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RE: FBS Attendance Requirements?
Spirit of 76. I cannot imagine having Army in the AAC. Just my own opinions based on no inside information. We play USAFA home and home and not stand alone like the Army game so as to not elevate or make it seem equivalent to the Army - Navy game in prestige. (This doesn't take away from the fierceness of the rivalry though with Air Force). Having two teams that run the same kind of offense in the same league only gives the other teams to see option type football more often and may take some advantages away from Navy. The USMA stadium is a smaller stadium than USNA and is an hour north of the Big Apple. NYC is not like Atlanta. College football isn't nearly as popular in NY as in the South or even in Maryland. NYC area is full of FCS and Div III type colleges and universities. The NY Dailey News and other local papers do not have lead sports articles on Army Football, if they cover it all. I used to live on Long Island for a time many years ago and that was my impression then. Could be different now. So, adding Army to the AAC doesn't add much for bringing the NYC market. Could change if Army really is on a resurgence. Just my two cents. Cheers
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(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

Ya, I don’t know what USF’s “actual” attendance numbers are, which I’m sure are lower than that (though that probably goes for UCF and everyone else as well).

I stand corrected though... and do think that it probably more is an optics thing.

Wasn’t trolling... the attendance seemed troubling... and I just didn’t know if it was anything to be concerned about. Glad to hear it isn’t...
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(01-16-2018 10:01 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 06:52 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?

No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark

It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Do you want to see pictures from your THREE winless seasons when their was literally nobody in your stadium?
3 winless seasons? I know if 2 in our history. And yes... i know we had bad attendance during a winless season... kinda goes with the territory lol. But as the team bounced back so did attendance.

My UCF friend, I have some photos of your crowds in down years/games. I have no intention of sharing because it's just trolling and serves no purpose, but UCF in down years has really pathetic crowds (as does USF for that matter). You've had games with 5-10K actual bodies in stands (even if you announced 23-24K).

However, I will assume that this was a serious question, so in that regard both USF and UCF are well above any 15K threshold (even if never enforced) and neither are in any danger of falling near that mark. Check with Tulsa, Tulane, etc. as well as half the MAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt, and you might find programs in danger of falling under 15K.
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(01-16-2018 10:07 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

Ya, I don’t know what USF’s “actual” attendance numbers are, which I’m sure are lower than that (though that probably goes for UCF and everyone else as well).

I stand corrected though... and do think that it probably more is an optics thing.

Wasn’t trolling... the attendance seemed troubling... and I just didn’t know if it was anything to be concerned about. Glad to hear it isn’t...

Yeah, I assume you were somewhat serious, and to answer your question, USF has never come anywhere near 15K attendance.

I also assume you are referring to actual attendance (although all FBS programs go by announced attendance, not actual), and that be the case, USF has also exceeded 15K actual attendance each and every year as well.

I will readily admit, that USF's attendance leaves something to be desired. Playing in a 66K NFL stadium can make a 25K-30K crowd look really small, as does having the camera angle pointed towards the visitor's side at all times as it is in RJS.

Our largest home crowd this past season was around 44K vs. Cincinnati on 10/14 and looked really good. You really need at least 40K in an NFL stadium to not look extremely sparse on TV.

By the way, if you are seriously looking for USF actual turnstile attendance numbers, check Joey Knight of Tampa Bay Times twitter account, he sometimes posts turnstile numbers from the TSA.
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(01-16-2018 09:03 AM)MechaKnight Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Assuming their FCS opponent was their worst attended game, their reported attendance for Stony Brook was 26,460 while the actual attendance was 18,302.

The NCAA looks at the reported attendance which was well above the minimum, and even the actual number stayed above 15k. Still pretty awful opening game attendance for a team coming off it's best season ever, that had a pre-season ranking and was the favorite for the AAC title and a NY6 bowl bid

Wow! I didn’t realize the situation was that bad over there!

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(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

1. I love how every usf thread always brings up 2007.

2. Last 10 years are actually 2008-2017. Why was 2017 conveniently left out? Is it because UCF led the conference in attendance and it would hurt your argument?

3. Your administration can inflate the numbers all they want. There are these awesome things called pictures and videos that show otherwise.

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(01-16-2018 10:03 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

It's no use my friend. Facts are not welcome here.

It’s my thread... and yes they are.
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(01-16-2018 10:39 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

1. I love how every usf thread always brings up 2007.

2. Last 10 years are actually 2008-2017. Why was 2017 conveniently left out? Is it because UCF led the conference in attendance and it would hurt your argument?

3. Your administration can inflate the numbers all they want. There are these awesome things called pictures and videos that show otherwise.

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The only reason I left off 2017 is because the USF website hasn’t posted them and I didn’t feel like looking up a bunch of games and doing a bunch of math. No other reason. The last season they have attendance stats is 2016. All I was interested in doing is copying and pasting but you go ahead and believe what you want.
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(01-16-2018 10:39 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

1. I love how every usf thread always brings up 2007.

2. Last 10 years are actually 2008-2017. Why was 2017 conveniently left out? Is it because UCF led the conference in attendance and it would hurt your argument?

3. Your administration can inflate the numbers all they want. There are these awesome things called pictures and videos that show otherwise.

07-coffee3

His argument was that we both have always been over 15k. Why are you such a crusty *****?
You should be ecstatic USF exists. What else would you do with all your time if you weren't constantly obsessing with us?
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(01-16-2018 10:01 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 06:52 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?

No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark

It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Do you want to see pictures from your THREE winless seasons when their was literally nobody in your stadium?
3 winless seasons? I know if 2 in our history. And yes... i know we had bad attendance during a winless season... kinda goes with the territory lol. But as the team bounced back so did attendance.

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(01-17-2018 04:55 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 10:01 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 06:52 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark

It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Do you want to see pictures from your THREE winless seasons when their was literally nobody in your stadium?
3 winless seasons? I know if 2 in our history. And yes... i know we had bad attendance during a winless season... kinda goes with the territory lol. But as the team bounced back so did attendance.

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A winless UCF team outdrew USF by several thousand in 2015. Ha!
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(01-16-2018 02:30 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I'm not a big fan of the attendance requirement-- it's a very arbitrary metric that you do not see applied in any other sport. You see relegation based on results on the field/court, but nowhere do you see relegation based on the number of viewers to an athletic competition. Nobody is out on a soap box calling for Oregon State Men's Basketball to go down to Division II because they only averaged 4,900 a game last year.

It depends. Some apply for FBS, get there, and can't sustain everything that makes them FBS. Performance on the field is one thing but it's not fair when the Alabamas, Ohio States and Texases are paying the bills that a few FCS/D-II level schools come to leach off of them.

Access to the title is one thing, we all know that's rigged but there does need to be some defined set of standards as to what makes you D-I and what doesn't. A better idea is limiting the student subsidy amount allowed, as suddenly terrible schools would have to come up with more money from somewhere else to fund their athletic program.
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