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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-01-2018 03:52 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-01-2018 03:22 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The CCG is still an important data point. If Clemson loses the ACC, they don't get in. The loser of the SEC doesn't get in. If Oklahoma loses the B12, they don't get in. If Wisconsin wins the B1G, they do get in.

I don't see where Kelly is going with this. This years schedule is about as favorable as it gets. Here is the generic version:

Should win
Georgia (lost)
Should win
Michigan State
Should win
Should win
Off
USC
Should win
Should win
Miami (FL) (lost)
Should win
Stanford (lost)

I think his point is they played Georgia (loss) and Stanford (loss). Replace those 2 games with G5 cupcakes and would Notre Dame have a shot at 11-1? Maybe. He'd still have the ranked wins over Michigan St and USC, which would've been better than what Bama had...

The point here Mark is that if ESPN has the rights to the game, and they do for the CFP, they will yack up Notre Dame just as fast as Ohio State and Alabama. Kelly knows that.
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
Again, Kelly runs his mouth a lot. I would not put too much stock in that.

Listen to what Jack Swarbrick says going forward.
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-01-2018 09:01 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Looks like ND is farther away from joining the ACC because of the 13th data point reduced status:

it bears repeating ...
the ACC presidents, I believe, don't want nd to join in full unless and until a counterweight -- read texas -- counterbalances ...

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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-02-2018 05:26 PM)green Wrote:  
(01-01-2018 09:01 AM)Dasville Wrote:  Looks like ND is farther away from joining the ACC because of the 13th data point reduced status:

it bears repeating ...
the ACC presidents, I believe, don't want nd to join in full unless and until a counterweight -- read texas -- counterbalances ...

EQUALIBRIUM

So you're saying UConn < Notre Dame?
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The 13th data point, much like the committee, is a bunch of crap
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(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The 13th data point, much like the committee, is a bunch of crap

But......we will have the 13th data point safety valve at the committee's disposal at least until the ESPN contract with the CFP expires in another 8 years.
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(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The 13th data point, much like the committee, is a bunch of crap

Not at all.


Y'all are confusing the use of a 13th data point in the comparison of all the data points with the 13th data point being more important than others. It's not. Yes Ohio State had a 13th data point and Alabama didn't. They also had two data points that were double digit losses, including the data point where they lose by 31 points to a middle of the road team. Because of the other two data points the 13th data point wasn't enough to push Ohio State past Alabama.

The 13th data point is important when at the end two or more teams are fairly equal. With the two blowout losses Ohio State wasn't close enough to equal to Alabama for the 13th data point to push them past the Tide.
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I like Notre Dames scheduling..... I just think they need to either go undefeated or have only one lose. Any thing less and it's not reason to discuss.
Be careful trying to soften up your schedule you don't make it too soft and get TCU'd...lol

FlossY Out...04-wine
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
The ACC and Notre Dame both know that the Irish don’t need the conference anymore. ND didn’t want to be lumped in with what the old Big East was becoming. Now, the Big East actually resembles much more of the original Big East which they joined. Consider that DePaul, Marquette, and Butler are three out of four of ND’s most played basketball opponents. I have no doubts that Notre Dame may be on the lookout to join the Big East come time. They will have no trouble continuing to build one of the country’s toughest and unique football schedules. In addition, their bowl prospects will once again be open again. 04-wine
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-06-2018 08:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame both know that the Irish don’t need the conference anymore. ND didn’t want to be lumped in with what the old Big East was becoming. Now, the Big East actually resembles much more of the original Big East which they joined. Consider that DePaul, Marquette, and Butler are three out of four of ND’s most played basketball opponents. I have no doubts that Notre Dame may be on the lookout to join the Big East come time. They will have no trouble continuing to build one of the country’s toughest and unique football schedules. In addition, their bowl prospects will once again be open again. 04-wine

Interesting!
I hope you are correct. I for one do not want Notre Dame to become a full time member of the ACC. I thought it was inevitable, but not desirable.
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-06-2018 08:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame both know that the Irish don’t need the conference anymore. ND didn’t want to be lumped in with what the old Big East was becoming. Now, the Big East actually resembles much more of the original Big East which they joined. Consider that DePaul, Marquette, and Butler are three out of four of ND’s most played basketball opponents. I have no doubts that Notre Dame may be on the lookout to join the Big East come time. They will have no trouble continuing to build one of the country’s toughest and unique football schedules. In addition, their bowl prospects will once again be open again. 04-wine

...and again and again and again. 03-yawn
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Send Notre Dame back to the Big East and add Connecticut and West Virginia to reach 16. Then be done with it! 07-coffee3
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(01-06-2018 11:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Send Notre Dame back to the Big East

Agreed

Quote: and add Connecticut

Absolutely not.

Quote:and West Virginia to reach 16. Then be done with it! 07-coffee3

Meh. We can do better.
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-06-2018 11:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 11:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Send Notre Dame back to the Big East

Agreed

Quote: and add Connecticut

Absolutely not.

Quote:and West Virginia to reach 16. Then be done with it! 07-coffee3

Meh. We can do better.

So, which two teams do you want? If I could get any two that I want, they would be PSU and Navy.
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(01-06-2018 11:08 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 11:04 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 11:01 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Send Notre Dame back to the Big East

Agreed

Quote: and add Connecticut

Absolutely not.

Quote:and West Virginia to reach 16. Then be done with it! 07-coffee3

Meh. We can do better.

So, which two teams do you want? If I could get any two that I want, they would be PSU and Navy.

Add Penn State and Maryland. Let B1G stuck with Rutgers.
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-06-2018 08:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame both know that the Irish don’t need the conference anymore. ND didn’t want to be lumped in with what the old Big East was becoming. Now, the Big East actually resembles much more of the original Big East which they joined. Consider that DePaul, Marquette, and Butler are three out of four of ND’s most played basketball opponents. I have no doubts that Notre Dame may be on the lookout to join the Big East come time. They will have no trouble continuing to build one of the country’s toughest and unique football schedules. In addition, their bowl prospects will once again be open again. 04-wine

Not happening. It will be status quo going forward for both ND and the ACC through 2036. Those deals are all done.

There is no chance ND will join the Big East. Absent a P4 champs only playoff setup, there is little chance that ND football will join the ACC.
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(01-05-2018 03:06 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  I like Notre Dames scheduling..... I just think they need to either go undefeated or have only one lose. Any thing less and it's not reason to discuss.
Be careful trying to soften up your schedule you don't make it too soft and get TCU'd...lol

FlossY Out...04-wine


ND will not join a football conference unless and until the playoffs are legally mandated as P4 conference champs only.

Jack Swarbrick is on record saying this. Otherwise, it will be the status quo for ND going forward.

ND is good with where it now sits regarding the ACC, its schedules and the playoffs.

ND has known about the playoff implications as an independent for several years. Its answer is to try to make its schedule harder, not easier as Kelly suggests.

Here is what Swarbrick said just last July about ND football schedules in the playoff era:

"On scheduling at large, Swarbrick appears content with Notre Dame’s slates when married to the College Football Playoff contract that runs through 2025. The way Swarbrick sees it, Notre Dame needs a data point against at least four of the five Power 5 conferences if it’s going to make the field without a perfect regular season.


“We want markers against the major conferences,” Swarbrick said. “We’ll always have a Pac-12 marker, we’ll have two every year. More often than not we’ll have a Big Ten marker. We’ll always have an ACC marker.

"The focus was trying to build some SEC markers into the schedule with A&M, Georgia and Arkansas. We’ve been able to do that.”


https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame...s-74898435


He also said this last July:


"There will be years where not having a conference championship works against us. We understand that, we factor it into our calculus. But, given the schedules we’re building, I’ll be very comfortable arguing most years that our 12 games compare favorably with everybody else’s 13. When you say a 13-game schedule is superior to our 12-game schedule, you have to compare all the games. We’re building schedules that I think will stand up to that comparison well. They’ll be very tough to navigate. No one will ever accuse us of backing in with the schedules we’ve built for the future."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co...467734001/


So, again, Brian Kelly has no say or authority over football independence or scheduling. He does not speak for the university on those issues, Jack Swarbrick does.

I would not get too worked up over anything Kelly says on this subject.
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RE: With Alabama making the playoff ND looks to shift priorities
(01-06-2018 02:35 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 03:06 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  I like Notre Dames scheduling..... I just think they need to either go undefeated or have only one lose. Any thing less and it's not reason to discuss.
Be careful trying to soften up your schedule you don't make it too soft and get TCU'd...lol

FlossY Out...04-wine


ND will not join a football conference unless and until the playoffs are legally mandated as P4 conference champs only.

Jack Swarbrick is on record saying this. Otherwise, it will be the status quo for ND going forward.

ND is good with where it now sits regarding the ACC, its schedules and the playoffs.

ND has known about the playoff implications as an independent for several years. Its answer is to try to make its schedule harder, not easier as Kelly suggests.

Here is what Swarbrick said just last July about ND football schedules in the playoff era:

"On scheduling at large, Swarbrick appears content with Notre Dame’s slates when married to the College Football Playoff contract that runs through 2025. The way Swarbrick sees it, Notre Dame needs a data point against at least four of the five Power 5 conferences if it’s going to make the field without a perfect regular season.


“We want markers against the major conferences,” Swarbrick said. “We’ll always have a Pac-12 marker, we’ll have two every year. More often than not we’ll have a Big Ten marker. We’ll always have an ACC marker.

"The focus was trying to build some SEC markers into the schedule with A&M, Georgia and Arkansas. We’ve been able to do that.”


https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame...s-74898435


He also said this last July:


"There will be years where not having a conference championship works against us. We understand that, we factor it into our calculus. But, given the schedules we’re building, I’ll be very comfortable arguing most years that our 12 games compare favorably with everybody else’s 13. When you say a 13-game schedule is superior to our 12-game schedule, you have to compare all the games. We’re building schedules that I think will stand up to that comparison well. They’ll be very tough to navigate. No one will ever accuse us of backing in with the schedules we’ve built for the future."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co...467734001/


So, again, Brian Kelly has no say or authority over football independence or scheduling. He does not speak for the university on those issues, Jack Swarbrick does.

I would not get too worked up over anything Kelly says on this subject.

I think 2024 will be when this all plays out. Texas and ND has been the holy grail for Swofford. Not that I think it will happen but that appears to be the best hope is ND to join if Texas joins the ACC. I think OU and OSU to SEC and Texas and ND to the ACC would be great incredible. SEC gets Bedlam and TX plays OU, OK ST and Tx AM every three years as part of ACC/SEC rivalry weekend. Just have a feeling B10 will not allow this to happen.
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(01-06-2018 02:31 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 08:47 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC and Notre Dame both know that the Irish don’t need the conference anymore. ND didn’t want to be lumped in with what the old Big East was becoming. Now, the Big East actually resembles much more of the original Big East which they joined. Consider that DePaul, Marquette, and Butler are three out of four of ND’s most played basketball opponents. I have no doubts that Notre Dame may be on the lookout to join the Big East come time. They will have no trouble continuing to build one of the country’s toughest and unique football schedules. In addition, their bowl prospects will once again be open again. 04-wine

Not happening. It will be status quo going forward for both ND and the ACC through 2036. Those deals are all done.

There is no chance ND will join the Big East. Absent a P4 champs only playoff setup, there is little chance that ND football will join the ACC.

In 2036, you heard it here first!
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(01-06-2018 02:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 02:35 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 03:06 PM)HRFlossY Wrote:  I like Notre Dames scheduling..... I just think they need to either go undefeated or have only one lose. Any thing less and it's not reason to discuss.
Be careful trying to soften up your schedule you don't make it too soft and get TCU'd...lol

FlossY Out...04-wine


ND will not join a football conference unless and until the playoffs are legally mandated as P4 conference champs only.

Jack Swarbrick is on record saying this. Otherwise, it will be the status quo for ND going forward.

ND is good with where it now sits regarding the ACC, its schedules and the playoffs.

ND has known about the playoff implications as an independent for several years. Its answer is to try to make its schedule harder, not easier as Kelly suggests.

Here is what Swarbrick said just last July about ND football schedules in the playoff era:

"On scheduling at large, Swarbrick appears content with Notre Dame’s slates when married to the College Football Playoff contract that runs through 2025. The way Swarbrick sees it, Notre Dame needs a data point against at least four of the five Power 5 conferences if it’s going to make the field without a perfect regular season.


“We want markers against the major conferences,” Swarbrick said. “We’ll always have a Pac-12 marker, we’ll have two every year. More often than not we’ll have a Big Ten marker. We’ll always have an ACC marker.

"The focus was trying to build some SEC markers into the schedule with A&M, Georgia and Arkansas. We’ve been able to do that.”


https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame...s-74898435


He also said this last July:


"There will be years where not having a conference championship works against us. We understand that, we factor it into our calculus. But, given the schedules we’re building, I’ll be very comfortable arguing most years that our 12 games compare favorably with everybody else’s 13. When you say a 13-game schedule is superior to our 12-game schedule, you have to compare all the games. We’re building schedules that I think will stand up to that comparison well. They’ll be very tough to navigate. No one will ever accuse us of backing in with the schedules we’ve built for the future."


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/co...467734001/


So, again, Brian Kelly has no say or authority over football independence or scheduling. He does not speak for the university on those issues, Jack Swarbrick does.

I would not get too worked up over anything Kelly says on this subject.

I think 2024 will be when this all plays out. Texas and ND has been the holy grail for Swofford. Not that I think it will happen but that appears to be the best hope is ND to join if Texas joins the ACC. I think OU and OSU to SEC and Texas and ND to the ACC would be great incredible. SEC gets Bedlam and TX plays OU, OK ST and Tx AM every three years as part of ACC/SEC rivalry weekend. Just have a feeling B10 will not allow this to happen.

How would the Big Ten stop it?
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