(12-14-2017 06:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I'm really starting to think we have several "too dumb to understand context" posters in this thread.........

I’m not sure you’d find one Memphis fan that would happy with the state of our program. But, instead of whining, just what do you think anyone here can do about it? I seriously doubt anyone one of us can pay his buyout.

Obviously, low attendance and poor basketball will get the attention of those that make the decisions. If you want a change to take place, I suggest that you may want to stop buying tickets, stop donating to TSF, etc.

We all know the program has cratered. It’s been going on for awhile. Historically, Tubby has been able to get his team to the tourney in three years. Unless he signs some good players, it looks doubtful that he can do it here.

I simply choose to support the program. I like this team, even if they aren’t incredibly talented. We could easily be 3-6 instead of 7-2. Look, I know that we have struggled against schools that we should dominate, but the team never quits. I don’t think I could say that last year.

Go ahead and whine if you choose.

Oblivious fans like you heavily contributed to Paz being here for at least a year longer than he should have been. The state 9f the program is as much your fault as anyone's.

It’s amazing that some of these people are madder at the messenger than the CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM THAG THEY ARE ADMITTING EXISTS

(12-14-2017 06:19 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 05:54 PM)herkermer Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 12:33 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 10:56 AM)herkermer Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 10:43 AM)mairving Wrote:  Basically just said that he could have written the column and he's been saying the same stuff all year.

Yep. Typical me me me I I I GP bit... He is a shameless self promoter. Cant argue with the results, he has huge ratings. Cant argue with the fact that hes a pompous, arrogant little know it all doosh either. I also agree with his assessment... sadly.

Yep. For me, he's simply someone I just can't listen to.

He called me out by name on his show... called me an idiot. Basically he said “no one” would be at memphis madness, and that the building would be “mostly empty”. When we had what I thought was a decent turnout, i called him out on his FB page. He said “by definition anything less than 9000 in an 18000 seat arena is “mostly empty”. He went on a rant on his show and i was the idiot.
Guess i showed him... maybe had something to do with me calling him a “little liberal leprechaun”.

+3

Oh, appearance smack.

Herk needs to submit a pic so we can judge his Robert Redford-ness.

(12-14-2017 07:07 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 05:47 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:26 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:56 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:00 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Thanks for the transcription. Parrish doesn't like 'Tubby ball' if you want to call it that. No matter the results, he wouldn't like it. Not his style and not something that is easy to write articles about because Tubby is not a media friendly coach.

I like 'Tubby ball'. By Tubby ball I mean the four year guys built up over time. I don't care too much about the big splash recruiting drama, don't follow any of that on twitter, look at rankings, etc.

That said, there are plenty of coaches who play 'Tubby ball'. We could have hired a better one IMO. We have Tubby tho, and I'd love for it to work. I'm a long term thinker by nature. I know I'm in the minority, and I'm not trying to change opinions.

Parrish is crapping all over Tubby. Been doing it -by his own admission - even before this season started. I don't care for it. It's lazy IMO. Write an article about the strengths and weaknesses of the team maybe? Or just throw a bunch of gas on the fire when it's good and hot and there are lots of eager faces looking to see how big the flames can get.

Final point - When we fire Tubby and go with a guy more like what everyone wants, I'll get on board with that. I just like this way better. It suits my style.

True, there are numerous coaches, some with less experience than Tubby, that are winning at NCAAT with 3 and 4 year guys and without the 5* splash ala, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas. GP actually named coaches who have a reputation of recruiting the "right way" that still land solid 3 and 4*s. He specifically mentioned Michigan, Wisconsin, UVA yesterday. There are also schools that hired new coaches the exact same time as Memphis hired Tubby. He's mentioned the recruiting wins by the staffs at Vandy, TCU, UNLV, hell even GaTech whose programs were all worse off than Memphis but have somehow been competitive and signed good recruiting classes.

GP is a lot of things, but lazy is not one of them. He has been "crapping" on Tubby because Tubby has run off 3 Top 100 players, demoted a coach that has more Top 20 players in his immediate family than Tubby has signed in the last decade. That's fine if you want to "do it your way", but when you run off "problem" talent, you better replace it with something. You and your staff better be working your ass off to land Top 30 recruiting classes considering the resources at your disposal. This staff was beaten out on the recruiting trail by Ouchita Baptist for heavens sake!! I don't know what's worse, the fact that our staff actually offered a kid who's only other offers were D-3, or that we LOST A RECRUITING BATTLE TO OUCHITA BAPTIST.

The real question is who in the hell thought this would be a good hire to begin with? 65 years old, had won 1 NCAAT game in a decade, who's average recruiting class was ranked in the 60s-70s and we wonder why we have the results we have. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to know how this was going to turn out.

Parrish worked hard on this? Look, it’s plain to anyone remotely associated with the program that we are in decline. Have been for years. Pastner poisoned the well locally. Memphis kids don’t want to come here anymore. Word gets out. Look at his transfers. He signs the Lawson’s because they hired their dad. They would have went elsewhere if he didn’t pay daddy.

Tubby has done nothing to improve this. Kids still don’t want to come here. No one cares about the good years (Calipari).

You mention the Matt Stanley deal. I’m not sure if he was offered, but my guess is that he was. Regardless, the kid totally backed off once he became torched publicly. Commercial appeal article, talk radio. Why would he come here after that? Add that to the fact that Memphis most likely pulled their offer.

I could care less about the Lawson’s. Those guys enjoyed sticking it to Tubby and the program. Blamed his son giving us the middle finger on fans calling him a (inset N word) during games. How about Dedric punching some dude in the face at Kansas? KJ’s classy recording? Dedric running out on his Bar Louie tab (which turned out to be a misunderstanding, lol). This family is a piece of work and I’m glad to see them gone. If they were here, what would they be trying to extort out of the university now?

Tubby has had his share of failures, but getting rid of these losers isn’t one of them.

The Lawsons "stuck it to Tubby" because he demoted their State Championship winning coach and father to hire his dead weight son. I don't think it is extortion to expect the job you were promised. Again, Keelon has more Top 30 players in his immediate family than Tubby has landed in a decade.

Hiring relatives/AAU coaches/high school coaches/play cousins is not against NCAA rules and this happens all the time. Ever hear of Ronnie and Mario Chalmers?? Interesting that Ronnie resigned his position on the Kansas staff 4 months after Mario hit his famous shot in San Antonio.

Question, where does cheating on a National College Entrance exam, making it rain at the Plush Club, inciting a riot on Beale Street, hitting girl friends/baby momma's, Faux Fur Coat Gate, soliciting prostitutes, and theft of Goldsmith's gift cards rank in your morality barometer vs flipping the bird and walking on a bar tab? Do you harbor this much hate for Derrick Rose, Joey Dorsey, Jeremy Hunt, Robert Dozier, Clyde Wade, and Andre Allen as the Lawsons?

You are talking about the antics of about 10 years of Memphis history by a litany of players. I’m talking about one family that stayed here a few years. Also, the antics you mentioned also came from teams that at least played at a high level. The Lawson’s never got us 20 wins.

I watched Keelons 12U team get it handed to them last week. Where are his other offers? He looked out of his league in 12U basketball!

Try a 4-5 year history. So, it's okay to commit actual crimes as long as the team is winning big, but not okay to flip someone the bird if it isn't?

Guess 1 12U game holds more weight than the High School State Championship he won. Must be fun living in an alternate universe.

Honestly, it’s getting harder and harder for me to take seriously anything that Parrish says or writes. Street Corner Clown.

(12-14-2017 07:38 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I'm really starting to think we have several "too dumb to understand context" posters in this thread.........

I’m not sure you’d find one Memphis fan that would happy with the state of our program. But, instead of whining, just what do you think anyone here can do about it? I seriously doubt anyone one of us can pay his buyout.

Obviously, low attendance and poor basketball will get the attention of those that make the decisions. If you want a change to take place, I suggest that you may want to stop buying tickets, stop donating to TSF, etc.

We all know the program has cratered. It’s been going on for awhile. Historically, Tubby has been able to get his team to the tourney in three years. Unless he signs some good players, it looks doubtful that he can do it here.

I simply choose to support the program. I like this team, even if they aren’t incredibly talented. We could easily be 3-6 instead of 7-2. Look, I know that we have struggled against schools that we should dominate, but the team never quits. I don’t think I could say that last year.

Go ahead and whine if you choose.

Oblivious fans like you heavily contributed to Paz being here for at least a year longer than he should have been. The state 9f the program is as much your fault as anyone's.

Because I go to games?

I’ve gotta say that’s a really stupid thought...

(12-14-2017 06:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  He may be a hard worker, hell I don't know him, but pouring gas on a fire is not hard work. That's what this seemed like to me.

Have you bothered to read the transcript yet or are you still just running your mouth?

Read the whole thing.

(12-14-2017 08:17 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 07:07 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 05:47 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:26 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:56 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  True, there are numerous coaches, some with less experience than Tubby, that are winning at NCAAT with 3 and 4 year guys and without the 5* splash ala, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas. GP actually named coaches who have a reputation of recruiting the "right way" that still land solid 3 and 4*s. He specifically mentioned Michigan, Wisconsin, UVA yesterday. There are also schools that hired new coaches the exact same time as Memphis hired Tubby. He's mentioned the recruiting wins by the staffs at Vandy, TCU, UNLV, hell even GaTech whose programs were all worse off than Memphis but have somehow been competitive and signed good recruiting classes.

GP is a lot of things, but lazy is not one of them. He has been "crapping" on Tubby because Tubby has run off 3 Top 100 players, demoted a coach that has more Top 20 players in his immediate family than Tubby has signed in the last decade. That's fine if you want to "do it your way", but when you run off "problem" talent, you better replace it with something. You and your staff better be working your ass off to land Top 30 recruiting classes considering the resources at your disposal. This staff was beaten out on the recruiting trail by Ouchita Baptist for heavens sake!! I don't know what's worse, the fact that our staff actually offered a kid who's only other offers were D-3, or that we LOST A RECRUITING BATTLE TO OUCHITA BAPTIST.

The real question is who in the hell thought this would be a good hire to begin with? 65 years old, had won 1 NCAAT game in a decade, who's average recruiting class was ranked in the 60s-70s and we wonder why we have the results we have. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to know how this was going to turn out.

Parrish worked hard on this? Look, it’s plain to anyone remotely associated with the program that we are in decline. Have been for years. Pastner poisoned the well locally. Memphis kids don’t want to come here anymore. Word gets out. Look at his transfers. He signs the Lawson’s because they hired their dad. They would have went elsewhere if he didn’t pay daddy.

Tubby has done nothing to improve this. Kids still don’t want to come here. No one cares about the good years (Calipari).

You mention the Matt Stanley deal. I’m not sure if he was offered, but my guess is that he was. Regardless, the kid totally backed off once he became torched publicly. Commercial appeal article, talk radio. Why would he come here after that? Add that to the fact that Memphis most likely pulled their offer.

I could care less about the Lawson’s. Those guys enjoyed sticking it to Tubby and the program. Blamed his son giving us the middle finger on fans calling him a (inset N word) during games. How about Dedric punching some dude in the face at Kansas? KJ’s classy recording? Dedric running out on his Bar Louie tab (which turned out to be a misunderstanding, lol). This family is a piece of work and I’m glad to see them gone. If they were here, what would they be trying to extort out of the university now?

Tubby has had his share of failures, but getting rid of these losers isn’t one of them.

The Lawsons "stuck it to Tubby" because he demoted their State Championship winning coach and father to hire his dead weight son. I don't think it is extortion to expect the job you were promised. Again, Keelon has more Top 30 players in his immediate family than Tubby has landed in a decade.

Hiring relatives/AAU coaches/high school coaches/play cousins is not against NCAA rules and this happens all the time. Ever hear of Ronnie and Mario Chalmers?? Interesting that Ronnie resigned his position on the Kansas staff 4 months after Mario hit his famous shot in San Antonio.

Question, where does cheating on a National College Entrance exam, making it rain at the Plush Club, inciting a riot on Beale Street, hitting girl friends/baby momma's, Faux Fur Coat Gate, soliciting prostitutes, and theft of Goldsmith's gift cards rank in your morality barometer vs flipping the bird and walking on a bar tab? Do you harbor this much hate for Derrick Rose, Joey Dorsey, Jeremy Hunt, Robert Dozier, Clyde Wade, and Andre Allen as the Lawsons?

You are talking about the antics of about 10 years of Memphis history by a litany of players. I’m talking about one family that stayed here a few years. Also, the antics you mentioned also came from teams that at least played at a high level. The Lawson’s never got us 20 wins.

I watched Keelons 12U team get it handed to them last week. Where are his other offers? He looked out of his league in 12U basketball!

Try a 4-5 year history. So, it's okay to commit actual crimes as long as the team is winning big, but not okay to flip someone the bird if it isn't?

Guess 1 12U game holds more weight than the High School State Championship he won. Must be fun living in an alternate universe.

Check your history pal. These were dumb acts committed by several different players over several years. And you want to compare that to one family’s bafoonery?

So where are all of Keelon’s job offers? Terminix?? Lol!!

It is foolish to act like the Lawson's did something wrong.

If anything their REACTION to a bad Tubby created situation was less than ideal.

But they didn't screw anybody over.

Tubby on the other hand has and will continue to screw over the entire fanbase.

(12-14-2017 08:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 07:38 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I'm really starting to think we have several "too dumb to understand context" posters in this thread.........

I’m not sure you’d find one Memphis fan that would happy with the state of our program. But, instead of whining, just what do you think anyone here can do about it? I seriously doubt anyone one of us can pay his buyout.

Obviously, low attendance and poor basketball will get the attention of those that make the decisions. If you want a change to take place, I suggest that you may want to stop buying tickets, stop donating to TSF, etc.

We all know the program has cratered. It’s been going on for awhile. Historically, Tubby has been able to get his team to the tourney in three years. Unless he signs some good players, it looks doubtful that he can do it here.

I simply choose to support the program. I like this team, even if they aren’t incredibly talented. We could easily be 3-6 instead of 7-2. Look, I know that we have struggled against schools that we should dominate, but the team never quits. I don’t think I could say that last year.

Go ahead and whine if you choose.

Oblivious fans like you heavily contributed to Paz being here for at least a year longer than he should have been. The state 9f the program is as much your fault as anyone's.

Because I go to games?

I’ve gotta say that’s a really stupid thought...

No because you coach worship whoever has the job.

(12-14-2017 08:28 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:17 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:31 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  He may be a hard worker, hell I don't know him, but pouring gas on a fire is not hard work. That's what this seemed like to me.

Have you bothered to read the transcript yet or are you still just running your mouth?

Read the whole thing.

Interesting.....

(12-14-2017 08:42 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 08:17 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 07:07 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 05:47 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:26 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Parrish worked hard on this? Look, it’s plain to anyone remotely associated with the program that we are in decline. Have been for years. Pastner poisoned the well locally. Memphis kids don’t want to come here anymore. Word gets out. Look at his transfers. He signs the Lawson’s because they hired their dad. They would have went elsewhere if he didn’t pay daddy.

Tubby has done nothing to improve this. Kids still don’t want to come here. No one cares about the good years (Calipari).

You mention the Matt Stanley deal. I’m not sure if he was offered, but my guess is that he was. Regardless, the kid totally backed off once he became torched publicly. Commercial appeal article, talk radio. Why would he come here after that? Add that to the fact that Memphis most likely pulled their offer.

I could care less about the Lawson’s. Those guys enjoyed sticking it to Tubby and the program. Blamed his son giving us the middle finger on fans calling him a (inset N word) during games. How about Dedric punching some dude in the face at Kansas? KJ’s classy recording? Dedric running out on his Bar Louie tab (which turned out to be a misunderstanding, lol). This family is a piece of work and I’m glad to see them gone. If they were here, what would they be trying to extort out of the university now?

Tubby has had his share of failures, but getting rid of these losers isn’t one of them.

The Lawsons "stuck it to Tubby" because he demoted their State Championship winning coach and father to hire his dead weight son. I don't think it is extortion to expect the job you were promised. Again, Keelon has more Top 30 players in his immediate family than Tubby has landed in a decade.

Hiring relatives/AAU coaches/high school coaches/play cousins is not against NCAA rules and this happens all the time. Ever hear of Ronnie and Mario Chalmers?? Interesting that Ronnie resigned his position on the Kansas staff 4 months after Mario hit his famous shot in San Antonio.

Question, where does cheating on a National College Entrance exam, making it rain at the Plush Club, inciting a riot on Beale Street, hitting girl friends/baby momma's, Faux Fur Coat Gate, soliciting prostitutes, and theft of Goldsmith's gift cards rank in your morality barometer vs flipping the bird and walking on a bar tab? Do you harbor this much hate for Derrick Rose, Joey Dorsey, Jeremy Hunt, Robert Dozier, Clyde Wade, and Andre Allen as the Lawsons?

You are talking about the antics of about 10 years of Memphis history by a litany of players. I’m talking about one family that stayed here a few years. Also, the antics you mentioned also came from teams that at least played at a high level. The Lawson’s never got us 20 wins.

I watched Keelons 12U team get it handed to them last week. Where are his other offers? He looked out of his league in 12U basketball!

Try a 4-5 year history. So, it's okay to commit actual crimes as long as the team is winning big, but not okay to flip someone the bird if it isn't?

Guess 1 12U game holds more weight than the High School State Championship he won. Must be fun living in an alternate universe.

Check your history pal. These were dumb acts committed by several different players over several years. And you want to compare that to one family’s bafoonery?

So where are all of Keelon’s job offers? Terminix?? Lol!!

I'm quite accurate on my history checking. Most of the "dumb acts" that you refer to are what the majority of people and the police call crimes. These occurred from 2005-2008.

Last time I checked, flipping someone the bird isn't illegal. Telling your former coach to F-off after he created this S**it storm by demoting your father isn't illegal either.

I'll take bafoonery over criminality every day.

Keelon's next job offer will probably come sometime around 2018-2019. Some other program will hire him in order to secure the next 2 brothers. It's called working the system and common sense.

If the head coach that makes $3 million can't manage his program and refuses to do what it takes to do deliver a Top 25 level team, he should just go coach on the D-2 or high school level where such "headaches" don't exist.

(12-14-2017 10:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 08:25 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 07:38 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:58 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 06:21 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  I'm really starting to think we have several "too dumb to understand context" posters in this thread.........

I’m not sure you’d find one Memphis fan that would happy with the state of our program. But, instead of whining, just what do you think anyone here can do about it? I seriously doubt anyone one of us can pay his buyout.

Obviously, low attendance and poor basketball will get the attention of those that make the decisions. If you want a change to take place, I suggest that you may want to stop buying tickets, stop donating to TSF, etc.

We all know the program has cratered. It’s been going on for awhile. Historically, Tubby has been able to get his team to the tourney in three years. Unless he signs some good players, it looks doubtful that he can do it here.

I simply choose to support the program. I like this team, even if they aren’t incredibly talented. We could easily be 3-6 instead of 7-2. Look, I know that we have struggled against schools that we should dominate, but the team never quits. I don’t think I could say that last year.

Go ahead and whine if you choose.

Oblivious fans like you heavily contributed to Paz being here for at least a year longer than he should have been. The state 9f the program is as much your fault as anyone's.

Because I go to games?

I’ve gotta say that’s a really stupid thought...

No because you coach worship whoever has the job.

You should check out the facebook Tiger bball group.

They make Org posters look not only sane but intelligent.

(12-14-2017 03:48 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:37 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  You're welcome.

My only counter to you're liking Tubby Ball is that Tubby isn't doing Tubby ball.

Instead of LOADING up on frosh this past 2017 class (and maybe a traditional sit-a-year transfer) he went the 2-yr player route. I would have cut him a lot more slack had he just done that instead.

That is the antithesis of "building" a team with four year players.

He could have added a bunch in 2016, too. There are always kids out there in April/May that could become decent 4-year players. Hell, we had 5 open schollies last year.

Memphis will likely have huge turnover in 2019--losing at least six guys, which will require a hard reset. Is that when "Tubbyball" will actually commence? If so, that means his plan won't come to fruition until year six, even though he's only under contract for 5 years.

Please tell me about all of these top freshmen that were available after the team imploded? Not alot left in April, and those that are have dozens of offers from high end programs.

Some of your other criticisms are valid, but I think he did a great job fielding a team after things blew up. I think Tubby should have shown this same energy after he was hired, a couple of Davenport type guys could have added depth to that team.

Telly me where is wanted "top freshmen?"

In fact, you are just trying to pick a nit, because in my "want" above all I looked for was "decent 4-year players."

And that brings me to just one more critique of this staff: they don't work 24/7.

At Tech, they only had two spots open for 2016, Clergeot and some JUCO guy filled the spots in the early period. Apparently, at that point, Tubby and staff dusted their hands off and took the rest of the year off from recruiting. Because when they came to Memphis, they had absolutely no recruits go after besides the one they stole from their old school.

The same problem this year. They get the three in the early period, get in on a couple JUCO's but then have no other connections and leads for frosh once 65% of the team suddenly leaves. They should never have that issue.

I'm sure there was a Vanover type (300+ recruit) available in 2016. Hell, I'm sure we can look at Hoopdreams old recruiting thread where he did more work than the staff to bring up names of available players.

And Tubby absolutely did go on a two week vacation when he got the job; NOT to be confused with the 2 year vacation he has been on. He actually went on vacation with the clock ticking big time and scholarships galore available.

Quote:He was somewhat under the radar shortly after taking the job, he said, to honor a vacation commitment he’d had been postponing for several years. When he returned, it was back to restoring a roster that had only seven scholarship players.

What kind of a coach or a human being who is hired at twice his salary, with barely enough players to field a team, in good conscience takes a two week vacation? This, hiring Saul and his famous "Memphis isn't what it used to be 10 years ago" comment should have told anyone who had a doubt what kind of a lazy has been Tubby is.

None of that would have mattered, if he had not been blindsided by the Lawsons. They should have stayed and showed some loyalty to Tubby and the city. Their exit was planned to cause maximum damage to the program. Same as when Austin Nichols left in the middle of the summer after the recruiting season was over. That is why you only recruit role players from Memphis.

You are blaming him taking a vacation when he was hired on being blindsided by the Lawsons?

(12-14-2017 07:07 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 05:47 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 04:26 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:56 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:00 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Thanks for the transcription. Parrish doesn't like 'Tubby ball' if you want to call it that. No matter the results, he wouldn't like it. Not his style and not something that is easy to write articles about because Tubby is not a media friendly coach.

I like 'Tubby ball'. By Tubby ball I mean the four year guys built up over time. I don't care too much about the big splash recruiting drama, don't follow any of that on twitter, look at rankings, etc.

That said, there are plenty of coaches who play 'Tubby ball'. We could have hired a better one IMO. We have Tubby tho, and I'd love for it to work. I'm a long term thinker by nature. I know I'm in the minority, and I'm not trying to change opinions.

Parrish is crapping all over Tubby. Been doing it -by his own admission - even before this season started. I don't care for it. It's lazy IMO. Write an article about the strengths and weaknesses of the team maybe? Or just throw a bunch of gas on the fire when it's good and hot and there are lots of eager faces looking to see how big the flames can get.

Final point - When we fire Tubby and go with a guy more like what everyone wants, I'll get on board with that. I just like this way better. It suits my style.

True, there are numerous coaches, some with less experience than Tubby, that are winning at NCAAT with 3 and 4 year guys and without the 5* splash ala, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas. GP actually named coaches who have a reputation of recruiting the "right way" that still land solid 3 and 4*s. He specifically mentioned Michigan, Wisconsin, UVA yesterday. There are also schools that hired new coaches the exact same time as Memphis hired Tubby. He's mentioned the recruiting wins by the staffs at Vandy, TCU, UNLV, hell even GaTech whose programs were all worse off than Memphis but have somehow been competitive and signed good recruiting classes.

GP is a lot of things, but lazy is not one of them. He has been "crapping" on Tubby because Tubby has run off 3 Top 100 players, demoted a coach that has more Top 20 players in his immediate family than Tubby has signed in the last decade. That's fine if you want to "do it your way", but when you run off "problem" talent, you better replace it with something. You and your staff better be working your ass off to land Top 30 recruiting classes considering the resources at your disposal. This staff was beaten out on the recruiting trail by Ouchita Baptist for heavens sake!! I don't know what's worse, the fact that our staff actually offered a kid who's only other offers were D-3, or that we LOST A RECRUITING BATTLE TO OUCHITA BAPTIST.

The real question is who in the hell thought this would be a good hire to begin with? 65 years old, had won 1 NCAAT game in a decade, who's average recruiting class was ranked in the 60s-70s and we wonder why we have the results we have. You didn't have to be Nostradamus to know how this was going to turn out.

Parrish worked hard on this? Look, it’s plain to anyone remotely associated with the program that we are in decline. Have been for years. Pastner poisoned the well locally. Memphis kids don’t want to come here anymore. Word gets out. Look at his transfers. He signs the Lawson’s because they hired their dad. They would have went elsewhere if he didn’t pay daddy.

Tubby has done nothing to improve this. Kids still don’t want to come here. No one cares about the good years (Calipari).

You mention the Matt Stanley deal. I’m not sure if he was offered, but my guess is that he was. Regardless, the kid totally backed off once he became torched publicly. Commercial appeal article, talk radio. Why would he come here after that? Add that to the fact that Memphis most likely pulled their offer.

I could care less about the Lawson’s. Those guys enjoyed sticking it to Tubby and the program. Blamed his son giving us the middle finger on fans calling him a (inset N word) during games. How about Dedric punching some dude in the face at Kansas? KJ’s classy recording? Dedric running out on his Bar Louie tab (which turned out to be a misunderstanding, lol). This family is a piece of work and I’m glad to see them gone. If they were here, what would they be trying to extort out of the university now?

Tubby has had his share of failures, but getting rid of these losers isn’t one of them.

The Lawsons "stuck it to Tubby" because he demoted their State Championship winning coach and father to hire his dead weight son. I don't think it is extortion to expect the job you were promised. Again, Keelon has more Top 30 players in his immediate family than Tubby has landed in a decade.

Hiring relatives/AAU coaches/high school coaches/play cousins is not against NCAA rules and this happens all the time. Ever hear of Ronnie and Mario Chalmers?? Interesting that Ronnie resigned his position on the Kansas staff 4 months after Mario hit his famous shot in San Antonio.

Question, where does cheating on a National College Entrance exam, making it rain at the Plush Club, inciting a riot on Beale Street, hitting girl friends/baby momma's, Faux Fur Coat Gate, soliciting prostitutes, and theft of Goldsmith's gift cards rank in your morality barometer vs flipping the bird and walking on a bar tab? Do you harbor this much hate for Derrick Rose, Joey Dorsey, Jeremy Hunt, Robert Dozier, Clyde Wade, and Andre Allen as the Lawsons?

You are talking about the antics of about 10 years of Memphis history by a litany of players. I’m talking about one family that stayed here a few years. Also, the antics you mentioned also came from teams that at least played at a high level. The Lawson’s never got us 20 wins.

I watched Keelons 12U team get it handed to them last week. Where are his other offers? He looked out of his league in 12U basketball!

I'm watching Tubby's teams get pummelled at the end of last year, get pummelled by UAB, get beaten handily by Alabama when they are missing half their team and the refs call fouls on them every 20 seconds, and barely beating the bottom of the barrel of NCAA basketball.

Quote:I watched Keelons 12U team get it handed to them last week. Where are his other offers?

I watched Keelon bring Dedric and KJ knowing that he had a direct line to other recruits ranked literally 150 spots higher than any of Tubby's recruits. What have you watched Saul, Pooh, Esposito and Tubby do?

(12-14-2017 09:23 PM)jamammy Wrote:  It is foolish to act like the Lawson's did something wrong.

If anything their REACTION to a bad Tubby created situation was less than ideal.

But they didn't screw anybody over.

Tubby on the other hand has and will continue to screw over the entire fanbase.

IMO, the ones getting screwed over are the ones paying Tubby's salary. We - as fans - are in the unfortunate position of having to watch the results of the screwing.

It is what it is. Changes wont be made until March at the earliest

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Fun fact...By name and pronoun mentions in the transcript:

Seth - 5 times
Pastner - 7 times
Tubby - 4 times
GP himself - 43 times (give or take a dozen, it becomes difficult)

(12-15-2017 01:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Fun fact...By name and pronoun mentions in the transcript:

Seth - 5 times
Pastner - 7 times
Tubby - 4 times
GP himself - 43 times (give or take a dozen, it becomes difficult)

My God, '87, that is brilliant. +3. Nobody loves GP as much as GP loves GP.

(12-14-2017 04:26 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 03:56 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  This staff was beaten out on the recruiting trail by Ouchita Baptist for heavens sake!! I don't know what's worse, the fact that our staff actually offered a kid who's only other offers were D-3, or that we LOST A RECRUITING BATTLE TO OUCHITA BAPTIST.

You mention the Matt Stanley deal. I’m not sure if he was offered, but my guess is that he was. Regardless, the kid totally backed off once he became torched publicly. Commercial appeal article, talk radio. Why would he come here after that? Add that to the fact that Memphis most likely pulled their offer.

Last I checked, dude was busting a trey. Hitting 50% for OBU.