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Dolphins need a QB, as well, to compete with Tannehill.
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(01-19-2018 04:20 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Dolphins need a QB, as well, to compete with Tannehill.

There is a difference between need and best available pick on the board. All QBs in the draft will be evaluated once those with a high probability of becoming a starter based on these evaluations are going the rest will fall to the bottom. There's a big fall off after 1 - 5, and another drop after 6 - 10. That said Baker has voiced preference for Miami so I wouldn't be surprised to see a trade to make that happen.

As for Litton he's not going to be one of the top 10 QBs in the draft so he's most likely going to have to see how free agency works out.
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(01-18-2018 08:34 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 08:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 07:20 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 07:13 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  ESPN profiled top 8 QBs in the 2018 draft, guess who isn't one of them? Not sure more than 8 will get drafted.

Dude... Five quarterbacks are going to be taken this year in the first round alone.

Five quarterbacks have been taken in the first round just twice in league history

1999(Couch, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper, McNown)

1983(Elway, Blackledge,Kelly, Eason, O'Brien, Marino)

In 18 drafts since the last five QB first round, there have been just four instances of a four QB first round and the only time we've even come close to five in the first round in that time was 2011 when Andy Dalton was taken 35th.

I guess if all five of those guys have multiple teams fall in love with them, its not impossible, but there were certainly first round duds in 83 and 99, even in the four semi recent four QB first rounds, there's at least one cautionary tale:

03(Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman)

04(Manning, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Losman)

11(Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder)

12(Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Weeden)

If you really believe five QBs will go in the first round, you could probably make some pretty good money on prop bets.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldra...e=position

Have you guys been following the draft at all? You do realize Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson are all being talked about as first-rounders? I'm not really going out on a limb here guys.

Yeah, there will be five quarterbacks taken this year in the first round. It's a historic class. That's not a stretch.

By the skin of your teeth...

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(04-26-2018 10:34 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 08:34 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 08:16 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 07:20 PM)rileylives Wrote:  
(01-18-2018 07:13 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  ESPN profiled top 8 QBs in the 2018 draft, guess who isn't one of them? Not sure more than 8 will get drafted.

Dude... Five quarterbacks are going to be taken this year in the first round alone.

Five quarterbacks have been taken in the first round just twice in league history

1999(Couch, McNabb, Smith, Culpepper, McNown)

1983(Elway, Blackledge,Kelly, Eason, O'Brien, Marino)

In 18 drafts since the last five QB first round, there have been just four instances of a four QB first round and the only time we've even come close to five in the first round in that time was 2011 when Andy Dalton was taken 35th.

I guess if all five of those guys have multiple teams fall in love with them, its not impossible, but there were certainly first round duds in 83 and 99, even in the four semi recent four QB first rounds, there's at least one cautionary tale:

03(Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman)

04(Manning, Rivers, Roethlisburger, Losman)

11(Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder)

12(Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Weeden)

If you really believe five QBs will go in the first round, you could probably make some pretty good money on prop bets.


http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldra...e=position

Have you guys been following the draft at all? You do realize Josh Rosen, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson are all being talked about as first-rounders? I'm not really going out on a limb here guys.

Yeah, there will be five quarterbacks taken this year in the first round. It's a historic class. That's not a stretch.

By the skin of your teeth...

04-cheers

And if lucky only two will pan out.....I for one do not see Mayfield and or Allen having success in the NFL....Jackson is also iffy for me, I think Darnold and Rosen both have a chance to be really good NFL QB's.....Time will tell....
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I doubt Litton gets drafted until 6th or most likely 7th round if at all.
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(04-27-2018 07:17 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  And if lucky only two will pan out.....I for one do not see Mayfield and or Allen having success in the NFL....Jackson is also iffy for me, I think Darnold and Rosen both have a chance to be really good NFL QB's.....Time will tell....

Lamar Jackson is Pat White 2.0 version 7. The 1st real big hit he takes he will fold up like a lawn chair.

Pat White 6'0 205 pounds
Lamar Jackson 6'3 216 pounds

In todays NFL you need to be 6'4 or better and be 230 pounds or better or you will get destroyed by the guys on the outside.
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Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees (among others) disagree.
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(04-27-2018 11:11 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees (among others) disagree.

All considered Elite, that's not Lamar Jackson. And well ask Drew Brees about his time in San Diego, he spent more time on his back than he did upright. It wasn't until 5 years later when he got to the Saints he became NFL elite. Also Aaron Rogers is steamed at the Packers right now because he didn't have the protection he once had and therefore he was sacked the most in his career last year.

Jackson had a decent college career, he never won more than 9 games, no 10 win or better season. He was on the ESPN hype machine (ala Tre Young). 2015 Louisville 8-5 (5-3), 2016 Louisville 9-4 (7-1), 2017 Louisville 8-5 (4-4).

Jackson won the Heisman for the same reason 90% of the winners in the last 30 years, he was on the ESPN hype machine. One of the only times I remember a player not winning the Heisman and being the most hyped was in 1998 when Ron Dayne took the Heisman over Payton Manning and in that year it was probably a dead heat for ESPN on who they were hyping more.
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(04-27-2018 11:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 11:11 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees (among others) disagree.

All considered Elite, that's not Lamar Jackson. And well ask Drew Brees about his time in San Diego, he spent more time on his back than he did upright. It wasn't until 5 years later when he got to the Saints he became NFL elite. Also Aaron Rogers is steamed at the Packers right now because he didn't have the protection he once had and therefore he was sacked the most in his career last year.

Jackson had a decent college career, he never won more than 9 games, no 10 win or better season. He was on the ESPN hype machine (ala Tre Young). 2015 Louisville 8-5 (5-3), 2016 Louisville 9-4 (7-1), 2017 Louisville 8-5 (4-4).

Jackson won the Heisman for the same reason 90% of the winners in the last 30 years, he was on the ESPN hype machine. One of the only times I remember a player not winning the Heisman and being the most hyped was in 1998 when Ron Dayne took the Heisman over Payton Manning and in that year it was probably a dead heat for ESPN on who they were hyping more.

You've mixed up your Heisman years, Woodson beat Manning(and Leaf and Moss) in the shocking upset.

Dayne was 99, beating Hamilton and Vick.
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And regarding Jackson's Heisman season, he definitely rode the ESPN hype machine, but for a while it was very well deserved. His first 8 or 9 weeks of his season were unreal and had Louisville not faltered down the stretch, losing to Houston and Kentucky, he may have been a landslide winner, conversely, with the way their season ended, if the Heisman was voted on after the national title game, Watson probably wins that year.
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(04-27-2018 11:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You've mixed up your Heisman years, Woodson beat Manning(and Leaf and Moss) in the shocking upset.

Dayne was 99, beating Hamilton and Vick.

We were both mixed up. Charles Woodson was 97, Rickey Williams "The Pot Head" was 98 and Ron Dayne was 99.

And I agree with you I think Watson deserved the Heisman in 16. He was impressive the whole season taking Clemson to the title game, Jackson more than fell off.
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(04-27-2018 11:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 11:11 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Russell Wilson, Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees (among others) disagree.

All considered Elite, that's not Lamar Jackson. And well ask Drew Brees about his time in San Diego, he spent more time on his back than he did upright. It wasn't until 5 years later when he got to the Saints he became NFL elite. Also Aaron Rogers is steamed at the Packers right now because he didn't have the protection he once had and therefore he was sacked the most in his career last year.

Jackson had a decent college career, he never won more than 9 games, no 10 win or better season. He was on the ESPN hype machine (ala Tre Young). 2015 Louisville 8-5 (5-3), 2016 Louisville 9-4 (7-1), 2017 Louisville 8-5 (4-4).

Jackson won the Heisman for the same reason 90% of the winners in the last 30 years, he was on the ESPN hype machine. One of the only times I remember a player not winning the Heisman and being the most hyped was in 1998 when Ron Dayne took the Heisman over Payton Manning and in that year it was probably a dead heat for ESPN on who they were hyping more.

We don't know whether his NFL career will be elite or not. I was addressing this comment: "In todays NFL you need to be 6'4 or better and be 230 pounds or better or you will get destroyed by the guys on the outside."

And recognizing those guys I mentioned who are below your measurables are elite pretty much invalidated the whole statement copied in italics above. How can they have achieved eliteness while being destroyed. These are contradictory. All NFL QB's take hits. The difference are the ones who can take the hits, get up, and not let it effect their play. Drew Brees, for example, didn't get any bigger after leaving San Diego.
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(04-27-2018 11:50 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 11:36 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  You've mixed up your Heisman years, Woodson beat Manning(and Leaf and Moss) in the shocking upset.

Dayne was 99, beating Hamilton and Vick.

We were both mixed up. Charles Woodson was 97, Rickey Williams "The Pot Head" was 98 and Ron Dayne was 99.

And I agree with you I think Watson deserved the Heisman in 16. He was impressive the whole season taking Clemson to the title game, Jackson more than fell off.

How was I mixed up? Are you still thinking Manning was 98? He was definitely 97...
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(04-27-2018 11:58 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  We don't know whether his NFL career will be elite or not. I was addressing this comment: "In todays NFL you need to be 6'4 or better and be 230 pounds or better or you will get destroyed by the guys on the outside."

And recognizing those guys I mentioned who are below your measurables are elite pretty much invalidated the whole statement copied in italics above. How can they have achieved eliteness while being destroyed. These are contradictory. All NFL QB's take hits. The difference are the ones who can take the hits, get up, and not let it effect their play. Drew Brees, for example, didn't get any bigger after leaving San Diego.

Jackson will never be elite, hell he wasn't elite in college. His best bet would have been to turn WR entering the NFL Draft. He could have done what Hines Ward and Antwaan Randle El done.

Jackson left a year early because everyone had figured him out. Last year he beat 3 teams with a winning record.
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Lots of mediocre college QBs went on to be great NFL QBs. Some guy named Joe Montana comes to mind.

You have no idea if he will be good or not.
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Each jump is a roll of the dice, also where you land can well determine your future. Brett Favre would probably have been forgotten had he not been traded from Atlanta.
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