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(01-22-2018 09:30 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 09:12 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  and they still have to go play @Temple, @Memphis, @Cincy, @SMU, and @UCF

their introduction to life in the AAC is not yet complete...then comes the AAC Tourney.

should be fun!

Wow! The AAC must be an INCREDIBLE league!!!!1111 Why has the AAC been giving up 5 NCAA tourney spots to the Big Pee before Wichita State joined if it was so strong?

"Wichita State doesn't take a backseat to anybody in this league. They would be at the top of anybody's league, forget this league. They would be in the top of any league they played in. They are 1, 2, or 3 in any league in America." -Kelvin Sampson 1/4/18

"Let's not take anything away from how good they are. That's a really good basketball team. It's the best team we've played… -Kelvin Sampson 1/4/18

"This is the first time I've seen Shamet play. He's the real deal. The kid's the best player I've seen this year. They don't make them like him very often. He's really, really good... He's different than everybody else—by far the best player on the floor." -Kelvin Sampson 1/4/18


If our losses were on account of getting thumped by a "power league", SMU and Houston would be in the top 25 right now - or at least knocking on the door. That isn't the case. Do you think Illinois State jumped into the top 25 when they beat us? Or Evansville? Of course not.

So I ask the good fans of AAC schools again... what do you think has happened to my beloved "Final-Four-bound" Shockers?

This problem should concern everyone. Stop blowing off the question. We have brought more notoriety to this league in our first year than you've enjoyed since 2014. Now everybody in the media is like WTF?!

This is embarrassing guys!

Please Help!


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listen to Sampsons comment in context.. i was going to make a thread before about sampson's pregame analysis before our first game. he wasn't impressed. i decided not to post them in case it came back to bite houston in the butt..luckily i didn't because you blew us out the first time

sampson loves shamet, he is less than impressed with anyone else on your roster...
in the pregame analysis of the first game, he praised shamet as elite but said nothing about anyone else to that level. but also made comments that "they are good at what at what they are good at and do certain things very well". and a few seconds later he felt houston would beat them if we played well. he made it seem like wsu was a niche team with 1 elite player. in essence the summary was they know how to get second chance points when they arent playing good and shamet is good.. in comparison look at his lsu preview, he was talking about how good they are 1 through 5, he hadnt seem a team with talent t ever position group..or Arkansas was deep at every guard position.

he gave Wichita credit but he wasnt blowing you guys up into some elite team like you want to believe
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I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.
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(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.


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(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.

You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.
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(01-22-2018 09:58 PM)payday Wrote:  Hmmm. Didn’t Katz just provide UC some publicity? Didn’t ESPiN just do a half hour special on Cronin? The bearcats get publicity every season. It’s back again as the shiny new object in the League isn’t so shiny anymore. It’s also what happens when you’re an All Time Top 10 program. Get used to it.

You're so gullible.
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(01-22-2018 10:19 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.


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(01-22-2018 10:25 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.

You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.

I blame Henderson. He totally should have nailed that game tying three.
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(01-22-2018 10:43 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:25 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.

You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.

I blame Henderson. He totally should have nailed that game tying three.

You still would've lost in overtime.
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RE: What's wrong with Wichita State Basketball?
Problem with the team? Nah.

I’d say the problem is with the fans.

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(01-22-2018 10:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Good God this thread. Nothing is wrong with Wichita State. They aren't as good on defense as many thought and they lost a couple of games against good teams. They are still capable of what we saw against Houston. I still think they'll go on another run and that they're a top 15 type team. Relax.

Convince their fans of that. They are the ones who think the wheels came completely off. It has to be their suckage, not the idea that other teams here are pretty decent.
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(01-22-2018 10:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:43 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:25 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.

You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.

I blame Henderson. He totally should have nailed that game tying three.

You still would've lost in overtime.

Just like y'all are gonna win this league?
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(01-22-2018 11:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Good God this thread. Nothing is wrong with Wichita State. They aren't as good on defense as many thought and they lost a couple of games against good teams. They are still capable of what we saw against Houston. I still think they'll go on another run and that they're a top 15 type team. Relax.

Convince their fans of that. They are the ones who think the wheels came completely off. It has to be their suckage, not the idea that other teams here are pretty decent.

And Ken Pomeroy
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(01-22-2018 11:15 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Good God this thread. Nothing is wrong with Wichita State. They aren't as good on defense as many thought and they lost a couple of games against good teams. They are still capable of what we saw against Houston. I still think they'll go on another run and that they're a top 15 type team. Relax.

Convince their fans of that. They are the ones who think the wheels came completely off. It has to be their suckage, not the idea that other teams here are pretty decent.

And Ken Pomeroy

Why cherry pick? Look at all 65 or so rankings and see what you see.

But at least you have a season long excuse. With every new loss, you can always say, "We suck. It can't possibly be a change in conference."

Even though you brought back the same damn team from last season. I'm done. You guys are hopeless.
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(01-22-2018 11:12 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:43 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:25 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.

You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.

I blame Henderson. He totally should have nailed that game tying three.

You still would've lost in overtime.

Just like y'all are gonna win this league?

Don't get testy about it.
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(01-22-2018 11:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:15 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Good God this thread. Nothing is wrong with Wichita State. They aren't as good on defense as many thought and they lost a couple of games against good teams. They are still capable of what we saw against Houston. I still think they'll go on another run and that they're a top 15 type team. Relax.

Convince their fans of that. They are the ones who think the wheels came completely off. It has to be their suckage, not the idea that other teams here are pretty decent.

And Ken Pomeroy

Why cherry pick? Look at all 65 or so rankings and see what you see.

But at least you have a season long excuse. With every new loss, you can always say, "We suck. It can't possibly be a change in conference."

Even though you brought back the same damn team from last season. I'm done. You guys are hopeless.

Because Pomeroy is what I use for pretty much every thing? And it’s the easiest metric to compare previous year ratings against? And it’s generally accepted as the best analytic site?
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(01-22-2018 11:23 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:15 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:13 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Good God this thread. Nothing is wrong with Wichita State. They aren't as good on defense as many thought and they lost a couple of games against good teams. They are still capable of what we saw against Houston. I still think they'll go on another run and that they're a top 15 type team. Relax.

Convince their fans of that. They are the ones who think the wheels came completely off. It has to be their suckage, not the idea that other teams here are pretty decent.

And Ken Pomeroy

Why cherry pick? Look at all 65 or so rankings and see what you see.

But at least you have a season long excuse. With every new loss, you can always say, "We suck. It can't possibly be a change in conference."

Even though you brought back the same damn team from last season. I'm done. You guys are hopeless.

Because Pomeroy is what I use for pretty much every thing? And it’s the easiest metric to compare previous year ratings against? And it’s generally accepted as the best analytic site?

Like I said...you guys are really getting to the point that I'm starting to pull for you to lose every game. Which is a shame, since I was really excited when you were added to the conference.

I have a feeling I'm not alone here.
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(01-22-2018 11:25 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:23 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:15 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 11:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Convince their fans of that. They are the ones who think the wheels came completely off. It has to be their suckage, not the idea that other teams here are pretty decent.

And Ken Pomeroy

Why cherry pick? Look at all 65 or so rankings and see what you see.

But at least you have a season long excuse. With every new loss, you can always say, "We suck. It can't possibly be a change in conference."

Even though you brought back the same damn team from last season. I'm done. You guys are hopeless.

Because Pomeroy is what I use for pretty much every thing? And it’s the easiest metric to compare previous year ratings against? And it’s generally accepted as the best analytic site?

Like I said...you guys are really getting to the point that I'm starting to pull for you to lose every game. Which is a shame, since I was really excited when you were added to the conference.

I have a feeling I'm not alone here.

You asked a question I answered it. If you would like to provide 65 links to different metrics that have an easy to use navigation system that allows me to look at previous years, I would be more than happy to compile comparisons for you. As it stands now I just spent five minutes trying to find Wichita State’s Sagarin ranking from last year and couldn’t do it.
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(01-22-2018 11:20 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
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(01-22-2018 10:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:43 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:25 PM)AndShock Wrote:  You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.

I blame Henderson. He totally should have nailed that game tying three.

You still would've lost in overtime.

Just like y'all are gonna win this league?

Don't get testy about it.

lol
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(01-22-2018 10:56 PM)ShockerFever Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:43 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:25 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(01-22-2018 10:14 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I'm just waiting for someone to tell me what was wrong with Tulsa when we lost to WSU. I mean, WSU is obviously not that good considering their recent defeats. So it must have been something about Tulsa. What was it guys? Please help. We're a powerhouse on the decline it seems.

You’re almost there. Tulsa only losing by 3 means there was something wrong with someone in that game.

I blame Henderson. He totally should have nailed that game tying three.

You still would've lost in overtime.

Actually Henderson’s three would have given us the lead. It was Taplin’s shot that would have lead to OT if it had gone in.
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RE: What's wrong with Wichita State Basketball?
Actually, realtimerpi.com had Wichita State losing at Houston. The only miss was it didn't predict a 14 point loss (I think it was a 3 point loss).

Currently, realtime shows Wichita losing the following;

at Temple by 4
at Memphis by 3
at Cincinnati by 18
at SMU by 7
at UCF by 6
Cincinnati by 1

See a trend? Road games vs. top 100 rpi teams are not a gimme. Personally, I don't see losses to Memphis or UCF but the others are very real.
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