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RE: Rice to P4
They were already in a western based conference, they aren't doing it again unless the CFBP dollars come with it.
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RE: Rice to P4
(12-14-2017 01:38 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  They were already in a western based conference, they aren't doing it again unless the CFBP dollars come with it.

They applied, as did UTEP. But the MWC tabled it because the money wasn't there to make it work.

What I am saying is that like USM, they are not happy about being left behind in CUSA after Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU, UCF, Tulsa, and peer institution Tulane joined the AAC. (UAB is just glad to have FB back, dunno about Marchall's feelings). Have they warmed up to SBC and WAC schools that came in even though they are not peers like SMU, Tulsa and Tulane?
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RE: Rice to P4
So, you're saying there's a chance?
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RE: P4 and Houston market
Rice 470 wins
UH 433 wins
enough said
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 02:24 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice 470 wins
UH 433 wins
enough said
That’s not really a fair comparison , rice has been playing football a lot longer than Houston
But I agree with c2, rice just has to care, I see at least 3 rice fans on this board so some do care
I’d be happy to discuss this topic with anyone over a tap beer at the gingerman, heck I’ll even buy if you agree with me
Just say’n
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 07:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.

Interesting. The State of Texas lists Texas State San Marcos owning the name.

[Image: nWmVuji.jpg]
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 02:24 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice 470 wins
UH 433 wins
enough said

Rice: 471-606-32 (0.437)
Houston: 433-361-15 (0.545)

enough said 03-wink
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 07:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.

Interesting. The State of Texas lists Texas State San Marcos owning the name.

[Image: nWmVuji.jpg]

Clearly this means that Texas State is planning to create a new FBS conference. C-USA West will defect to this new Southwest Conference, which will also add New Mexico State, Sam Houston State, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State, UTRGV, and East Podunk University.
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(12-09-2017 02:58 PM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote:  If you can package yourself with Texas plus two more to the Pac that could work. Huge if, though.

If OU splits for the SEC along with little brother, and UT wants to join the Pac with 3 friends, the Houston market may have a chance to host a power conference team. However, it's more likely that UH would get that call than Rice.
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(01-16-2018 11:03 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.

Interesting. The State of Texas lists Texas State San Marcos owning the name.

[Image: nWmVuji.jpg]

Clearly this means that Texas State is planning to create a new FBS conference. C-USA West will defect to this new Southwest Conference, which will also add New Mexico State, Sam Houston State, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State, UTRGV, and East Podunk University.

A cunning plan they've kept under wraps since 2000.
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(01-16-2018 11:14 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 11:03 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.

Interesting. The State of Texas lists Texas State San Marcos owning the name.

[Image: nWmVuji.jpg]

Clearly this means that Texas State is planning to create a new FBS conference. C-USA West will defect to this new Southwest Conference, which will also add New Mexico State, Sam Houston State, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State, UTRGV, and East Podunk University.

A cunning plan they've kept under wraps since 2000.

That's called playing the long game. 03-wink
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 02:24 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice 470 wins
UH 433 wins
enough said

Rice has also lost almost twice as many games as Houston during the time it took to accumulate those wins.
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 07:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.

Interesting. The State of Texas lists Texas State San Marcos owning the name.

[Image: nWmVuji.jpg]

+3. Thanks! Ive heard that for years and have never seen it actually proven until today. 04-cheers
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RE: P4 and Houston market
(01-16-2018 02:24 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice 470 wins
UH 433 wins
enough said

Wins since 1946 (UH's 1st Season)

UH 433
Rice 309

enough said.......
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(01-16-2018 11:03 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:43 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 09:47 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  I understand it is Rice that retains the name and the dormant charter of the old Southwest Conference. If the B12 has more defections in a few years, revive the Southwest Conference with Rice being a part of it.

I've heard this tale before. But whenever I ask no one has been able to point to any credible source. I'll assume this is not true until I get strong confirmation.

Interesting. The State of Texas lists Texas State San Marcos owning the name.

[Image: nWmVuji.jpg]

Clearly this means that Texas State is planning to create a new FBS conference. C-USA West will defect to this new Southwest Conference, which will also add New Mexico State, Sam Houston State, West Texas A&M, Tarleton State, UTRGV, and East Podunk University.

LOL East Podunk...
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(01-16-2018 11:38 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 02:24 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Rice 470 wins
UH 433 wins
enough said

Rice has also lost almost twice as many games as Houston during the time it took to accumulate those wins.

Houston will only need about two decades to catch up. If not for the Helton-Dimel years where Rice actually gained some ground, all it would take is one decade.
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(12-10-2017 03:19 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The most similar school in term of enrollment is Wake Forest. In terms of endowment and resources only Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Notre Dame in FBS have more financial power. They rank even ahead of USC, Vandy, and Miami.

The enrollment argument has some validity. They probably need another 1,000 undergrads to sustain a top level FBS program. Overall they look like a 'tweener. More resources than any G5, but not the size needed for P5.

Rice has the academic pedigree in spades. It's a great school. My children go to one of the top public high schools in the Houston area, and Rice isn't even on the radar for most students there. It's that good.

The reputation of the other large private schools in Texas is "rich". Rice's reputation is "smart". (But, there are plenty of smart people at the other TX private schools, and Rice isn't cheap at all) With its small size, small alumni base, and exclusivity, there's not as much of a connection with the general population.

However, if Rice invested HUGE money into athletics, they could, in a best-case scenario, be a Northwestern. Northwestern markets itself as "Chicago's Big Ten Team". Rice could market itself as "Houston's (insert P5 conference) Team". That is, if they could get a P5 conference to look at them. At this point, after the most recent B12 dog and pony show, P5 conferences are as likely to contract than to expand outside the P5.

As it stands now, U of H is much closer to P5 status than Rice.
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(01-16-2018 07:50 PM)johnintx Wrote:  
(12-10-2017 03:19 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The most similar school in term of enrollment is Wake Forest. In terms of endowment and resources only Stanford, Northwestern, Duke, Notre Dame in FBS have more financial power. They rank even ahead of USC, Vandy, and Miami.

The enrollment argument has some validity. They probably need another 1,000 undergrads to sustain a top level FBS program. Overall they look like a 'tweener. More resources than any G5, but not the size needed for P5.

Rice has the academic pedigree in spades. It's a great school. My children go to one of the top public high schools in the Houston area, and Rice isn't even on the radar for most students there. It's that good.

The reputation of the other large private schools in Texas is "rich". Rice's reputation is "smart". (But, there are plenty of smart people at the other TX private schools, and Rice isn't cheap at all) With its small size, small alumni base, and exclusivity, there's not as much of a connection with the general population.

However, if Rice invested HUGE money into athletics, they could, in a best-case scenario, be a Northwestern. Northwestern markets itself as "Chicago's Big Ten Team". Rice could market itself as "Houston's (insert P5 conference) Team". That is, if they could get a P5 conference to look at them. At this point, after the most recent B12 dog and pony show, P5 conferences are as likely to contract than to expand outside the P5.

As it stands now, U of H is much closer to P5 status than Rice.

Rice was in a major conference for 80 years, until 1995. They have all the resources in the world to be a Northwestern or a Vanderbilt in the Big 12.

They just have to want to do it, and as others in this thread have said, Rice just isn't interested in investing in their athletics.
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Add them tomorrow. With the gauntlet that is Big 12 basketball, would be nice for an easy game every once in a while.
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