I would guess he asked out of his scholarship because he wasn't going to be in the rotation. All these kids have NBA aspirations and they immediately panic if they're not where they think they should be. Instant gratification syndrome. Wright-Foreman didn't really play as a freshman and things worked out pretty well for him. Hicklin would have played possibly had he stayed on last year, but now he's playing D-2, right?

Given the composition of the team, I hope they can still add a big for depth going forward.

'19-'20 roster updated... https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PaltryDelightf...ricted.gif

Fowler not listed, FWIW. So, I guess that's a done deal.

In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

relying on Dukeman for insight on Dukes hoops, now that is comical

it was revealed to me in confidence and I believe there should be some level of privacy for the players and coaches. I will say this, it wasnt a legal violation, team rules or ability. I will leave it at this, personal circumstances made it so that Fowler was unable to play for us.

it other news, xmas, Wooden and Ritchey have all lived up to, or exceeded expectations. keep zzzzzzzz CAA and haters.

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

(07-15-2019 09:24 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

relying on Dukeman for insight on Dukes hoops, now that is comical

it was revealed to me in confidence and I believe there should be some level of privacy for the players and coaches. I will say this, it wasnt a legal violation, team rules or ability. I will leave it at this, personal circumstances made it so that Fowler was unable to play for us.

it other news, xmas, Wooden and Ritchey have all lived up to, or exceeded expectations. keep zzzzzzzz CAA and haters.

Hate to see stuff like this keep a kid from going to a school/team that he wanted to go to. Hopefully he is able to find a new landing spot and keep doing what he loves. And who knows, maybe we'll see him transfer back in when the situation has resolved itself. Best of luck to him.

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

(07-15-2019 09:24 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

relying on Dukeman for insight on Dukes hoops, now that is comical

it was revealed to me in confidence and I believe there should be some level of privacy for the players and coaches. I will say this, it wasnt a legal violation, team rules or ability. I will leave it at this, personal circumstances made it so that Fowler was unable to play for us.

it other news, xmas, Wooden and Ritchey have all lived up to, or exceeded expectations. keep zzzzzzzz CAA and haters.

Thanks for sharing this additional tidbit to fill out your initial statement.

As for Dukeman2, his half thoughts or open ended statements can be interesting without someone having to decide if they are right or wrong. As Cent or someone else already wrote, we won't know how he would have stacked up and rankings at this level (and really any) are hit or miss.

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

That scenario, one we are all rooting for, would be a real shot in the arm. Add in the upgraded schedule for 2020-21 too. Really wasn't able to wow potential recruits with OOC opponents from previous years.

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

And then imagine if we become the Gonzaga of the east. At that point we will have our pick many FBS conferences. Certainly would make us more attractive to the AAC.

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

And then imagine if we become the Gonzaga of the east. At that point we will have our pick many FBS conferences. Certainly would make us more attractive to the AAC.

(07-16-2019 02:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

And then imagine if we become the Gonzaga of the east. At that point we will have our pick many FBS conferences. Certainly would make us more attractive to the AAC.

at that point, why settle. the ACC is a way better fit.

I am always optimistic. At least until I see us blow a pick and roll from 25 feet away from the basket and give up a dunk and then chuck up some bad shots. Maybe all we need is experience and depth. Please let it be so.

I did drive by the new arena Saturday. It is going to be a great venue. It looks tight and steep.

(07-16-2019 03:46 PM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 02:28 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

And then imagine if we become the Gonzaga of the east. At that point we will have our pick many FBS conferences. Certainly would make us more attractive to the AAC.

at that point, why settle. the ACC is a way better fit.

I was trying to not get overly optimistic.

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 08:49 AM)Bawlmer Duke Wrote:  In another thread someone wrote that they knew or know something of why the kid left already. Not sure why they don't just share. Message boards are comical.

Dukeman2 has an interesting point that Fowler was ranked lower in NC than Hicklin who ran out after a cup of coffee to D2.

Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

Talent level won't matter when the team is getting out coached again on a consistent basis.

(07-17-2019 08:49 AM)JacksonHall Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 11:11 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-16-2019 08:38 AM)PGJMU2 Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 11:23 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 09:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Im not hung up on rankings. Quality of a recruit will eventually speak for itself on the court. Elon had a freshman starter last year that was ranked 30 spots behind hicklin. Im sure there are people that are ranked above him that will flame out or end up being a total bust.

Maybe mike would have been great, maybe he would have been a bust. Who knows, but pulling out his ranking in state on some website isnt really convincing either way.

I am in the same boat. I Pay zero attention to rankings, highlight videos, stars, etc. Once they step on campus it is time to start paying attention to what each player can bring to the team and it doesn’t take long to evaluate the potential contributors.

like anything, the rankings can be useful, but are one data point. they are useful in the context of additional information. other offers, their AAU team, the caliber of their HS team. we can all site plenty of examples of those players that far exceeded or came up short of their rankings. these are 16,17 & 18 year old kids who are in various states of maturation and growth and that makes it hard to project how they will perform as college players. at the mid-major level, you are getting those players that are usually less physically mature and skilled but can blossom with experience. which makes the P5 poaching of those players so frustrating. heck, even the NBA drafts on potential and upside. from what i have seen, Lou has been better than most at identifying talent, i will take his evaluation over dm2s

Imagine how good Lou’s Recruiting will be if the team turns the corner this year and makes a run to the NCAA tourney and then ushers in a new arena next year. With on court success Lou could land 3 star recruits with regularity and even the occasional 4 star. That among other reasons (because I’m a fan of JMU) is why I’m rooting. The guy can relate to young men and that’s without a track record.

Talent level won't matter when the team is getting out coached again on a consistent basis.

Maybe GOAT HCLR spent a few bucks buying basketball coaching books from Amazon on Prime Day. Save the negativity/realism for December. Right now, it's the off-season aka Unbridled Optimism Season.

GOAT HCLR doesn’t need to buy books that he wrote.

do we have an open scholarship?? I wonder if we pocket it for midseason or if we wait til next season to fill it