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(12-23-2017 12:17 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:06 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:00 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 11:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 11:16 PM)757ODU Wrote:  All of them? I don't know man. You'll find a rainbow in the devil's a**. This season wasn't good enough from the coaching. Take your blinders off.

So your expectation of the coaching staff is to do something better than a level that only 1 program you can think of has previously achieved? No one has said this season was a success; there will be peaks and valleys.

Let me ask you this honest question. Are you ******* dumb or what? or did you get high on Bobby's sweet talk cool aid? Show me one win you are proud of over the last 4 years or a good win over a team that finished with a winning record. Don't tell me that win over LT at home where we squeaked by a FG. That **** is as old as your ******* excuses for Bobby's Chumps.

I don't know...that last second win against Rice was a big win

Yep. That's exactly how far we have adjusted our expectations and thanks to fans that won't take their dumb colored glasses these coaches think they are doing a fine job and has no reason to be alarmed. In my book Booby is a sheep with lion coat that preaches ideals on all fronts and won't be afraid to throw one of his assistants under bus to save his face. I can't wait for the day the Administration recognizes that and boots him and his crew off the porch. He was good for starting a FB program but not for achieving success or even sustaining it at any level and that's it.

Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

No. Wilder had a bad year this year, but he has been pretty successful up until now. Granted, the lack of highly rated recruiting classes, multiple touted QB recruits in a row becoming busts (McCarley, Bentley, Arnold), and SW still being a question mark leads to concern moving forward (let's be honest, his legacy could go either way), but Wilder has had success both at the FCS level and last season at FBS. Barefoot was unsuccessful throughout.

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Many, if not most successful head coaches' expertise is not necessarily about the technical side of the game, nor even with player assessment. The college head coach is above all;
1. a salesman, for for recruits, donors, AND his own admin
2. an assessor of assistants and subsequent delegation of authority to them.

As to #1, Bobby Wilder is certainly a great salesman and face of the program.
As to #2, his track record on assistants is far less clear.

For example, ODU's prolific passing offense and recruiting can be summed up in one assistant; Zohn Burden.
The performance of other assistants since 2009 is less clear to me, especially on defense, but on offense as well.

(12-23-2017 12:50 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

No. Wilder had a bad year this year, but he has been pretty successful up until now. Granted, the lack of highly rated recruiting classes, multiple touted QB recruits in a row becoming busts (McCarley, Bentley, Arnold), and SW still being a question mark leads to concern moving forward (let's be honest, his legacy could go either way), but Wilder has had success both at the FCS level and last season at FBS. Barefoot was unsuccessful throughout.

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Great response. I wish the message boards were more like this all the time. I disagree with you but you make good points.

(12-23-2017 12:00 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 11:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 11:16 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 10:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 10:46 PM)757ODU Wrote:  App state and ga state

Ga State did not. And that is out of how many teams that have tried?

All of them? I don't know man. You'll find a rainbow in the devil's a**. This season wasn't good enough from the coaching. Take your blinders off.

So your expectation of the coaching staff is to do something better than a level that only 1 program you can think of has previously achieved? No one has said this season was a success; there will be peaks and valleys.

Let me ask you this honest question. Are you ******* dumb or what? or did you get high on Bobby's sweet talk cool aid? Show me one win you are proud of over the last 4 years or a good win over a team that finished with a winning record. Don't tell me that win over LT at home where we squeaked by a FG. That **** is as old as your ******* excuses for Bobby's Chumps.

There is no reason to intelligently respond to a poster that writes like this.

(12-23-2017 12:13 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 10:23 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  What a strange world, FAU, FIU and GaSt all go bowling and are sitting at home. Who would thought that would happen.

It's all about the Coach.

Imagine a bunch of teams way more established than us going to a bowl game.

Come on Giles. I'm normally with you, but are you happy with what our coaching staff has done? Are you happy with the direction we are headed? ODU isn't committed to football, if we were we would pay more for a coach.

Absolutley. 23 wins in the first recruiting cycle is impressive. This came after very little time in FCS as opposed to a school like App State, which had been an FCS power for years.

Are they perfect? No. But people on this board have no grey area between awful and excellent. Its time to fire everyone after a down season.

Wilder and staff have earned the right to “right the ship.” If we are consistently winning 5 games, its tome to reevaluate. Many of you have no perspective in terms of the difficulty in starting from scratch. Its like conference championships are expected without even having full recruiting cycles.

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

(12-23-2017 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:00 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 11:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 11:16 PM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 10:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Ga State did not. And that is out of how many teams that have tried?

All of them? I don't know man. You'll find a rainbow in the devil's a**. This season wasn't good enough from the coaching. Take your blinders off.

So your expectation of the coaching staff is to do something better than a level that only 1 program you can think of has previously achieved? No one has said this season was a success; there will be peaks and valleys.

Let me ask you this honest question. Are you ******* dumb or what? or did you get high on Bobby's sweet talk cool aid? Show me one win you are proud of over the last 4 years or a good win over a team that finished with a winning record. Don't tell me that win over LT at home where we squeaked by a FG. That **** is as old as your ******* excuses for Bobby's Chumps.

There is no reason to intelligently respond to a poster that writes like this.

And yes your response exudes intelligence and wit.

(12-23-2017 01:35 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

Im asking a question. Which ways? I havent seen womens basketball in 15 years. Just seen results. You never answered why they were similar.

(12-23-2017 01:52 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:00 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 11:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 11:16 PM)757ODU Wrote:  All of them? I don't know man. You'll find a rainbow in the devil's a**. This season wasn't good enough from the coaching. Take your blinders off.

So your expectation of the coaching staff is to do something better than a level that only 1 program you can think of has previously achieved? No one has said this season was a success; there will be peaks and valleys.

Let me ask you this honest question. Are you ******* dumb or what? or did you get high on Bobby's sweet talk cool aid? Show me one win you are proud of over the last 4 years or a good win over a team that finished with a winning record. Don't tell me that win over LT at home where we squeaked by a FG. That **** is as old as your ******* excuses for Bobby's Chumps.

There is no reason to intelligently respond to a poster that writes like this.

And yes your response exudes intelligence and wit.

Not worth it to me. Blocked.

(12-23-2017 01:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:52 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:00 PM)12thmonarch Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 11:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So your expectation of the coaching staff is to do something better than a level that only 1 program you can think of has previously achieved? No one has said this season was a success; there will be peaks and valleys.

Let me ask you this honest question. Are you ******* dumb or what? or did you get high on Bobby's sweet talk cool aid? Show me one win you are proud of over the last 4 years or a good win over a team that finished with a winning record. Don't tell me that win over LT at home where we squeaked by a FG. That **** is as old as your ******* excuses for Bobby's Chumps.

There is no reason to intelligently respond to a poster that writes like this.

And yes your response exudes intelligence and wit.

Not worth it to me. Blocked.

Alrighty your dumb posts makes zero sense anyway.

(12-23-2017 01:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:35 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

Im asking a question. Which ways? I havent seen womens basketball in 15 years. Just seen results. You never answered why they were similar.

Ok at this point I'm surprised I'm having to spell this out for you but I'll try.

Wilder tries to convince the fan base that everything is good, we have just had some bad luck and injuries along the way. Barefoot did the exact same thing until she left ODU, and she left the cupboard beyond bare.

If you don't see that, good for you. Enjoy the status quo. I hate to say it because I'm normally with you but take your blinders off.

Come on you two. Kiss and make up. It's Christmas.

(12-23-2017 02:13 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Come on you two. Kiss and make up. It's Christmas.

LOL.

(12-23-2017 02:12 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:35 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

Im asking a question. Which ways? I havent seen womens basketball in 15 years. Just seen results. You never answered why they were similar.

Ok at this point I'm surprised I'm having to spell this out for you but I'll try.

Wilder tries to convince the fan base that everything is good, we have just had some bad luck and injuries along the way. Barefoot did the exact same thing until she left ODU, and she left the cupboard beyond bare.

If you don't see that, good for you. Enjoy the status quo. I hate to say it because I'm normally with you but take your blinders off.

So they are similar in that they say good things about the prgoram? Is that it? Are they similar in results? Anything else?

(12-23-2017 01:35 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

I don't know a ton about KB other than my first and second impression, upon hearing her speak, was that she isn't very smart. BW doesn't have that issue.

I still think BW could be a very good FBS coach due to his ability to sell, manage, and motivate. I do, however, think he will have to step up his assistants if he wants to reach that level. I believe that the question that will ultimately determine his fate as an FBS coach is whether he is able to fire the ones he seems most loyal to. That is a tough thing to do, and I would not think of him as less of a man if he chose to keep them, but I do think he will flame out of he doesn't make that move.

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(12-23-2017 03:38 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 02:12 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:56 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:35 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

Im asking a question. Which ways? I havent seen womens basketball in 15 years. Just seen results. You never answered why they were similar.

Ok at this point I'm surprised I'm having to spell this out for you but I'll try.

Wilder tries to convince the fan base that everything is good, we have just had some bad luck and injuries along the way. Barefoot did the exact same thing until she left ODU, and she left the cupboard beyond bare.

If you don't see that, good for you. Enjoy the status quo. I hate to say it because I'm normally with you but take your blinders off.

So they are similar in that they say good things about the prgoram? Is that it? Are they similar in results? Anything else?

They are similar in that they are salespeople and excuse makers. Turn on your radio, listen to an interview and you will understand what I'm talking about.

They were similar in results this year, and they are certainly similar in that they can't come close to beating a team from a great program in a P5 conference. Again, if you disagree with me that is fine but it's how I see it.

(12-23-2017 10:49 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:35 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 01:21 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-23-2017 12:19 PM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Is Wilder = Barefoot? It's a fair question. She buried our program for 3 years.

In which ways are they similar?

Really? The glass is always full and a ton of excuses for not getting results. I'm actually stunned you don't see that.

I don't know a ton about KB other than my first and second impression, upon hearing her speak, was that she isn't very smart. BW doesn't have that issue.

I still think BW could be a very good FBS coach due to his ability to sell, manage, and motivate. I do, however, think he will have to step up his assistants if he wants to reach that level. I believe that the question that will ultimately determine his fate as an FBS coach is whether he is able to fire the ones he seems most loyal to. That is a tough thing to do, and I would not think of him as less of a man if he chose to keep them, but I do think he will flame out of he doesn't make that move.

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The problem is I'm not sure he thinks his assistants are a problem. He is the one that pushed multi-year contracts for them.

For all of the posts I've had this week that haven't been favorable for our football staff, I don't think it is there fault. In my opinion I don't like what I see from the AD's office aside from the McCray hiring.