Bobby Knight still alive?

(03-07-2018 04:47 PM)shock Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 04:07 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 12:33 PM)shock Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 06:57 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 11:18 PM)shock Wrote:  My bad. I thought schools in the AAC were committed to excellence. Hiring Dooley would be committing to mediocrity. But you’re right; he is marginally better than Lebo.

Let me ask you, then, what realistic candidates do you think we should pursue that would be "committing to excellence?" You'll be hard pressed to find another low to mid-major coach with his resume, including working 10 years as an assistant to one of the best coaches in the country with a national championship ring.

Dooley took over a 26-11 team and turned in seasons of 22-13, 22-14, 26-8, 23-11. Not a builder, he is a sustainer at best.
Earl Grant took over a 14-18 team and turned in 9-24, 17-14, 25-10, 26-7. Builder.
Steve Forbes took over a 16-14 team and turned in 24-12, 27-8, 25-9. Builder.

Lol you can't penalize Joe Dooley for taking over a job that isn't a dumpster fire. Was Roy Williams not a good coach at Kansas cause he took over after Larry Brown won a Natty? I guess he was just a sustainer at best. Or for that matter is Bill Self just a sustainer cause he took over after a 30-8 Roy Williams season?

That is just a flawed argument. The guy is averaging 23 wins a year, been to 5 straight post season tournaments and hasn't finished below 2nd in his conference. Give me a break.

Not to say the other two wouldn't be great choices here but to minimize the job Dooley has done at an otherwise obscure school is impressive. If anything Dooley is the builder, one great season from Andy Enfield does not constitute building something. Dooley won with Enfields kids and kept on winning once they were all his kids.

Biiiiiiggg difference in conference/program there. I get it though. We had programs like ECU in the Valley, too, who scoffed at effort. Hell, most of them just hired each others coaches when they were fired. Getting back with an ex though, I don’t think any of them cared that little.

I don't think we could land Earl Grant, not sure I love Forbes' grad transfer philosophy. What is your plan for ECU hoops?

Because I will tell you mine. Consistently out recruit the UNCWs, ODU's, A-10s, and Charlotte's in NC. We can do that, Dooley will do that imo. We do that, retain our rosters at a reasonable level, and blend in a high level transfer here in there. We will be an upper division AAC team more times than not imo.

Dooley is 2 time A-SUN coach of the year and a relentless recruiter. He is also familiar with the area which I think it's crucial. We would be lucky to have him.

Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

There could be all kinds of news coming from ECU by the weekend if the rumor mills are accurate.

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Then why aren’t they at FGCU?

(03-07-2018 09:52 PM)shock Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Then why aren’t they at FGCU?

ASun versus AAC?

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Not a chance

do you know who would be an amazing hire?

its too late now, ecu probably has a guy..but steve lavin would be amazing...

he is the former coach of ucla and st johns....his resume is amazing and he is off the radar so the price for him would reasonable
for ecu...
his resume at ucla was dominant..he was fired their for their extremely high expectations-- fired his only year not making a tourney despite making a sweet 16 5 of the last 6 years prior
he was fired at st johns because he wanted long term guarantees contract wise and st john didn't want that kind of commitment (was let go despite making the tourney)

he has made the ncaa or nit every single year he has coach besides that 1 year in ucla (11 years coaching)..fs1 anaylst now

(03-07-2018 09:52 PM)shock Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Then why aren’t they at FGCU?

Less to recruit to, those guys didn't want to leave NC, they just weren't recruit to the NC ACC schools. Bowman wanted to come to ECU, Lebo didn't take his commitment. Clark I am not 100% on, but we would start getting a lot more of him and Moorman's at ECU if Dooley is in town.

(03-08-2018 01:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  do you know who would be an amazing hire?

its too late now, ecu probably has a guy..but steve lavin would be amazing...

he is the former coach of ucla and st johns....his resume is amazing and he is off the radar so the price for him would reasonable
for ecu...
his resume at ucla was dominant..he was fired their for their extremely high expectations-- fired his only year not making a tourney despite making a sweet 16 5 of the last 6 years prior
he was fired at st johns because he wanted long term guarantees contract wise and st john didn't want that kind of commitment (was let go despite making the tourney)

he has made the ncaa or nit every single year he has coach besides that 1 year in ucla (11 years coaching)..fs1 anaylst now

Nope, city guy and a retread. Our last 3 coaches have the same thing in common, fired from prior job. We need a guy that has proven he can win with less, wants to be here, isn't already rolling in $, a recruiter, and identifier of talent. Familiarity with NC Is a plus as well.

(03-08-2018 01:36 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Not a chance

What makes you say that? You think these kids wanted to leave NC for college?

(03-08-2018 06:56 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:36 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Not a chance

What makes you say that? You think these kids wanted to leave NC for college?

Amazing how many ECU basketball experts there are on this board isn't it? Considering David West was committed to Dooley before he got fired at ECU I don't think he would have an issue getting a 3 star guard from an hour away here, it was pretty well known that Bowman wanted to be at ECU.

Not sure about the Clark deal. He had a lot of good offers.

(03-08-2018 01:36 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:41 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  Let me add to my statement that I believe guys like Gary Clark and Kyran Bowman would be playing in Greenville with Joe Dooley in charge.

Not a chance

You don't know what the Hell you are writing about. Gary Clark actually visited ECU and lives near the campus, but Lebo has the personality of wet paint and could not get the kid to commit.

Here is the actual story on Ky Bowman recruitment:

"Ky Bowman had every intention on playing basketball at East Carolina.

The Pirates were the first Division-I program to provide the high-flying Havelock native a scholarship offer.

Bowman, now shining in his freshman year at Boston College, wanted to commit to ECU in August ahead of his senior year of high school.

“(Kyran) called and texted me and said I want to be a Pirate,” said Havelock basketball coach Daniel Griffee. “I told him to call Coach (Jeff) Lebo and I thought it would be a good choice. He told me he called coach Lebo and (assistant) Coach (Ken) Potosnak and neither one of them answered the phone or returned his text.

“He tried to commit but neither one of them answered the phone.”

Bowman was turned down, denied and wasn’t on the radar for most of the in-state schools.

The 6-foot-1 guard is showing those programs what they are missing out on...

“East Carolina was the first school that offered him. They offered him in May of his junior year and they recruited him pretty heavy. He actually wanted to commit to East Carolina,” Griffee said.

“It kind of went quiet from September to February.”"

http://www.newbernsj.com/sports/20170125...ing-on-him

Gary Clark and ECU DL Demage Bailey were high school teammates and friends... Not saying we definitely could have landed Clark, but a good recruiter would have had a shot.

(03-08-2018 06:53 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  do you know who would be an amazing hire?

its too late now, ecu probably has a guy..but steve lavin would be amazing...

he is the former coach of ucla and st johns....his resume is amazing and he is off the radar so the price for him would reasonable
for ecu...
his resume at ucla was dominant..he was fired their for their extremely high expectations-- fired his only year not making a tourney despite making a sweet 16 5 of the last 6 years prior
he was fired at st johns because he wanted long term guarantees contract wise and st john didn't want that kind of commitment (was let go despite making the tourney)

he has made the ncaa or nit every single year he has coach besides that 1 year in ucla (11 years coaching)..fs1 anaylst now

Nope, city guy and a retread. Our last 3 coaches have the same thing in common, fired from prior job. We need a guy that has proven he can win with less, wants to be here, isn't already rolling in $, a recruiter, and identifier of talent. Familiarity with NC Is a plus as well.

only one of your last 3 coaches were fired from their prior job,lebo...

the other 2 were successfull mid-majors, 1 from Chattanooga and 1 from drexel...what are you talkng about..i just googled to make sure..did you just make up this stat
and you cant compare lebo to lavin .lebo has never made the tourney in 20 years...lavin made the tourney 8 of his 11 years, nit in 2 of the 3 others

now to address your points...i hope for ecu's sake they dont have your mentatilty

1) what did all 3 of your last head coaches have in common, proved they could win with less in mid majors....all were horrible when then they stepped up in competition and couldnt handle it...

elite retread is the BEST option for ecu..similar to houston and smu....you need someone who knows what it takes to win on a consistent basis in the highest level and has little chance of leaving and the only answer is retread.....

get out of the football mentality, retread in football are the worst...in basketball they are the key to success, i can name a dozen programs built in retreads in basketball...sdsu, smu, auburn, houstons revival, nevada , texas tech (with tubby)
they have bee there and they know what it takes to get there

andd you cant claim some kind of downward spiral, he was fired when winning...he was fired on a contract dispute

(03-08-2018 10:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 06:53 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  do you know who would be an amazing hire?

its too late now, ecu probably has a guy..but steve lavin would be amazing...

he is the former coach of ucla and st johns....his resume is amazing and he is off the radar so the price for him would reasonable
for ecu...
his resume at ucla was dominant..he was fired their for their extremely high expectations-- fired his only year not making a tourney despite making a sweet 16 5 of the last 6 years prior
he was fired at st johns because he wanted long term guarantees contract wise and st john didn't want that kind of commitment (was let go despite making the tourney)

he has made the ncaa or nit every single year he has coach besides that 1 year in ucla (11 years coaching)..fs1 anaylst now

Nope, city guy and a retread. Our last 3 coaches have the same thing in common, fired from prior job. We need a guy that has proven he can win with less, wants to be here, isn't already rolling in $, a recruiter, and identifier of talent. Familiarity with NC Is a plus as well.

only one of your last 3 coaches were fired from their prior job,lebo...

the other 2 were successfull mid-majors, 1 from Chattanooga and 1 from drexel...what are you talkng about..i just googled to make sure..did you just make up this stat
and you cant compare lebo to lavin .lebo has never made the tourney in 20 years...lavin made the tourney 8 of his 11 years, nit in 2 of the 3 others

now to address your points...i hope for ecu's sake they dont have your mentatilty

1) what did all 3 of your last head coaches have in common, proved they could win with less in mid majors....all were horrible when then they stepped up in competition and couldnt handle it...

elite retread is the BEST option for ecu..similar to houston and smu....you need someone who knows what it takes to win on a consistent basis in the highest level and has little chance of leaving and the only answer is retread.....

get out of the football mentality, retread in football are the worst...in basketball they are the key to success, i can name a dozen programs built in retreads in basketball...sdsu, smu, auburn, houstons revival, nevada , texas tech (with tubby)
they have bee there and they know what it takes to get there

andd you cant claim some kind of downward spiral, he was fired when winning...he was fired on a contract dispute

Jeff Lebo fired from Auburn, Mac MCcarthy was fired from VCU, and Ricky Stokes fired Va Tech.

I take Dooley, Grant, Moton, or even the guy at Radford over these Retreads.

(03-08-2018 11:21 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 10:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 06:53 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  do you know who would be an amazing hire?

its too late now, ecu probably has a guy..but steve lavin would be amazing...

he is the former coach of ucla and st johns....his resume is amazing and he is off the radar so the price for him would reasonable
for ecu...
his resume at ucla was dominant..he was fired their for their extremely high expectations-- fired his only year not making a tourney despite making a sweet 16 5 of the last 6 years prior
he was fired at st johns because he wanted long term guarantees contract wise and st john didn't want that kind of commitment (was let go despite making the tourney)

he has made the ncaa or nit every single year he has coach besides that 1 year in ucla (11 years coaching)..fs1 anaylst now

Nope, city guy and a retread. Our last 3 coaches have the same thing in common, fired from prior job. We need a guy that has proven he can win with less, wants to be here, isn't already rolling in $, a recruiter, and identifier of talent. Familiarity with NC Is a plus as well.

only one of your last 3 coaches were fired from their prior job,lebo...

the other 2 were successfull mid-majors, 1 from Chattanooga and 1 from drexel...what are you talkng about..i just googled to make sure..did you just make up this stat
and you cant compare lebo to lavin .lebo has never made the tourney in 20 years...lavin made the tourney 8 of his 11 years, nit in 2 of the 3 others

now to address your points...i hope for ecu's sake they dont have your mentatilty

1) what did all 3 of your last head coaches have in common, proved they could win with less in mid majors....all were horrible when then they stepped up in competition and couldnt handle it...

elite retread is the BEST option for ecu..similar to houston and smu....you need someone who knows what it takes to win on a consistent basis in the highest level and has little chance of leaving and the only answer is retread.....

get out of the football mentality, retread in football are the worst...in basketball they are the key to success, i can name a dozen programs built in retreads in basketball...sdsu, smu, auburn, houstons revival, nevada , texas tech (with tubby)
they have bee there and they know what it takes to get there

andd you cant claim some kind of downward spiral, he was fired when winning...he was fired on a contract dispute

Jeff Lebo fired from Auburn, Mac MCcarthy was fired from VCU, and Ricky Stokes fired Va Tech.

I take Dooley, Grant, Moton, or even the guy at Radford over these Retreads.

mack mccarthy wasnt fired vcu wanted him, he quit for perosnal reasons

lol i didnt notice ricky stokes becuase his tenure was so short...i had Bill Herrion

dooley is also technically a retread..as he has been fired from ecu before
moton is current 15-15 in a lower tier league and has a total of 2 successful seasons in 9 years
radford's head coach's resume is just as bad as lebos

which grant are you talking about

blind test who would you hire

option 1 - 2 ncaa in 9 years, 1 win
option 2- 7 ncaas in 11 years, 4 sweet 16s, 1 elite 8
option 3- 2 ncaas in 8 years - 0 wins
option 4 - 1 ncaa in 6 year- 0 wins

who do you take

and funny enough the radford guy and moton would level ecu t the firt sign of success.. youd be coach training for bigger programs, yod sped 3 years building up ecu and your first tourney he'd be gone just to start all over .. the guy with the best resume isnt going anywhere even if he has success

2 successful seasons in 9 years? I can certainly understand thinking Moton wouldn’t be a good hire but don’t make things up. 3 conference championships and a 2nd place in which he went 15-1. His first 2 years were as an Independent. Good luck finding a coach who can succeed in that scenario.

ECU's next Basketball Coach?

Check the local high schools. Just sayin'...


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(03-08-2018 11:48 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 11:21 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 10:51 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 06:53 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  

(03-08-2018 01:59 AM)pesik Wrote:  do you know who would be an amazing hire?

its too late now, ecu probably has a guy..but steve lavin would be amazing...

he is the former coach of ucla and st johns....his resume is amazing and he is off the radar so the price for him would reasonable
for ecu...
his resume at ucla was dominant..he was fired their for their extremely high expectations-- fired his only year not making a tourney despite making a sweet 16 5 of the last 6 years prior
he was fired at st johns because he wanted long term guarantees contract wise and st john didn't want that kind of commitment (was let go despite making the tourney)

he has made the ncaa or nit every single year he has coach besides that 1 year in ucla (11 years coaching)..fs1 anaylst now

Nope, city guy and a retread. Our last 3 coaches have the same thing in common, fired from prior job. We need a guy that has proven he can win with less, wants to be here, isn't already rolling in $, a recruiter, and identifier of talent. Familiarity with NC Is a plus as well.

only one of your last 3 coaches were fired from their prior job,lebo...

the other 2 were successfull mid-majors, 1 from Chattanooga and 1 from drexel...what are you talkng about..i just googled to make sure..did you just make up this stat
and you cant compare lebo to lavin .lebo has never made the tourney in 20 years...lavin made the tourney 8 of his 11 years, nit in 2 of the 3 others

now to address your points...i hope for ecu's sake they dont have your mentatilty

1) what did all 3 of your last head coaches have in common, proved they could win with less in mid majors....all were horrible when then they stepped up in competition and couldnt handle it...

elite retread is the BEST option for ecu..similar to houston and smu....you need someone who knows what it takes to win on a consistent basis in the highest level and has little chance of leaving and the only answer is retread.....

get out of the football mentality, retread in football are the worst...in basketball they are the key to success, i can name a dozen programs built in retreads in basketball...sdsu, smu, auburn, houstons revival, nevada , texas tech (with tubby)
they have bee there and they know what it takes to get there

andd you cant claim some kind of downward spiral, he was fired when winning...he was fired on a contract dispute

Jeff Lebo fired from Auburn, Mac MCcarthy was fired from VCU, and Ricky Stokes fired Va Tech.

I take Dooley, Grant, Moton, or even the guy at Radford over these Retreads.

mack mccarthy wasnt fired vcu wanted him, he quit for perosnal reasons

lol i didnt notice ricky stokes becuase his tenure was so short...i had Bill Herrion

dooley is also technically a retread..as he has been fired from ecu before
moton is current 15-15 in a lower tier league and has a total of 2 successful seasons in 9 years
radford's head coach's resume is just as bad as lebos

which grant are you talking about

blind test who would you hire

option 1 - 2 ncaa in 9 years, 1 win
option 2- 7 ncaas in 11 years, 4 sweet 16s, 1 elite 8
option 3- 2 ncaas in 8 years - 0 wins
option 4 - 1 ncaa in 6 year- 0 wins

who do you take

and funny enough the radford guy and moton would level ecu t the firt sign of success.. youd be coach training for bigger programs, yod sped 3 years building up ecu and your first tourney he'd be gone just to start all over .. the guy with the best resume isnt going anywhere even if he has success

Mac was forced out at VCU, we can use euphemisms for what happened but he is a retread. Dooley is the right fit for right now imo. The recruiting landscape in NC is ripe for the picking to turn us into a winner. Joe Dooley will do that.