(01-16-2018 10:54 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  According to a couple reports I found via Google: NCAA, FBS average attendance, these schools should or could be relegated after the past 2 seasons because they didn't meet the 15,000 attendance mark:

Akron
Ball St
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina*
Florida Atlantic
Kent St
Louisiana - Monroe
New Mexico St
Northern Illinois
San Jose St

*Gets a pass for 1st year of FBS (which was below 15,000)

Florida Atlantic will surely surpass the 15,000 mark with this season and next season combined.

Overall, the MAC had the worst attendance. Several were within 1,000 of the 15,000 mark.

I read an article about the 15,000 mark (sorry, I can no longer find it) and how it states that schools are allowed to allocate several thousand students towards that 15,000 number.

In other words, if you have a 5,000 seat student section you are 1/3 of the way there, regardless if any of the students actually go to the game.

In addition, they are also allowed to count comped tickets, tickets for boosters, tickets allocated for the band, tickets allocated for the away team, etc...

At the end of the day, I bet only 5000 tickets sold per game is all they end up needing.

I'm not a big fan of the attendance requirement-- it's a very arbitrary metric that you do not see applied in any other sport. You see relegation based on results on the field/court, but nowhere do you see relegation based on the number of viewers to an athletic competition. Nobody is out on a soap box calling for Oregon State Men's Basketball to go down to Division II because they only averaged 4,900 a game last year.

The Mac and probably half the Sun Belt, C-USA and Mountain West conference probably don’t meet the attendance requirements I’m guessing. Most of the schools in those four conferences will be part of the FCS in the next five years most likely.

Just for fun, I said "what if the minimum was 25,000?" Here's what I found: 83 schools would qualify. Using those 83 schools, how "super-conferences" could be aligned:

PAC
North: Colorado, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Washington, Washington St
West: Arizona, Arizona St, California, Stanford, UCLA, USC
East: Houston, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech

SEC
West: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
North: Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
East: Florida, Florida St, Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

B1G
South: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia
East: Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers
North: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan St, Northwestern, Purdue
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

AAC
West: Air Force, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, San Diego St
South: Army, Baylor, Memphis, Navy, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Appalachian St, Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, Temple, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

Independent: Notre Dame

I contemplated including Old Dominion even though they didn't meet the 25,000 mark because reports from last year and this year stated they hit their stadium capacity each season on average. That seemed too bizarre to believe, so I didn't.

(01-16-2018 12:53 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 10:54 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  According to a couple reports I found via Google: NCAA, FBS average attendance, these schools should or could be relegated after the past 2 seasons because they didn't meet the 15,000 attendance mark:

Akron
Ball St
Charlotte
Coastal Carolina*
Florida Atlantic
Kent St
Louisiana - Monroe
New Mexico St
Northern Illinois
San Jose St

*Gets a pass for 1st year of FBS (which was below 15,000)

Florida Atlantic will surely surpass the 15,000 mark with this season and next season combined.

Overall, the MAC had the worst attendance. Several were within 1,000 of the 15,000 mark.

I read an article about the 15,000 mark (sorry, I can no longer find it) and how it states that schools are allowed to allocate several thousand students towards that 15,000 number.

In other words, if you have a 5,000 seat student section you are 1/3 of the way there, regardless if any of the students actually go to the game.

In addition, they are also allowed to count comped tickets, tickets for boosters, tickets allocated for the band, tickets allocated for the away team, etc...

At the end of the day, I bet only 5000 tickets sold per game is all they end up needing.

I wouldn't be least bit surprised! Good thought

(01-16-2018 05:19 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  USF is the only school in this entire conference that has it's actual Butts in seats number published for all to see. USF has not once since going FBS fallen under 15k in actual attendance.

FYI here are the five worst Actual vs Announced attendance games in NCAA history. See if any teams look familiar;

"Davidson '97 (27,919 - 12,811, 45.89%)
Memphis '13 (30,831 - 14,795, 47.99%)
Charleston Southern '97 (25,361 - 12,226 48.21%)
Liberty '01 (21,056 - 10,288 48.86%)
SMU '13 (28,397 - 14,240 50.15%)"

I'm sick of the garbage on this site. There is so much trash flung at USF, it' makes this site unreadable. I simply can't come here often do to the continual bashing.

The fact that this site allows the continual attacks in it's conference forums while they have a smack board and fail to moderate the hate is beyond me.

I for one hope USF gets out of the AAC and into a Power Conference. I won't even come back to act smug. UCF is not the National Champion in Football. If you don't have the trophy, you're a poser.

FWIW, that Memphis one is not accurate. Tommy West's (2009) last game before he got canned was 4100 in attendance. I was at that game. I'm SURE that announced was well over 20,000.

(01-16-2018 05:19 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  USF is the only school in this entire conference that has it's actual Butts in seats number published for all to see. USF has not once since going FBS fallen under 15k in actual attendance.

FYI here are the five worst Actual vs Announced attendance games in NCAA history. See if any teams look familiar;

"Davidson '97 (27,919 - 12,811, 45.89%)
Memphis '13 (30,831 - 14,795, 47.99%)
Charleston Southern '97 (25,361 - 12,226 48.21%)
Liberty '01 (21,056 - 10,288 48.86%)
SMU '13 (28,397 - 14,240 50.15%)"

I'm sick of the garbage on this site. There is so much trash flung at USF, it' makes this site unreadable. I simply can't come here often do to the continual bashing.

The fact that this site allows the continual attacks in it's conference forums while they have a smack board and fail to moderate the hate is beyond me.

I for one hope USF gets out of the AAC and into a Power Conference. I won't even come back to act smug. UCF is not the National Champion in Football. If you don't have the trophy, you're a poser.

(01-16-2018 05:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  FWIW, that Memphis one is not accurate. Tommy West's (2009) last game before he got canned was 4100 in attendance. I was at that game. I'm SURE that announced was well over 20,000.

Wow... I must stand corrected. Actual attendance in the box score is listed as 4117. So, see USF fan? You're not the only team that reports actual butts in seats.

(01-16-2018 05:19 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  USF is the only school in this entire conference that has it's actual Butts in seats number published for all to see. USF has not once since going FBS fallen under 15k in actual attendance.

FYI here are the five worst Actual vs Announced attendance games in NCAA history. See if any teams look familiar;

"Davidson '97 (27,919 - 12,811, 45.89%)
Memphis '13 (30,831 - 14,795, 47.99%)
....

Imma need a source for that one. Please with sugar on top.

(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…

My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.

His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.

Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.

I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.

I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?

Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?

No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark

It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Do you want to see pictures from your THREE winless seasons when their was literally nobody in your stadium?

I have been a fan of Navy Football all my life. Navy joining the AAC has been the best thing I think that as ever happened to the Naval Academy. I have been a season ticket holder and when I haven't been, have been to many games over the years. Navy - Marine Corp Memorial Stadium seats 34,500. Attendance has been up since joining the AAC. We had a slight dip in 2016, but still had over 31,500/game, not counting the ND game or the Army game. 2017 the average was over 34,000/game. The rivalries are really taking off. When Navy plays Memphis or Houston, the crowds come. Playing UCF this year was the second highest drawing game after Air Force for the season. It was 3000 SRO over the seats. I love the AAC for what it has done to the excitement it brings Annapolis. This is a really good league, with really good institutions as members. I hope we stick together. We are light years ahead of the other non P6 conferences. Ciao bella

(01-16-2018 06:52 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…

My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.

His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.


I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.

I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?

Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?

No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark

It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Do you want to see pictures from your THREE winless seasons when their was literally nobody in your stadium?

Yes, please. I would love to see them since I might be able to spot myself in the crowd. Oh, and if you have pictures of the winless season in the early 80's then I am dutifully impressed.

(01-16-2018 04:07 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Just for fun, I said "what if the minimum was 25,000?" Here's what I found: 83 schools would qualify. Using those 83 schools, how "super-conferences" could be aligned:

PAC
North: Colorado, Oregon, Oregon St, Utah, Washington, Washington St
West: Arizona, Arizona St, California, Stanford, UCLA, USC
East: Houston, Kansas, Kansas St, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech

SEC
West: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
North: Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
East: Florida, Florida St, Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

B1G
South: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia
East: Maryland, Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Rutgers
North: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan St, Northwestern, Purdue
West: Iowa, Iowa St, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

AAC
West: Air Force, Boise St, BYU, Colorado St, Fresno St, San Diego St
South: Army, Baylor, Memphis, Navy, Southern Miss, UAB
East: Appalachian St, Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, Temple, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Cincinnati, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia

Independent: Notre Dame

I contemplated including Old Dominion even though they didn't meet the 25,000 mark because reports from last year and this year stated they hit their stadium capacity each season on average. That seemed too bizarre to believe, so I didn't.

They have. They always have a sellout

Guys, I'd like to make some corrections to my earlier post. In my exuberance, I misspoke earlier. Navy - Marine Corp Memorial Stadium seats 34,000 vice the 34,500 I said earlier. UCF was our third highest attended game (35,277) after USAFA (38,792) and SMU (36,157). Our season average to include the Military Bowl against UVA (35,921) was 34,950. Four out of the six games were above the number of seats available. The other two came close, with Tulane at (30,420) and Cincinnati at (33,134). Like I said earlier, the AAC has been really good for Navy and Navy has been good for the AAC. Thanks for your indulgences.

(01-16-2018 09:41 PM)USNA 77 Wrote:  Guys, I'd like to make some corrections to my earlier post. In my exuberance, I misspoke earlier. Navy - Marine Corp Memorial Stadium seats 34,000 vice the 34,500 I said earlier. UCF was our third highest attended game (35,277) after USAFA (38,792) and SMU (36,157). Our season average to include the Military Bowl against UVA (35,921) was 34,950. Four out of the six games were above the number of seats available. The other two came close, with Tulane at (30,420) and Cincinnati at (33,134). Like I said earlier, the AAC has been really good for Navy and Navy has been good for the AAC. Thanks for your indulgences.

What are your thoughts on inviting Army as a football only member ? It brings in the New York market but the Navy/Army game would have to be moved. Probably moved to Veterans Day weekend. It would lead to an odd number of teams but it wouldn't be a killer, IMO.

I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

(01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…

My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.

His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.

Quote:FBS schools must have an average home attendance of at least 15,000 (over a rolling two-year period). An FBS school must sponsor a minimum of 16 varsity intercollegiate teams (including football), with at least six men's or coeducational teams and at least eight all-female teams.

I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.

I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?

USF has never come close to averaging 15,000.

This is directly from the USF website. These are averages per year. Averages for USF football over their 21 year history have been between 26,000-53,000

http://gousfbulls.com/documents/2017/8/9...5_210_.pdf

USF’S TOP HOME ATTENDANCE SEASONS
BY AVERAGE ATTENDANCE
RANK AVERAGE YEAR GAMES ATTENDANCE
1. ................................53,170 ..................... 2007..........................6 .................................319,019
2. ................................52,553 ..................... 2009..........................6 .................................315,319
3. ................................49,690 ..................... 2008..........................6 .................................298,142
4. ................................44,550 ..................... 2011..........................7 .................................311,848
5. ................................44,130 ..................... 2012..........................6 .................................264,780
6. ................................40,849 ..................... 2010..........................7 .................................285,946
7. ................................38,865 ..................... 2005..........................5 .................................194,325
8. ................................37,539 ..................... 2016..........................7 .................................262,772
9. ................................34,702 ..................... 2013..........................7 .................................242,911
10. ................................33,038 ..................... 1997..........................7 .................................231,271
11. ................................30,694 ..................... 2014..........................7 .................................214,861
12. ................................30,511 ..................... 2003..........................6 .................................183,069
13. ................................30,222 ..................... 2006..........................6 .................................181,333
14. ................................27,143 ..................... 1998..........................7 .................................190,002
15. ................................27,060 ..................... 2004..........................6 .................................162,361

And here is the all time top 20 USF home football crowds. 12 crowds over 50,000, and no not all were against FSU or Miami. Now, granted a lot of those were in the Big East, so playing in a perceived power conference has a direct impact on attendance.

LARGEST HOME CROWDS
RANK ATTENDANCE OPPONENT DATE WINNER SCORE
1. 69,383.....................Florida St................. 9/29/12......................FSU ............................... 30-17
2. 67,012.....................West Virginia........... 9/28/07......................USF ............................... 21-13
3. 66,469.....................Miami ...................... 11/28/09....................UM................................. 31-10
4. 65,948.....................UCF......................... 10/13/07....................USF ............................... 64-12
5. 63,976.....................Cincinnati ................ 10/15/09....................UC ................................. 34-17
6. 61,665.....................Florida State............ 9/24/16......................FSU ............................... 55-35
7. 58,755.....................Kansas .................... 9/12/08......................USF ............................... 37-34
8. 57,379.....................Cincinnati ................ 11/3/07......................UC ................................. 38-33
9. 57,288.....................Louisville ................. 11/17/07....................USF ............................... 55-17
10. 56,328.....................West Virginia........... 10/30/09....................USF ............................... 30-19
11. 51,384.....................Syracuse ................. 10/18/08....................USF ............................... 45-13
12. 50,307.....................Pittsburgh................ 10/2/08......................Pitt ................................. 26-21
13. 49,388.....................Louisville ................. 11/21/09....................USF ............................... 34-22
14. 49,212.....................Kentucky Wesleyan 9/6/97* ......................USF ................................. 80-3
15. 48,058.....................UT-Martin ................ 8/30/08......................USF ................................. 56-7
16. 47,216.....................Rutgers ................... 11/15/08....................RU ................................. 49-16
17. 45,274.....................West Virginia........... 12/3/05......................WVU.............................. 28-13
18. 45,139.....................UCF......................... 9/17/05......................USF ............................... 31-14
19. 44,219.....................Rutgers ................... 9/13/12......................RU ................................. 23-13
20. 43,122.....................Florida A&M............ 9/10/05......................USF ................................. 37-3

(01-16-2018 06:52 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 08:43 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 07:48 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(01-16-2018 12:49 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-15-2018 09:27 PM)KnightNasty Wrote:  OK, I know that this is going to come off as smack talk, or lead to smack talk most likely… but that is not my intention. I have a genuine question about this, but I know that this leading to smack talk is probably unavoidable. So if it does, I want to apologize in advance if that is where this goes…

My question is about the FBS attendance requirement. I was on the main rivals message board, debating with an Alabama fan about the merits of a G5 team making the playoffs. They long have said that the “best” 4 teams should make the playoffs over others that may have proven more on the field by winning their conference, etc. However, when it comes to a G5 school, it’s not about whether they’re one of the best 4, but about what they have (or more accurately haven’t) proven during the season with their schedule. Of course this is hypocritical… which I pointed out.

His rebuttal was “should in FCS school then be allowed to make the playoffs if they are considered one of the best 4 teams”? I said no because they are in a different division and many of the FCS teams have chosen not to play in the same division of football. I then looked up the requirements to be FBS, and posted them saying that all G5 schools have actively choosen to meet these requirements so that they could be part of the FBS division.


I didn’t actually realize that average home attendance was part of the requirement to be FBS though. And based on an average of 15,000, I am genuinely curious if there is any concern for us as a conference, or USF directly about their attendance levels regarding this requirement?. I am not sure what numbers are used for this requirement, but it seemed that USF had less than this on average this year.

I have never heard of this ever happening so I’m not sure if it’s something to be concerned about or not... but is there any concern about USF losing their eligibility for FBS due to their low attendance? And if so, what can be done to prevent this or protect against this?

Wait, What? USF has attendance below 15,000?

No it was a weak troll job. We didn't have a single game under that mark

It wasn't a "troll job"... I was being genuine. There were multiple games that seemed to only have 5,000-10,000 in there. The game on Senior Day was practically empty. Are there published numbers of actual butts in seats? If I'm wrong, hey I'm wrong... and maybe it was more of an optical thing when looking at the crowd size, etc... but it seemed like there were multiple games under that 15,000 mark?

Do you want to see pictures from your THREE winless seasons when their was literally nobody in your stadium?

3 winless seasons? I know if 2 in our history. And yes... i know we had bad attendance during a winless season... kinda goes with the territory lol. But as the team bounced back so did attendance.

(01-16-2018 09:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I realize this was probably a troll attempt, but just in case it wasn't, the USF average attendance has never been below 26,000 per year, and is far, far, far from the lowest in AAC. Here is a historical look at both USF and UCF's average attendance.

Average attendance per year (10 year sample size).

2007 - USF 53,170, UCF 44018
2008 - USF 49,690, UCF 39596
2009 - USF 52,553, UCF 38078
2010 - USF 40,849, UCF 39614
2011 - USF 44,550, UCF 34282
2012 - USF 44,130, UCF 34608
2013 - USF 34,702, UCF 42084
2014 - USF 30,694, UCF 37812
2015 - USF 26,578, UCF 30065
2016 - USF 37,539, UCF 35802

10 year average: USF 41,446, UCF 37,596

Both USF and UCF are far, far over the 15,000 limit and both are in the extreme upper echelon of G so called 5 attendance historically. Both have had ups and downs, however, and are known to fall off in lean years. USF is hurt by playing in a 66K stadium making crowds look sparse, although it comes in handy when playing FSU, Miami, etc.

It's no use my friend. Facts are not welcome here.