I respect everyone's opinion and my hand is raised for leaning on defending the teaching profession when its warranted largely due to my wife being so dedicated to her profession. When we moved to North Carolina about 14 years ago, average teacher salaries were near the bottom of all 50 states. We live in a mostly rural, poorer county and salaries have gotten better in recent years but my wife has two graduate degrees and she is just now making as much money as she did when we left Ohio to move down here. You don't go in to the teaching profession to make money. I would argue most are called to it like social workers for example. I'll spare everyone the stories I could share of what my wife has had to overcome with challenges teaching over the years in Alabama, Ohio and now North Carolina for time's sake. The bottom line is she and others I know personally do not feel entitled as some (teachers) obviously feel they are. You can certainly get into the weeds and discuss how location (e.g., northeast, California, etc.), public vs. private and institutions of higher learning play a role in the entitlement/liberalism attitudes in education. All I'm saying is not all teachers are this way and my experience has been the majority are dedicated to their jobs and care about students and performance. I didn't mean to derail gdunn's thread. Back to it....

(01-01-2018 06:59 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys I was fine with 30 years. Kasich changed it to where I have to work 38 years to enjoy my retirement. 18 years in these sons a ******* did this to us. All because of the propaganda that’s put on us like above. In twenty years the fascists will be wanting to put us into concentration camps for a tax cut to corporations. They will sell it as a win win........


I’m sure there are some of you in here with a crooked smile rubbing your chin..... you know that’s not a bad idea.....

Mach, your retirement age was upped because the math doesn't work when a state pays its workers as long in retirement as it did when they worked. Unless you want your state to fail financially (see Illinois), 30 and out doesn't work for state employees....and they did this to all state employees, not just teachers...

State Patrolmen no......

Firemen.......no

Teachers....... Fock those guys

(01-01-2018 06:59 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys I was fine with 30 years. Kasich changed it to where I have to work 38 years to enjoy my retirement. 18 years in these sons a ******* did this to us. All because of the propaganda that’s put on us like above. In twenty years the fascists will be wanting to put us into concentration camps for a tax cut to corporations. They will sell it as a win win........


I’m sure there are some of you in here with a crooked smile rubbing your chin..... you know that’s not a bad idea.....

Should have gotten a job where you control your own retirement. You want the gov to pay for your retirement, then you’re at the whim of who ever is in power.

Plus I should have been given options....... you need to give this much more to keep what you were originally promised. No. They had tax cuts to give

They cut fooking taxes..... actually had the audacity to steal from me and then cut taxes

I guess it’s better than a furnace in a concentration camp

(01-01-2018 08:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Plus I should have been given options....... you need to give this much more to keep what you were originally promised. No. They had tax cuts to give

We should make your pay performance based like the rest of us and see how many options you have.

(01-01-2018 08:23 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They cut fooking taxes..... actually had the audacity to steal from me and then cut taxes

Once again, tax cuts are not stealing from you. People keeping their own money isn’t stealing. You have no claim to their money you mooch.

(01-01-2018 08:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  State Patrolmen no......

Firemen.......no

Teachers....... Fock those guys

That's because a 60 year old cop can't really do the job at that age physically. You, a teacher, can. Same with firemen.

Oh yeah, and you aren't risking your life on you job....

Other state workers got their retirement age upped.

Quit being a baby.

I said that teachers, as a group, had a put upon mentality.

Our teacher on this board has since talked about Nazis, putting teachers in concentration camps, compared themselves to Fire and Police as if they don’t get **** on.

Isn’t being proven right delicious?

(01-01-2018 08:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  State Patrolmen no......

Firemen.......no

Teachers....... Fock those guys

Going to put it in a way that even you should be able to understand. Sesame Street style:

One of these things is not like the others

One of these things just doesn't belong

Can you tell which thing is not like the others

By the time I finish my song?


Did you guess which thing was not like the others?

Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?

If you guessed this one is not like the others <points at the teacher>

Then you're absolutely...right!

The rant of the teacher in this thread pretty much fits the premise of the OP.

So we should have our pensions cut? Meanwhile a person stated that teachers weren’t the only ones cut. I’m not so sure about that. It’s terrible

This story comes off as highly embellished, and beyond that ascribing general d!ckhole behavior to any one political ideology seems spurious at best.

(01-01-2018 08:22 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Plus I should have been given options....... you need to give this much more to keep what you were originally promised. No. They had tax cuts to give

How about going out and creating your own wealth, instead of blaming taxpayers for fiscal sanity?

How many of those taxpayers even have their own pension.

What a sense of entitlement.

(01-01-2018 09:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So we should have our pensions cut? Meanwhile a person stated that teachers weren’t the only ones cut. I’m not so sure about that. It’s terrible

The problem is that your pensions were based upon an unsustainable economic model. So what should be done to keep those pensions?

(01-01-2018 09:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So we should have our pensions cut? Meanwhile a person stated that teachers weren’t the only ones cut. I’m not so sure about that. It’s terrible

The problem is that your pensions were based upon an unsustainable economic model. So what should be done to keep those pensions?

in defense....that sounds eerily familiar to SS or medicare.....

who'd a thunk it....

(01-01-2018 09:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So we should have our pensions cut? Meanwhile a person stated that teachers weren’t the only ones cut. I’m not so sure about that. It’s terrible

The problem is that your pensions were based upon an unsustainable economic model. So what should be done to keep those pensions?

in defense....that sounds eerily familiar to SS or medicare.....

who'd a thunk it....

Exactly. Everybody underfunds future liabilities because it’s easy. Until it bites you in the butt.

(01-01-2018 09:37 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:34 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-01-2018 09:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So we should have our pensions cut? Meanwhile a person stated that teachers weren’t the only ones cut. I’m not so sure about that. It’s terrible

The problem is that your pensions were based upon an unsustainable economic model. So what should be done to keep those pensions?

in defense....that sounds eerily familiar to SS or medicare.....

who'd a thunk it....

Exactly. Everybody underfunds future liabilities because it’s easy. Until it bites you in the butt.

building debt has always been 'peter to pay paul'......

it's why it was always da finga in my econ classes.....the math is solid....it's the execution over time that becomes the jumble....

I'm telling ya....if the DJT experiment doesn't work, you're going to see something that you only read about......

#precipitous