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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 06:30 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Rice is a great school. More Ivy League than P5. They are not going to spend the money necessary to compete with the bigger named schools. They are not going to any of the above mentioned conferences no matter how many times people keep saying it on this board.

As I've said a great number of times, I don't get who or what they're trying to be. Seems they're just living off their legacy as a former major conference team. They could turn into Emory or MIT or even Georgetown (FCS non-scholarship). They could be an Ivy/Patriot like school or they could be like Stanford, Vandy, etc...

I just don't get how they can be satisfied with status quo, being associated with the schools they are and not even being good among them.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 11:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 06:30 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Rice is a great school. More Ivy League than P5. They are not going to spend the money necessary to compete with the bigger named schools. They are not going to any of the above mentioned conferences no matter how many times people keep saying it on this board.

As I've said a great number of times, I don't get who or what they're trying to be. Seems they're just living off their legacy as a former major conference team. They could turn into Emory or MIT or even Georgetown (FCS non-scholarship) . They could be an Ivy/Patriot like school or they could be like Stanford, Vandy, etc...

I just don't get how they can be satisfied with status quo, being associated with the schools they are and not even being good among them.

Honestly, the perfect place for them is a G5 "Ivy league" with a core of Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Navy, and Army. You need 2 more schools to finish. Maybe UMass and Buffalo?
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 01:16 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice has made a great (FC) hire and is a perfect fit as a private school in one of the divisions in the current P4. Resources are there, and the footprint opens Texas to the B10, PAC12 or ACC. A Rice add to the SEC enhances the Texas footprint for the SEC and adds a second private for the conference.

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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 11:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 11:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 06:30 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Rice is a great school. More Ivy League than P5. They are not going to spend the money necessary to compete with the bigger named schools. They are not going to any of the above mentioned conferences no matter how many times people keep saying it on this board.

As I've said a great number of times, I don't get who or what they're trying to be. Seems they're just living off their legacy as a former major conference team. They could turn into Emory or MIT or even Georgetown (FCS non-scholarship) . They could be an Ivy/Patriot like school or they could be like Stanford, Vandy, etc...

I just don't get how they can be satisfied with status quo, being associated with the schools they are and not even being good among them.

Honestly, the perfect place for them is a G5 "Ivy league" with a core of Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Navy, and Army. You need 2 more schools to finish. Maybe UMass and Buffalo?

That would be a heck of a conference if Muffalo could get their stuff straight.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 03:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Rice could be another Duke, Northwestern or Stanford but they have to care first.
"Care" is an odd abbreviation for "more than double their enrollment". Duke, Northwestern and Stanford are between 15,000 and 22,000 students, while Rice is less than 7,000.

At Rice's size, if it wanted to get serious about a higher profile sport than baseball, it ought to target basketball.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 11:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 11:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 06:30 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Rice is a great school. More Ivy League than P5. They are not going to spend the money necessary to compete with the bigger named schools. They are not going to any of the above mentioned conferences no matter how many times people keep saying it on this board.

As I've said a great number of times, I don't get who or what they're trying to be. Seems they're just living off their legacy as a former major conference team. They could turn into Emory or MIT or even Georgetown (FCS non-scholarship) . They could be an Ivy/Patriot like school or they could be like Stanford, Vandy, etc...

I just don't get how they can be satisfied with status quo, being associated with the schools they are and not even being good among them.

Honestly, the perfect place for them is a G5 "Ivy league" with a core of Rice, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, Navy, and Army. You need 2 more schools to finish. Maybe UMass and Buffalo?

Yeah, I don't get how they could satisfied being lumped with the Florida airports and oceans, the Southern Belle, the school from Necessary Roughness (I think 05-stirthepot), that thing Wylie E. Coyote chases after, that school out west for underaged people, the suit wearers (that's UAB by the way), Pegusus, the hillbillies, those dethroned guys, those golddigging skanks, Louisiana Trek and Marshall, Marshall, Marshall!

Seriously though, none of their current academic or former athletic peers are in C-USA, they've been left behind by all of them.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-10-2017 01:10 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(12-09-2017 03:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Rice could be another Duke, Northwestern or Stanford but they have to care first.
"Care" is an odd abbreviation for "more than double their enrollment". Duke, Northwestern and Stanford are between 15,000 and 22,000 students, while Rice is less than 7,000.

At Rice's size, if it wanted to get serious about a higher profile sport than baseball, it ought to target basketball.

Definitely. I get that Rice is an academic power but their reputation does take a hit because of what they do on the field and court and who they associate with.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
Stanford has just 7,032 undergraduates. Grad students really are not part of the athletic program anywhere, and in Stanford's case involve a lot of night school MBA types (it's a cash cow). They also have a Med school. So lets go by Undergraduates. I charted out private schools. The first group are AAU FBS schools. Then AAU Ivy League FCS schools, then other FBS private schools. The most similar school in term of enrollment is Wake Forest. In terms of endowment and resources only Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Notre Dame in FBS have more financial power. They rank even ahead of USC, Vandy, and Miami.

The enrollment argument has some validity. They probably need another 1,000 undergrads to sustain a top level FBS program. Overall they look like a 'tweener. More resources than any G5, but not the size needed for P5.

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Southern Cal 18,740 ($4.6 billion)
Tulane 8,452 ($1.171 billion)
Northwestern 8,353 ($9.648 billion)
Stanford 7,032 ($22.398 billion)
Vanderbilt 6,885 ($4.1 billion)
Duke 6,562 ($7.9 billion)
Rice 3,879 ($5.324 billion)

Cornell 14,315 ($6.8 billion)
Penn 10,406 ($12.2 billion)
Columbia 8,410 ($10 billion)
Harvard 6,700 ($34.541 billion)
Brown 6,580 ($3.5 billion)
Yale 5,453 ($27.2 billion)
Princeton 5,400 ($23.8 billion)

Brigham Young 30,395 ($1.47 billion)
Baylor 14,189 ($1.144 billion)
U of Miami 10,849 ($3.3 billion)
Boston College 9,100 ($2.4 billion)
Texas Christian 8,892 ($1.514 billion)
Notre Dame 8,448 ($11.8 billion)
Wake Forest 4,955 ($1.141 billion)
Tulsa 3,174 ($957.5 million)

Liberty ~12,500 ($1.1 billion) // a guesstimate, as they have ~15,000 residential students, >100,000 online
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-09-2017 03:20 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Rice is an academic powerhouse. It is potentially a Duke, Stanford or Northwestern. But so far it's performance is more like a Tulsa or Tulane.

The last 2 decades of performance Tulsa in comparison to Rice has looked like Notre Dame, with a fair amount of conference level dominance in football and significant runs in men's basketball.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
We know that Rice was willing to move to the Mountain West to separate from C-USA, a move that almost mirrors their trek to the WAC.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

Alot of people are predicting (especially on the CUSA board) that the next AAC deal with collapse to CUSA levels in the next deal. In that kind of AAC worst case scenario I could see Houston and SMU grabbing Rice and creating a Texas based regional G5 that revives the SWC name. The base would be something like Houston, Rice, SMU, UTSA, Texas St, LaTech, Memphis, and ArkySt. Then, depending on how large you want to be, you fill in the edges with teams like Tulsa, S Miss, Tulane, ULL, Memphis, Tulane, and maybe Cincy.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
Rice to any of those leagues is total nonsense... Their present conference (cusa) is ideal for them, end of story.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
(12-10-2017 03:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

Alot of people are predicting (especially on the CUSA board) that the next AAC deal with collapse to CUSA levels in the next deal. In that kind of AAC worst case scenario I could see Houston and SMU grabbing Rice and creating a Texas based regional G5 that revives the SWC name. The base would be something like Houston, Rice, SMU, UTSA, Texas St, LaTech, Memphis, and ArkySt. Then, depending on how large you want to be, you fill in the edges with teams like Tulsa, S Miss, Tulane, ULL, Memphis, Tulane, and maybe Cincy.

The day Houston lower itself to a crappy gross of a conference would be the day I stopped caring for UH.
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RE: Rice to SEC, B10, PAC12, ACC
Houston might not be there for the new SWC as they could be in the Big 12 by then,
The new SWC should have Missouri State as part of the group.

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RE: Rice to P4
(12-09-2017 01:16 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice has made a great (FC) hire and is a perfect fit as a private school in one of the divisions in the current P4. Resources are there, and the footprint opens Texas to the B10, PAC12 or ACC. A Rice add to the SEC enhances the Texas footprint for the SEC and adds a second private for the conference.

Texas footprint without stepping on any established program’s toes!
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Arroz is not going anywhere except the boiling pot.
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RE: Rice to P4
(12-10-2017 04:42 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 03:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

Alot of people are predicting (especially on the CUSA board) that the next AAC deal with collapse to CUSA levels in the next deal. In that kind of AAC worst case scenario I could see Houston and SMU grabbing Rice and creating a Texas based regional G5 that revives the SWC name. The base would be something like Houston, Rice, SMU, UTSA, Texas St, LaTech, Memphis, and ArkySt. Then, depending on how large you want to be, you fill in the edges with teams like Tulsa, S Miss, Tulane, ULL, Memphis, Tulane, and maybe Cincy.

The day Houston lower itself to a crappy gross of a conference would be the day I stopped caring for UH.

To be fair, I said that’s a worst case scenario.
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Rice to P4
Baylor has more alumni in Houston than Rice does by around 50% so Rice's claim to add much impact to the tv market appeal for any of these leagues is questionable. The entire living alumni base can fit inside their 70,000 seat stadium when the tarps are taken down.

This is coming from someone who is a big fan of Rice when they aren't playing my Bears.
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(12-10-2017 04:36 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rice to any of those leagues is total nonsense... Their present conference (cusa) is ideal for them, end of story.

I think the Mountain West is their ideal conference. Associating with flagships (UNM, Nevada, Wyoming, Hawaii) and second tier schools of their respective state (CSU, SDSU, Fresno) plus an academy is better than the third tier the American created (ECU to Charlotte, UC to Miami, Kent, etc., Memphis to MTSU, USF/UCF to FAU/FIU and so on).
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