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And while I was typing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...ff47f9c4a1
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President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met Wednesday.

The comments left lawmakers taken aback, according to people familiar with their reactions. Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) proposed cutting the visa lottery program by 50 percent and prioritizing countries already in the system, a White House official said.
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(01-11-2018 04:42 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  In any case, statistically immigrants are less likely to commit those crimes than citizens, so he's making an incorrect generalization about people from Latin America.

How does that break down between legal immigrants and illegal ones?
01-11-2018 05:45 PM
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(01-11-2018 05:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 04:42 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  In any case, statistically immigrants are less likely to commit those crimes than citizens, so he's making an incorrect generalization about people from Latin America.

How does that break down between legal immigrants and illegal ones?

CATO says basically no difference.

https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-my...immigrants

Just the first one that came up from a place I had heard of in my google search. I'd assume it's not easy to measure and there are no shortage of methodological debates.
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(01-11-2018 06:04 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 05:45 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(01-11-2018 04:42 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  In any case, statistically immigrants are less likely to commit those crimes than citizens, so he's making an incorrect generalization about people from Latin America.
How does that break down between legal immigrants and illegal ones?
CATO says basically no difference.
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-my...immigrants
Just the first one that came up from a place I had heard of in my google search. I'd assume it's not easy to measure and there are no shortage of methodological debates.

I'm sure about the methodological problems. Illegals are about twice as high as legals, if I'm reading data correctly. And that's incarcerations. I'd expect illegals to be much lower there since for many violations we would probably deport rather than incarcerate.
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Like I said, some illegals are the salt of the earth, others are the bane.

My quarrel is with the myth that Trump was "calling hispanics "rapists and murderers,", which he did not. JAAOS said that. such a statement certainly helps those who want to paint Trump as a racist. I wonder if that shoe fits JAAOS.

So much of this debate is laced with stereotypes on both sides. I have to grit my teeth whenever I hear some lefty explain that illegals are just people looking for a better life for their families. Some are. Some aren't.

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(01-10-2018 12:47 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  Really I could come up with 100 other examples, but what's the point? If the GOP thinks it's doing great minority outreach, more power to them, who am I to stop them?

I do find the willingness to parse and reparse Trump's words to put them in a better light to be an interesting contrast to the willingness to do the opposite with Hillary's. For example, here's the second part of the deplorables comment:

"But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well. "

Her main, albeit poorly made, point was literally don't lump all Trump supporters into the "deplorables" basket. But it was interpreted as exactly the opposite.

No, it was only half. But I suppose each of us is free to determine if she meant us or not. Since the left routinely regards any right-winger as a racist, not a big leap to make. If you are conservative or Republican, you are a deplorable.
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Andrew White and Lupe Valdez will have a runoff in late May to determine who will lose to Greg Abbott.
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(01-10-2018 12:47 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  I do find the willingness to parse and reparse Trump's words to put them in a better light to be an interesting contrast to the willingness to do the opposite with Hillary's. For example, here's the second part of the deplorables comment:
"But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won’t wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroine, feel like they’re in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well. "
Her main, albeit poorly made, point was literally don't lump all Trump supporters into the "deplorables" basket. But it was interpreted as exactly the opposite.

But here’s the problem with that. She identified those non-deplorables—but then made no effort to reach out to them. So someone with the legitimately held beliefs that she described could reasonably think, “Hey, she made no effort to reach out to me. So she must think I’m one of those deplorables.”
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(01-10-2018 12:47 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  Really I could come up with 100 other examples, but what's the point? If the GOP thinks it's doing great minority outreach, more power to them, who am I to stop them?

If republicans think they are doing a good job of minority outreach, then they are only kidding themselves. I find that particularly infuriating, because how hard can it be to offer a better deal than the welfare plantation? I mean, how hard is it to expose LBJ’s, “Keep ‘em dumb, keep ‘em poor, keep ‘em dependent on handouts, and you’ll keep ‘em voting democrat,” approach for the miserable fraud that it is?

One reason, of course, is that it is going to be hard, at least initially, to undo 50+ years of inertia. The Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons of the world aren’t going to take kindly to anyone messing with their gravy train. But I have to believe there’s a way for the party of Lincoln to do a better job.
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