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newest NCAA rule change proposal
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...079119001/

A proposal that would allow NCAA athletes to transfer schools and keep their immediate eligibility — without restriction — if their coach is fired or leaves the program has been crafted by Big 12 athletic officials for consideration among Division I programs.

Currently, NCAA athletes have to seek the release from their current program in order to receive a scholarship from another school. Coaches have the power to "block" where a transfer goes. And athletes are required to sit out a season after transferring. All that would change, based on the proposal.
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Bad idea.
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If this gets approved, any bets on who the first coach will be to use this as negotiation leverage?
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So let me get this straight--not only can a team steal your coach---the NCAA also wants to make it so he can steal any incoming recruits he cant get to follow him--as well as any existing players? If your going to do this, the school losing a player needs to be awarded additional schoilies above the 25 player limit for the year in which the player announces his intention to leave.
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Hey, hire Nick Saban and have him bring the whole team with him!
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To get around this our coaches contract should have a clause that says you can not take a recruit you recruited while employed at this school for at least 1 year from the time you take another job. And if by chance you do there will be a $250,000 penalty for each recruit/player.

There will be a time limit on when a player can leave following a coaching change and I assume it will be that first year. So by adding that clause the rule will only affect you if the kid decides to go to another school. Or the coach spends some money.

With a first time contract the school is the one in power, unless it's a well known coach that others are after. Most of the time that's not the case for us. So use that power to protect the school and add it to any buyout.

If it pisses off the coach, so what. We know from the first minute he signs a contract the head coach is looking for his next job. They will say different but we are only fooling ourself by thinking other wise. None of us has the money to keep a coach that the weakest P5 school wants
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I thought the new transfer rules were put on the backburner until 2019? Is this different?
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Maybe they need to change this to if the coach is fired. Also if it does go into effect it schools should be allowed to keep players until they restructure buyouts. Also if a coach leaves after contract is up then it should be void. Lots of questions about this one. It likely won't happen. G5 doens't like it because their coaches get hired away and P5 doesn't like it because they fire coaches.
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(01-30-2018 03:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So let me get this straight--not only can a team steal your coach---the NCAA also wants to make it so he can steal any incoming recruits he cant get to follow him--as well as any existing players? If your going to do this, the school losing a player needs to be awarded additional schoilies above the 25 player limit for the year in which the player announces his intention to leave.

On top of that............. it will be an APR hit to your team unless those players are in good-standing and end up graduating.
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(01-30-2018 04:44 PM)banker Wrote:  Hey, hire Nick Saban and have him bring the whole team with him!

Another rich program could give him some ridiculous salary. $50 million a year if you'll bring your entire team.
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Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.
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(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.

That should be a two way street Schools should commit to players for 4 years instead of having the choice to NOT renew their scholarship every year
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(01-31-2018 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.

[/b]That should be a two way street Schools should commit to players for 4 years instead of having the choice to NOT renew their scholarship every year[b]

This. If the kid signs with you make the commitment. Then you can avoid crazy crap like this. My question is say 30 kids bolt cause coach x leaves. ( yes I know it’s extreme) but will you be allowed to bring in that many kids. We have already run into hey you’ve been here and not made an impact why don’t you head here cough cough.
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(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.

There's a fine line. For example, if you're an offensive skill position, and you commit to a school for the coach, one reason might be that you like the style of offense they run, and that it not only suits your skillset better, but that what you bring will likewise be better for that offense, a nice symbiotic relationship. If that coach leaves, in some cases, the whole reason a recruit went there leaves with him, and it puts a lot of question marks in his mind as to the direction the program will now take.

We're not the blue bloods. There are recruits who have always dreamed of attending Notre Dame, Michigan, LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, who'll stay committed to that school regardless of whether the coach who recruited them leaves, because they've always envisioned themselves wearing that uniform and playing in that stadium. There just aren't many recruits who dream of attending UTSA, UTEP, FAU, WKU, etc.

The recruits who aspire to play at the next level will also want the coaches they feel will help them develop their talents the best, and again, if that guy they put their faith in leaves, they'll have doubts. That could especially be true if the new coach coming in didn't even bother to try and recruit them at his previous school.

Last but not least, we can't lose sight of the human element. The best recruiters develop relationships with the guys and their families, sometimes 2 or more years before they graduate from high school, staying in contact with them through that time. So all considered, it's just kinda shortsighted to say all recruits should do this or that. The guys who play on Saturdays come from all over the USA, with all manner of backgrounds, experiences, and motivations. They have as many different reasons for committing to a school as they do for buying a certain car, so we can't expect everyone to make personal decisions in cookie cutter fashion.
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(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

In that case, coaches shouldn't be allowed to recruit. Let the admissions offices handle it.
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Remember when students picked a college to get a degree and football (and any other sport) was an extra-curricular? Well here is yet another big step away from that! NCAA = wrong direction as usual.
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(01-31-2018 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.

That should be a two way street Schools should commit to players for 4 years instead of having the choice to NOT renew their scholarship every year

Can you give an example of when a player who was already on scholarship had theirs taken away?
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(02-01-2018 11:05 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.

That should be a two way street Schools should commit to players for 4 years instead of having the choice to NOT renew their scholarship every year

Can you give an example of when a player who was already on scholarship had theirs taken away?

You think every transfer is the players choice? If you are asking for a example of this I believe it was Middle (might have been another CUSA school) that signed a kicker late and did not have a scholarship so they refused to renew the kicker's scholarship.


Quote:http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/...ome_a.html

As a redshirting freshman in 2004, he found a spot as a scout-team quarterback. But a few months later, Holtz was replaced by Steve Spurrier.

Mullins was moved to wide receiver, and during his first spring under Spurrier was listed on the depth chart. That summer, however, Mullins received a call from Spurrier, who said his scholarship had been rescinded.
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(02-01-2018 09:51 AM)Eagle Lurker Wrote:  Remember when students picked a college to get a degree and football (and any other sport) was an extra-curricular? Well here is yet another big step away from that! NCAA = wrong direction as usual.

Football especially hasn't been purely extracurricular for decades.
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(02-01-2018 01:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 11:05 AM)eagle04 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 06:14 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 05:32 PM)eagle04 Wrote:  Players should commit to schools/programs, not to the coaches.

Allowing players to leave, if a coach does, is going to be chaos.

Just think about how many coaches left this year. You could have programs decimated if a coach left.

That should be a two way street Schools should commit to players for 4 years instead of having the choice to NOT renew their scholarship every year

Can you give an example of when a player who was already on scholarship had theirs taken away?

You think every transfer is the players choice? If you are asking for a example of this I believe it was Middle (might have been another CUSA school) that signed a kicker late and did not have a scholarship so they refused to renew the kicker's scholarship.


Quote:http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/...ome_a.html

As a redshirting freshman in 2004, he found a spot as a scout-team quarterback. But a few months later, Holtz was replaced by Steve Spurrier.

Mullins was moved to wide receiver, and during his first spring under Spurrier was listed on the depth chart. That summer, however, Mullins received a call from Spurrier, who said his scholarship had been rescinded.

So you went back over a decade to find one example and an exception to this rule, at that.
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