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It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Give Wake Forest UNC instead and you might have a deal...
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?


I would love such a setup. I was excited about being able to play Miami and VT again when it was first announced that SU was coming to the ACC. I would rather SU played those teams more regularly than we do. This setup would certainly accomplish that.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 09:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Give Wake Forest UNC instead and you might have a deal...
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I was thinking the same thing. But the fact remains that this has always been a possibility, and it has never flown before. What's different now?
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 09:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this is insane. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Give Wake Forest UNC instead and you might have a deal...
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I was thinking the same thing. But the fact remains that this has always been a possibility, and it has never flown before. What's different now?

It will be hard to break the UNC vs UVA game even though I think the tradition argument. However the simplest solution, move Louisville to Atlantic and UVA to coastal. UNC vs UVA annual rival is gone but they could choose to schedule OOC if they want to keep it so bad. Clemson vs GT would be gone as well but it provides a much more balance of the typically who the power schools that play each other.

FSU - Miami
NCSU - UNC
Wake - Duke
UVA - VT
Clemson - Louisville
BC - GT
SYC - Pitt

I would not mind switching BC and GT because historically they fit better in the other divisions, but because Wake and GT seem committed to the Triple option, not sure the ACC would want both in the same Div.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Wake Forest has more players from Florida, with the exception of Florida State or Miami, than anyone else in the conference. If you try to separate them from their recruiting grounds, they will start making phone calls for help, and they know where all of the skeletons are buried.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
I like this too. I believe this needs to happen time to time in every conference, maybe every 8 - 12 years.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 01:22 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Wake Forest has more players from Florida, with the exception of Florida State or Miami, than anyone else in the conference. If you try to separate them from their recruiting grounds, they will start making phone calls for help, and they know where all of the skeletons are buried.

He put Wake with Miami.

Also, if this came along with a 9 game schedule, you could come up with a schedule where Wake would play all 3 NC schools if they would agree to being in the mostly private school division. (9 games for the ACC probably only happens if the SEC does it too).
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 11:03 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this is insane. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Give Wake Forest UNC instead and you might have a deal...
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I was thinking the same thing. But the fact remains that this has always been a possibility, and it has never flown before. What's different now?

It will be hard to break the UNC vs UVA game even though I think the tradition argument. However the simplest solution, move Louisville to Atlantic and UVA to coastal. UNC vs UVA annual rival is gone but they could choose to schedule OOC if they want to keep it so bad. Clemson vs GT would be gone as well but it provides a much more balance of the typically who the power schools that play each other.

FSU - Miami
NCSU - UNC
Wake - Duke
UVA - VT
Clemson - Louisville
BC - GT
SYC - Pitt

I would not mind switching BC and GT because historically they fit better in the other divisions, but because Wake and GT seem committed to the Triple option, not sure the ACC would want both in the same Div.

This works better for me:

Clemson-Georgia Tech
NC State-Duke
Virginia Tech-UVa
Wake Forest-Carolina
Florida State-Miami
Pitt-Syracuse
Louisville-Boston College
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 02:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 11:03 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this is insane. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Give Wake Forest UNC instead and you might have a deal...
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I was thinking the same thing. But the fact remains that this has always been a possibility, and it has never flown before. What's different now?

It will be hard to break the UNC vs UVA game even though I think the tradition argument. However the simplest solution, move Louisville to Atlantic and UVA to coastal. UNC vs UVA annual rival is gone but they could choose to schedule OOC if they want to keep it so bad. Clemson vs GT would be gone as well but it provides a much more balance of the typically who the power schools that play each other.

FSU - Miami
NCSU - UNC
Wake - Duke
UVA - VT
Clemson - Louisville
BC - GT
SYC - Pitt

I would not mind switching BC and GT because historically they fit better in the other divisions, but because Wake and GT seem committed to the Triple option, not sure the ACC would want both in the same Div.

This works better for me:

Clemson-Georgia Tech
NC State-Duke
Virginia Tech-UVa
Wake Forest-Carolina
Florida State-Miami
Pitt-Syracuse
Louisville-Boston College

Yeah or just swap Virginia Tech with Syracuse and create a true zipper.

I like that our leaders have scheduled Wake out of conference.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
I don't think we need to realign the divisions. Increasing the playing frequency is achieved by scheduling conference teams as non-conference opponents (see UNC-Wake). This doesn't work for most teams in the conference, but let's say if FSU or Clemson want to play VT more often than once every 6 years they can.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 02:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 11:03 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:17 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 09:00 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 08:51 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  I believe divisions should protect and encourage rivalries, most of which are regional and/or historical. With that in mind, what if the ACC had Atlantic and East divisions containing the old ACC and old Big East, respectively?

East: BC, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville, VT, Miami, WF
Atlantic: UNC, NCSU, Duke, UVa, Clemson, GT, FSU

WF is in the East because there isn’t a 7th former Big East team and they would be taking one for the team by doing this is insane. The only permanent cross division rivalries that would be preserved would be FSU-Miami and UVa-VT. WF might want Duke too. The B1G has a similar setup in which Purdue-Indiana is the only permanent cross division rivalry. I’d guess VT wouldn’t like this setup, but why not discuss anyway?

Give Wake Forest UNC instead and you might have a deal...
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I was thinking the same thing. But the fact remains that this has always been a possibility, and it has never flown before. What's different now?

It will be hard to break the UNC vs UVA game even though I think the tradition argument. However the simplest solution, move Louisville to Atlantic and UVA to coastal. UNC vs UVA annual rival is gone but they could choose to schedule OOC if they want to keep it so bad. Clemson vs GT would be gone as well but it provides a much more balance of the typically who the power schools that play each other.

FSU - Miami
NCSU - UNC
Wake - Duke
UVA - VT
Clemson - Louisville
BC - GT
SYC - Pitt

I would not mind switching BC and GT because historically they fit better in the other divisions, but because Wake and GT seem committed to the Triple option, not sure the ACC would want both in the same Div.

This works better for me:

Clemson-Georgia Tech
NC State-Duke
Virginia Tech-UVa
Wake Forest-Carolina
Florida State-Miami
Pitt-Syracuse
Louisville-Boston College

This works better for me:

Clemson- NC State
Georgia Tech-Duke
Virginia Tech-UVa
Miami-Wake Forest
Florida State-Carolina
Pitt-Syracuse
Louisville-Boston College

Have 1 good division.
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It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
Atlantic/Coastal

Miami/FSU
Louisville/Clemson
VT/Virginia
NC State/NC
Pittsburgh/GT
Syracuse/Duke
BC/WF



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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
UNC
Duke
State
Wake
UVA
VT
GT

Other guys

Perfect.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 06:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  UNC
Duke
State
Wake
UVA
VT
GT

Other guys

Perfect.

We don't need no stinking Wuffies!



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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 02:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  This works better for me:

BEER division - WINE division
Clemson ------ Georgia Tech
NC State ------ Duke
Virginia Tech -- UVa
Wake Forest --- Carolina
Florida State -- Miami
Pitt ------------- Syracuse
Louisville ------ Boston College
04-cheers ------- 04-wine

FIFY
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 07:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2018 02:47 PM)XLance Wrote:  This works better for me:

BEER division - WINE division
Clemson ------ Georgia Tech
NC State ------ Duke
Virginia Tech -- UVa
Wake Forest --- Carolina
Florida State -- Miami
Pitt ------------- Syracuse
Louisville ------ Boston College
04-cheers ------- 04-wine

FIFY

Boston College drink wine???
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
The problem with all these scenarios is trying to balance the power. If you balance it for one sport another is out of balance.

I'm all for protecting rivalries but creating an oBE division is like having 2 conferences. Why bother.
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(01-21-2018 08:37 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  The problem with all these scenarios is trying to balance the power. If you balance it for one sport another is out of balance.

I'm all for protecting rivalries but creating an oBE division is like having 2 conferences. Why bother.

see post #14.
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RE: It’s been a while, but another division realignment thread
(01-21-2018 06:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  UNC
Duke
State
Wake
UVA
VT
GT

Other guys

Perfect.

Saddest thing is even with the advantages this division would give you UNC would likely only win it once a decade out of sheer incompetence. VT, GT, and Wake would be the top three.
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