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Robots/AI - The Future
How do people see AI affecting the future for humans? Is it a positive or negative development?

One one hand, I can't imagine trying to slow down human progress with technology. I don't want to be the guy plowing the field with the donkey shaking his fist st the guy riding on the tractor.

On the other hand, AI is a whole other type of animal. The way I'm seeing it, we could basically make most humans not necessary. AI will not only be able to take away most blue collar jobs, but would take away a ton of administrative/office type jobs in fields such accounting, finance, HR, secretaries, etc. AI could even be in the medical field replacing surgeons, nurses, and doctors.

That all sounds great and all, but this kind of makes humans obsolete doesn't it? Do the robots eventually see us as not necessary?

There's lots to think abouthat on this subject and it appears.to be moving more rapid by the day. I read something recently predicting truck drivers could be out of work in 5 or 10 years.

Is this bad or good? I'm not sure I can answer that honestly right now. I want to say it is bad, but hoping someone smarter can tell me why it's good.
 
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Is this really what you're pondering at 6am on a Friday?
 
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(01-26-2018 07:55 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  Is this really what you're pondering at 6am on a Friday?

Yes. I had a robot dream and needed to share my thoughts on robots.
 
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Ha I'm just giving you a hard time. I haven't had enough coffee yet today to contribute to the discussion, but maybe I'll check back in later. We have some smart people on this board who might have some takes.
 
01-26-2018 08:14 AM
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(01-26-2018 06:04 AM)jarr Wrote:  How do people see AI affecting the future for humans? Is it a positive or negative development?

One one hand, I can't imagine trying to slow down human progress with technology. I don't want to be the guy plowing the field with the donkey shaking his fist st the guy riding on the tractor.

On the other hand, AI is a whole other type of animal. The way I'm seeing it, we could basically make most humans not necessary. AI will not only be able to take away most blue collar jobs, but would take away a ton of administrative/office type jobs in fields such accounting, finance, HR, secretaries, etc. AI could even be in the medical field replacing surgeons, nurses, and doctors.

That all sounds great and all, but this kind of makes humans obsolete doesn't it? Do the robots eventually see us as not necessary?

There's lots to think abouthat on this subject and it appears.to be moving more rapid by the day. I read something recently predicting truck drivers could be out of work in 5 or 10 years.

Is this bad or good? I'm not sure I can answer that honestly right now. I want to say it is bad, but hoping someone smarter can tell me why it's good.



AI lacks conceptual thought, there is then no such thing as "true AI" and because of that, humanity will still be needed for the creative/innovative aspect of things. Really, I see AI as eliminating the repetitive, largely mindless work. Reading through documents, running redundant experiments, handling certain aspects of shipping(though not all). In certain ways, I see the progress in technology positively. For example, with online shopping and drone delivery systems, I look forward to the day there are no big box stores and nature can take back the tacky, **** hole shopping plazas. It will also mean less immigration, as many of our current low skill jobs can be carried out by robots.

The future in my opinion, will have a lot fewer people and sovereign nations will start to drift back apart. The post WWII era globalist worldview where we're all bound by trade, debt and arms will cease to exist. I like where we're headed.
 
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(01-26-2018 09:16 AM)Recluse1 Wrote:  
(01-26-2018 06:04 AM)jarr Wrote:  How do people see AI affecting the future for humans? Is it a positive or negative development?

One one hand, I can't imagine trying to slow down human progress with technology. I don't want to be the guy plowing the field with the donkey shaking his fist st the guy riding on the tractor.

On the other hand, AI is a whole other type of animal. The way I'm seeing it, we could basically make most humans not necessary. AI will not only be able to take away most blue collar jobs, but would take away a ton of administrative/office type jobs in fields such accounting, finance, HR, secretaries, etc. AI could even be in the medical field replacing surgeons, nurses, and doctors.

That all sounds great and all, but this kind of makes humans obsolete doesn't it? Do the robots eventually see us as not necessary?

There's lots to think abouthat on this subject and it appears.to be moving more rapid by the day. I read something recently predicting truck drivers could be out of work in 5 or 10 years.

Is this bad or good? I'm not sure I can answer that honestly right now. I want to say it is bad, but hoping someone smarter can tell me why it's good.



AI lacks conceptual thought, there is then no such thing as "true AI" and because of that, humanity will still be needed for the creative/innovative aspect of things. Really, I see AI as eliminating the repetitive, largely mindless work. Reading through documents, running redundant experiments, handling certain aspects of shipping(though not all). In certain ways, I see the progress in technology positively. For example, with online shopping and drone delivery systems, I look forward to the day there are no big box stores and nature can take back the tacky, **** hole shopping plazas. It will also mean less immigration, as many of our current low skill jobs can be carried out by robots.

The future in my opinion, will have a lot fewer people and sovereign nations will start to drift back apart. The post WWII era globalist worldview where we're all bound by trade, debt and arms will cease to exist. I like where we're headed.

Interesting points. I do wonder if a world with so much automation would have use for a population booming ever closer to 10 billion people. Something will ultimately give.
 
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10 years ago, I said cash would go away. Everyone said I was dumb. Now I think the government controlling money will eventually go away too, meaning no more US dollars.

I also think offices will start to go away. There is no need for the overhead anymore. As jarr said, stores will continue to disappear. You almost won't even need to leave the house anymore.
 
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Technological innovation = higher quality of life.
 
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Have any of you ever seen the Bruce Willis movie "Surrogates"? I think we will be there within the next 10-15years. In the movie, everyone sits at home and operate their humanoid android via remote control. The androids are idealized forms of their human operator. The added benefit is the operator is protected from harm and feels no pain when the surrogate is damaged .

Of course, the downside to all of this is the human body will break down as we sit on our keisters all day and we will not know how to interact with people in our own forms.
 
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This thread makes me think of Westworld.
 
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I use/program digital robots everyday in my line of work. I don't think of them as a job replacement but a job enhancement. I can now spend more time being an analyst and not on data entry.
 
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Yours is a little different than mine but I spent years programming weld robots, while they do certainly take away jobs, they do make a better product.
 
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(01-26-2018 10:49 AM)CincyBro Wrote:  Yours is a little different than mine but I spent years programming weld robots, while they do certainly take away jobs, they do make a better product.

I feel like "take away" jobs is the simplistic way many look at it. They make certain jobs obsolete, or at the very least less needed. Technology also open up markets for new innovation and move markets in a different direction. There aren't less jobs because of technology, the job market has just changed. That sucks if its your field hit and its a hard field to adjust and make similar money, but ultimately technology has moved standard of living forward and allowed for greater opportunity for the population as a whole.
 
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(01-26-2018 10:04 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Technological innovation = higher quality of life.

Yay and nay. On the one hand, we can do things with greater efficiency and less labor intensive methodology, on the other we have little kids developing coronary heart disease due to their sedentary lifestyle. It's also the case that social and cultural decline, low birth rates and eventual sterility could leave us in a situation that's despotic and quite violent.
I think the way in which we conserve and use technology will have to change, but that's not the same thing as saying we have to go backwards in terms of innovation. We just have to approach life a little differently. We see a lot of agoraphobia, because people have walled themselves off from life, communication and failure. Rather than embracing change and adapting/working to become better versions of themselves. In a self indulgent society of narcissists who have never been challenged, I think they may find life untenable.
Hedonism isn't just a problem from a religious perspective, it also makes people into emotional/psychological cripples. In Japan for instance, they have people who spend a decade or more never leaving their room.

The potential I see, is in educating people about how to use technology as a tool. Rather than just a shield to distract themselves from life itself.
(says the grown ass man posting on a web forum) For instance, how to code and complete tasks, rather than play World of Warcraft or Grand Theft Auto.
How to solder, draw up schematics, run simulations in Arduino or Solid Works, rather than looking at some stupid app that rates pictures of cakes.
My dad was a car guy, imagining someone working on a robot as opposed to a car is what I'm trying to get at. We have E-scrap all around us and yet, most of this supposedly tech savy population couldn't use any of it. They don't know how. But circuits and passive components are in damn near everything we use, that seems a little absurd to me. When the railways were a new thing, steel and shipping were the exciting paths and people wanted to be a part of it. I see a genuine lack of enthusiasm to involve oneself with any of the industry relevant to what is currently shaping our world and instead an intense desire to distract ourselves from reality. Fortunately, I think people have more potential than that. The culture will need to change but I think we can manage that.

We have a high tech culture in the US, it just needs to be made more practical and immediately useful to people.
When they view it as something they can manipulate for their own ends and not just something they can either escape with or get off to, we'll be entering a very bright future IMO.
 
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the next evolution of humanity i'm afraid. you can't fight the inevitable. some of us foolishly lament
 
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(01-26-2018 06:04 AM)jarr Wrote:  How do people see AI affecting the future for humans? Is it a positive or negative development?

One one hand, I can't imagine trying to slow down human progress with technology. I don't want to be the guy plowing the field with the donkey shaking his fist st the guy riding on the tractor.

On the other hand, AI is a whole other type of animal. The way I'm seeing it, we could basically make most humans not necessary. AI will not only be able to take away most blue collar jobs, but would take away a ton of administrative/office type jobs in fields such accounting, finance, HR, secretaries, etc. AI could even be in the medical field replacing surgeons, nurses, and doctors.

That all sounds great and all, but this kind of makes humans obsolete doesn't it? Do the robots eventually see us as not necessary?

There's lots to think abouthat on this subject and it appears.to be moving more rapid by the day. I read something recently predicting truck drivers could be out of work in 5 or 10 years.

Is this bad or good? I'm not sure I can answer that honestly right now. I want to say it is bad, but hoping someone smarter can tell me why it's good.

I'm happy that you brought up this topic because this is a discussion we should be having. There is great potential with AI in improving the world however I have some concerns. Elon Musk and Stephen Hawking have warned us about the potential dangers that AI could present in the future.
 
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kudos to you folk who embrace the ever advancing industry of technology. it terrifies me. this laptop pretty much consumes me and i refuse to go any further. but it still can't help but creep into my life. so invasive.

my papers to the shores of sovereign ludditia are pending.....
 
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