without them is almost unthinkable. Portland St would be a booby prize in comparison.

The only school left in the Big Sky that could roll with this group is Weber St.

The league is would be one of the most stable ones out there except the P5 minus the B12 and the Ivy League. Its just a matter of time and only one of IPFW, ORU, or W Illinois needs to leave so the votes are there. Its a slam dunk easy prediction. Yet Jacksfan still complains because Sioux Falls won't host so much.

I don't argue with the logic here, but you also say this has been in the works since the collapse of WAC football. I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Idaho has not had anything to do with anything like this at least through 2016, I don't have any evidence that Idaho leadership has worked on this project in 2017, and there's plenty of evidence that they remain as clueless and frozen as ever.

Maybe the Dakotas and Montanas have been working on this secretly and plan to drag Idaho in at the last minute. I don't know. But I really doubt it.

By the way, if I'm going along with this I don't really understand why you're so sure EWU is in. They're not a particularly good school, don't have much money, and are an afterthought in their state. Doesn't really fit the profile if a big part of the selling point is an academic affiliation. I get the travel partner thing but if that's the need then why not Seattle U?
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(12-02-2017 12:02 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 09:58 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There is no question that the Montana, Dakota, Denver and Idaho Presidents find it academically attractive. Think they see it as athletically attractive too.

UND and NDSU fans absolutely hate each other.
Same goes for the Montana's and South Dakota's too but maybe not so much.
The Montana / North Dakota rivalry has always been strong especially in western ND and eastern Montana.
UND ties in Denver and Omaha by way of hockey, as that is the centerpiece sport for each of them and they want and need that in other sports. Montana and NDSU fb fans always seem to be talking about each other.
UND and NDSU have built budgets that dwarf the Montana's and Idaho but not overpowering like the MWC budget.
The Montanas are bound to each other.
SDSU will follow NDSU like a little lambs or rather like good bunny rabbits, as they always have.
USD needs SDSU and Omaha.
Idaho knows it needs the Montana's after its experience with Boise St, which has renounced their former rivalry.
EWU needs Idaho and the Montana's for attendance and relevance. EWU without them is almost unthinkable. Portland St would be a booby prize in comparison.

The only school left in the Big Sky that could roll with this group is Weber St.

The league is would be one of the most stable ones out there except the P5 minus the B12 and the Ivy League. Its just a matter of time and only one of IPFW, ORU, or W Illinois needs to leave so the votes are there. Its a slam dunk easy prediction. Yet Jacksfan still complains because Sioux Falls won't host so much.

I don't argue with the logic here, but you also say this has been in the works since the collapse of WAC football. I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Idaho has not had anything to do with anything like this at least through 2016, and I don't have any evidence that Idaho leadership has worked on this project in 2017, and plenty of evidence that they remain as clueless and frozen as ever.

Maybe the Dakotas and Montanas have been working on this secretly and plan to drag Idaho in at the last minute. I don't know. But I really doubt it.

By the way, if I'm going along with this I don't really understand why you're so sure EWU is in. They're not a particularly good school, don't have much money, and are an afterthought in their state. Doesn't really fit the profile if a big part of the selling point is an academic affiliation. I get the travel partner thing but if that's the need then why not Seattle U?
Idaho moved from the WAC to the Big Sky to be with the Montana's and EWU when they could have stayed in the WAC and been Seattle's travel partner. That move wasn't about the Big Sky but about a subset of it they need to associate with.

EWU is desperately trying to raise funds for an FBS minimum stadium. That tells me a lot.

All of the football schools have taken steps in which FBS is more probable, except Idaho of course but associating with the Montana's and EWU again will make FBS more financially viable.
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(12-02-2017 12:12 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Idaho moved from the WAC to the Big Sky to be with the Montana's and EWU when they could have stayed in the WAC and been Seattle's travel partner. That move wasn't about the Big Sky but about a subset of it they need to associate with.

EWU is desperately trying to raise funds for an FBS minimum stadium. That tells me a lot.

All of the football schools have taken steps in which FBS is more probable, except Idaho of course but associating with the Montana's and EWU again will make FBS more financially viable.

Idaho moved to the Big Sky because the WAC looked (and still looks) in danger of imminent collapse, and in order to associate with the Montanas. I'm sure the identity of their travel partner had nothing to do with it. Travel partners are for the convenience of the other members of a conference, not the travel partners themselves.

And nobody at EWU is desperately doing anything. They hired a consultant to help figure out if they're even capable of raising money to do any facility improvements at all. Last relevant article: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/ma...ing-prosp/

Relevant passage:

Five years ago, Eastern announced plans for the Gateway Project, a multi-use facility that failed to get off the ground for lack of donors.

Four years later, Cullinan gave athletic director Bill Chaves an open-ended directive to “explore options” regarding improvements to Roos Field.

However, since taking office in 2014, Cullinan has offered no comments either for or against any improvements or renovations. Neither has the Board of Regents, the university’s governing body.

Smits will begin work on May 30. An assessment phase is expected to last four months, and will include interviews with more than 30 people on campus. The second phase, implementation of recommendations from the assessment will take eight months.


What part of that screams "desperately trying to raise funds for an FBS minimum stadium"?
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Another article on EWU's situation: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/ju...n-more-to/

The ballpark number thrown around for Roos Field renovations -- not to be FBS, but just to keep up with the better Big Sky programs -- is $30 million. The university's entire endowment is $18.6 million. As I keep trying to point out, this is not a school with deep-pocketed donors or really access to any significant resources. They're already operating at pretty much the peak of what they can do.
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(12-01-2017 10:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 10:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 07:52 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  ...

Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, including SDSU fans who invaded our board saying that things will never work out for us. How did that work out for the rabbit naysayers? Feeling deja vu.

UND is blazing a path for FBS to include the Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho and we'll still be ripped on because that's all you know how to roll by tearing others down.

4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20

2018... won't be long and we'll be there

His mom lets him do that in her basement? I mean yeah he's 40, but he still lives in her house.

Guess you must just be projecting your circumstances. Always took you for having a two bedroom rambler in San Jose with a postage stamp yard thinking he was some know it all programmer. My. elderly parents can come to my home in TN anytime, but they hate traveling and don't want to miss UND games of any kind

For the record, I own multiple properties in the Bay Area and "off the record" also in Mainland China -- you think Silicon Valley property has sky rocketed, you should see what these have done (and no sellers tax in PRC) --. Our primary is in the "Apple" zone, which is nice, as it doubled value in the last 7 years. Double professional income for 25 years. So yeah, we're kinda struggling, you know kids in private schools in New England, and all the tax crap. But we get by.

Glad to see you got out of mom's, given your 4-20. So how is that trailer park down by the river working for you?
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(12-02-2017 03:08 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 10:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 10:38 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(12-01-2017 07:52 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 07:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  ...

Everybody said I was nutty when I said UND was a lock for the Big Sky, including SDSU fans who invaded our board saying that things will never work out for us. How did that work out for the rabbit naysayers? Feeling deja vu.

UND is blazing a path for FBS to include the Dakota's, Montana's, and Idaho and we'll still be ripped on because that's all you know how to roll by tearing others down.

4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20 4/20

2018... won't be long and we'll be there

His mom lets him do that in her basement? I mean yeah he's 40, but he still lives in her house.

Guess you must just be projecting your circumstances. Always took you for having a two bedroom rambler in San Jose with a postage stamp yard thinking he was some know it all programmer. My. elderly parents can come to my home in TN anytime, but they hate traveling and don't want to miss UND games of any kind

For the record, I own multiple properties in the Bay Area and "off the record" also in Mainland China -- you think Silicon Valley property has sky rocketed, you should see what these have done (and no sellers tax in PRC) --. Our primary is in the "Apple" zone, which is nice, as it doubled value in the last 7 years. Double professional income for 25 years. So yeah, we're kinda struggling, you know kids in private schools in New England, and all the tax crap. But we get by.

Glad to see you got out of mom's, given your 4-20. So how is that trailer park down by the river working for you?

You display immense qualities of Coastal elitism based on socioeconomics. I don't judge posters on their real estate or professional status, in fact I could care less, and I would highly suggest that you take that approach too.
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(12-02-2017 01:05 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Another article on EWU's situation: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/ju...n-more-to/

The ballpark number thrown around for Roos Field renovations -- not to be FBS, but just to keep up with the better Big Sky programs -- is $30 million. The university's entire endowment is $18.6 million. As I keep trying to point out, this is not a school with deep-pocketed donors or really access to any significant resources. They're already operating at pretty much the peak of what they can do.

EWU is very similar to La-Monroe with its endowment. La-Monroe used to be a JC, and we know how Boise St parlayed that status. It won't be easy for EWU, but it isn't impossible. The President of EWU is drawing rave reviews for her track record of getting things done.
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(12-02-2017 03:00 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 01:05 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  Another article on EWU's situation: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/ju...n-more-to/

The ballpark number thrown around for Roos Field renovations -- not to be FBS, but just to keep up with the better Big Sky programs -- is $30 million. The university's entire endowment is $18.6 million. As I keep trying to point out, this is not a school with deep-pocketed donors or really access to any significant resources. They're already operating at pretty much the peak of what they can do.

EWU is very similar to La-Monroe with its endowment. La-Monroe used to be a JC, and we know how Boise St parlayed that status. It won't be easy for EWU, but it isn't impossible. The President of EWU is drawing rave reviews for her track record of getting things done.

You mean ULM, a fraud of an FBS program and everybody's favorite candidate to be the first FBS conference member to drop to FCS/drop football?
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NoDak,

There is an old saying about the courtroom. If you don't like the answer, you asked the wrong question. The corollary, if you don't know the answer, don't ask the question.

You accused me of being low socioeconomic class, and said I was projecting my status upon you, which was a challenge for me to answer and reveal. So I did. I had not done that before, as I do not care about the status of anyone else is. You are sensitive to it, which indicates your low self esteem. This could go a long way to explain your name calling and dishing when challenged, and also the thin skin you display when it comes back at you ("don't dish it out if you can't take it"). So be it.
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(12-02-2017 12:02 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I don't argue with the logic here, but you also say this has been in the works since the collapse of WAC football. I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Idaho has not had anything to do with anything like this at least through 2016, I don't have any evidence that Idaho leadership has worked on this project in 2017, and there's plenty of evidence that they remain as clueless and frozen as ever.

Maybe the Dakotas and Montanas have been working on this secretly and plan to drag Idaho in at the last minute. I don't know. But I really doubt it.

By the way, if I'm going along with this I don't really understand why you're so sure EWU is in. They're not a particularly good school, don't have much money, and are an afterthought in their state. Doesn't really fit the profile if a big part of the selling point is an academic affiliation. I get the travel partner thing but if that's the need then why not Seattle U?

His Dakota conference dream falls apart every time EWU is brought into the discussion. If his conference wet dream really is about like minded schools banding together to go at it in FB, then EWU has no business in the discussion. FFS it take a 2.0 and pulse to get into that school...and as you pointed out they are broke AF.
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(12-02-2017 05:02 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 12:02 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  I don't argue with the logic here, but you also say this has been in the works since the collapse of WAC football. I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Idaho has not had anything to do with anything like this at least through 2016, I don't have any evidence that Idaho leadership has worked on this project in 2017, and there's plenty of evidence that they remain as clueless and frozen as ever.

Maybe the Dakotas and Montanas have been working on this secretly and plan to drag Idaho in at the last minute. I don't know. But I really doubt it.

By the way, if I'm going along with this I don't really understand why you're so sure EWU is in. They're not a particularly good school, don't have much money, and are an afterthought in their state. Doesn't really fit the profile if a big part of the selling point is an academic affiliation. I get the travel partner thing but if that's the need then why not Seattle U?

His Dakota conference dream falls apart every time EWU is brought into the discussion. If his conference wet dream really is about like minded schools banding together to go at it in FB, then EWU has no business in the discussion. FFS it take a 2.0 and pulse to get into that school...and as you pointed out they are broke AF.

Weber St is able if EWU cant. They don't give great travel partners, but they are more than capable. Try again.
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(12-02-2017 04:18 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  NoDak,

There is an old saying about the courtroom. If you don't like the answer, you asked the wrong question. The corollary, if you don't know the answer, don't ask the question.

You accused me of being low socioeconomic class, and said I was projecting my status upon you, which was a challenge for me to answer and reveal. So I did. I had not done that before, as I do not care about the status of anyone else is. You are sensitive to it, which indicates your low self esteem. This could go a long way to explain your name calling and dishing when challenged, and also the thin skin you display when it comes back at you ("don't dish it out if you can't take it"). So be it.

Your psychobabble is just that. Not for this board.
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(12-02-2017 07:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Weber St is able if EWU cant. They don't give great travel partners, but they are more than capable. Try again.

The point is that the Great Northern Conference makes sense as a grouping of Great Plains flagships-and-landgrants. The whole point is to leave behind the less prestigious "directional schools." Denver makes sense because it's a prestigious private. UN-Omaha and UMKC give you presences in some major nearby metro areas. Western Illinois, Fort Wayne and ORal Roberts--they don't bring anything to the table for the Great Northern League, but they're in the league you're taking over and you can't really kick them out.

I don't understand the point of the exercise if you're letting Eastern Washington tag along. (I understand you think this is about FBS. It's not. If it's a real thing, it's about UM and NDSU etc trying to look more like University of Minnesota and Oregon State University than like Northern Colorado and University of Minnesota at Minnetonka).
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(12-02-2017 08:13 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 07:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Weber St is able if EWU cant. They don't give great travel partners, but they are more than capable. Try again.

The point is that the Great Northern Conference makes sense as a grouping of Great Plains flagships-and-landgrants. The whole point is to leave behind the less prestigious "directional schools." Denver makes sense because it's a prestigious private. UN-Omaha and UMKC give you presences in some major nearby metro areas. Western Illinois, Fort Wayne and ORal Roberts--they don't bring anything to the table for the Great Northern League, but they're in the league you're taking over and you can't really kick them out.

I don't understand the point of the exercise if you're letting Eastern Washington tag along. (I understand you think this is about FBS. It's not. If it's a real thing, it's about UM and NDSU etc trying to look more like University of Minnesota and Oregon State University than like Northern Colorado and University of Minnesota at Minnetonka).

Could lecture you all day why Seton Hall isn't worthy of a Big East bid, but won't. The Hall got in because it was in Jersey, and filled a media need.

EWU has been the class of Big Sky football for the last seven years. Excluding them would be like excluding Boise St. Both have similar roots.
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(12-02-2017 08:21 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 08:13 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 07:49 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Weber St is able if EWU cant. They don't give great travel partners, but they are more than capable. Try again.

The point is that the Great Northern Conference makes sense as a grouping of Great Plains flagships-and-landgrants. The whole point is to leave behind the less prestigious "directional schools." Denver makes sense because it's a prestigious private. UN-Omaha and UMKC give you presences in some major nearby metro areas. Western Illinois, Fort Wayne and ORal Roberts--they don't bring anything to the table for the Great Northern League, but they're in the league you're taking over and you can't really kick them out.

I don't understand the point of the exercise if you're letting Eastern Washington tag along. (I understand you think this is about FBS. It's not. If it's a real thing, it's about UM and NDSU etc trying to look more like University of Minnesota and Oregon State University than like Northern Colorado and University of Minnesota at Minnetonka).

Could lecture you all day why Seton Hall isn't worthy of a Big East bid, but won't. The Hall got in because it was in Jersey, and filled a media need.

The original back-of-the-napkin plan had Rutgers and Temple. When they balked, as there was talk of an Eastern League including Penn State football, their spots went to Seton Hall and Villanova. IF we were building a league from scratch, which the Great Northern is doing (if it's actually a thing), I don't know if having a northern New Jersey presence is as important.

Eastern Washington in the Great Northern is not so much Seton Hall in the Big East as Virginia Commonwealth. Athletics-wise, they'd be a huge asset. But conferences aren't just about athletics, they're about perception of the schools in them.
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