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(02-03-2018 10:53 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:45 PM)payday Wrote:  I think WSU may have swept the season. ISU isn’t the same team. Who would be your competition? Despite the occasional cat calls...I hope WSU rebounds and finishes the season strong.

Cincy fans have experienced many conference titles. Finished short in quite a few too. The titles are great. But in hoops...it’s all about making the big dance. And you get just as excited for it whether you win the conference or not. WSU has some work to do. But they’re capable.

Loyola is about what ISUr was last year. 4 teams are around 120 in KenPom which is right where Tulsa is. Tulsa went 0-2 against #148 MVC team. SMU went 0-1 against #152 MVC team. That looks like more than 1 loss to me if we were still there.

The transitive property doesn’t work like that in hoops. The aac games are tougher because the league has better athletes, the play is more physical, the travel is harder, and the teams are better overall. That means the league schedule is going to be more of a grind, as there aren’t as many games where you can just show up and out-athlete people.

I know you guys like to bring up the fact that Loyola beat Florida, and Tulsa and SMU lost to MVC teams—but those are one-off non-conference games. To wit, SMU is 2-0 against the PAC 12 (to 2 top 30 RPI teams), but they are 5-5 against the AAC. Does that tell you anything about how easy SMU would blas through a PAC 12 schedule? Nope.

What WSU is dealing with this year is adjusting to a different style of basketball with different refs, traveling further to new cities and new arenas they aren’t used to.

There is very little question in my mind you would have gone through the valley with one loss at most and won the MVC tournament this year.
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02-04-2018 03:12 AM
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RE: Thanks to the AAC...
(02-04-2018 03:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:53 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:45 PM)payday Wrote:  I think WSU may have swept the season. ISU isn’t the same team. Who would be your competition? Despite the occasional cat calls...I hope WSU rebounds and finishes the season strong.

Cincy fans have experienced many conference titles. Finished short in quite a few too. The titles are great. But in hoops...it’s all about making the big dance. And you get just as excited for it whether you win the conference or not. WSU has some work to do. But they’re capable.

Loyola is about what ISUr was last year. 4 teams are around 120 in KenPom which is right where Tulsa is. Tulsa went 0-2 against #148 MVC team. SMU went 0-1 against #152 MVC team. That looks like more than 1 loss to me if we were still there.

The transitive property doesn’t work like that in hoops. The aac games are tougher because the league has better athletes, the play is more physical, the travel is harder, and the teams are better overall. That means the league schedule is going to be more of a grind, as there aren’t as many games where you can just show up and out-athlete people.

I know you guys like to bring up the fact that Loyola beat Florida, and Tulsa and SMU lost to MVC teams—but those are one-off non-conference games. To wit, SMU is 2-0 against the PAC 12 (to 2 top 30 RPI teams), but they are 5-5 against the AAC. Does that tell you anything about how easy SMU would blas through a PAC 12 schedule? Nope.

It tells me that no PAC-12 school would go through the AAC with 0 or 1 loss. That seems like a reasonable conclusion. I’m not saying MVC schools would blast through an AAC schedule. I feel like you’re not following the logical trail correctly.
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Well how about my logic trail?
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(02-04-2018 07:50 AM)payday Wrote:  Well how about my logic trail?

I don’t think you have a logic trail you just have a statement. I understand it as: MVC teams win tough non-conference games so that means they won’t beat a tough team in conference. Even though we went 1-2 against that aforementioned UNI team that year. That helps my loss prediction more than yours unless I’m misunderstanding.
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(02-04-2018 05:46 AM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 03:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:53 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:45 PM)payday Wrote:  I think WSU may have swept the season. ISU isn’t the same team. Who would be your competition? Despite the occasional cat calls...I hope WSU rebounds and finishes the season strong.

Cincy fans have experienced many conference titles. Finished short in quite a few too. The titles are great. But in hoops...it’s all about making the big dance. And you get just as excited for it whether you win the conference or not. WSU has some work to do. But they’re capable.

Loyola is about what ISUr was last year. 4 teams are around 120 in KenPom which is right where Tulsa is. Tulsa went 0-2 against #148 MVC team. SMU went 0-1 against #152 MVC team. That looks like more than 1 loss to me if we were still there.

The transitive property doesn’t work like that in hoops. The aac games are tougher because the league has better athletes, the play is more physical, the travel is harder, and the teams are better overall. That means the league schedule is going to be more of a grind, as there aren’t as many games where you can just show up and out-athlete people.

I know you guys like to bring up the fact that Loyola beat Florida, and Tulsa and SMU lost to MVC teams—but those are one-off non-conference games. To wit, SMU is 2-0 against the PAC 12 (to 2 top 30 RPI teams), but they are 5-5 against the AAC. Does that tell you anything about how easy SMU would blas through a PAC 12 schedule? Nope.

It tells me that no PAC-12 school would go through the AAC with 0 or 1 loss. That seems like a reasonable conclusion. I’m not saying MVC schools would blast through an AAC schedule. I feel like you’re not following the logical trail correctly.

Except I have a data point for how easily you would go through the MVC. You returned basically everyone from last year’s team which did.
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(02-04-2018 03:19 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 05:46 AM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 03:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:53 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:45 PM)payday Wrote:  I think WSU may have swept the season. ISU isn’t the same team. Who would be your competition? Despite the occasional cat calls...I hope WSU rebounds and finishes the season strong.

Cincy fans have experienced many conference titles. Finished short in quite a few too. The titles are great. But in hoops...it’s all about making the big dance. And you get just as excited for it whether you win the conference or not. WSU has some work to do. But they’re capable.

Loyola is about what ISUr was last year. 4 teams are around 120 in KenPom which is right where Tulsa is. Tulsa went 0-2 against #148 MVC team. SMU went 0-1 against #152 MVC team. That looks like more than 1 loss to me if we were still there.

The transitive property doesn’t work like that in hoops. The aac games are tougher because the league has better athletes, the play is more physical, the travel is harder, and the teams are better overall. That means the league schedule is going to be more of a grind, as there aren’t as many games where you can just show up and out-athlete people.

I know you guys like to bring up the fact that Loyola beat Florida, and Tulsa and SMU lost to MVC teams—but those are one-off non-conference games. To wit, SMU is 2-0 against the PAC 12 (to 2 top 30 RPI teams), but they are 5-5 against the AAC. Does that tell you anything about how easy SMU would blas through a PAC 12 schedule? Nope.

It tells me that no PAC-12 school would go through the AAC with 0 or 1 loss. That seems like a reasonable conclusion. I’m not saying MVC schools would blast through an AAC schedule. I feel like you’re not following the logical trail correctly.

Except I have a data point for how easily you would go through the MVC. You returned basically everyone from last year’s team which did.

Except we lost the coach of New Mexico State (#36 KenPom, #10 defense). They were #84 last year with the #124 defense and graduated their leading scorer. We also lost a 6 year assistant to LSU. This is literally the worst staff we’ve had since Marshall has been at WSU. That’s not an exaggeration.
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(02-03-2018 02:12 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  A high tides raises all ships.
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RE: Thanks to the AAC...
(02-04-2018 03:35 PM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 03:19 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 05:46 AM)AndShock Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 03:12 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(02-03-2018 10:53 PM)AndShock Wrote:  Loyola is about what ISUr was last year. 4 teams are around 120 in KenPom which is right where Tulsa is. Tulsa went 0-2 against #148 MVC team. SMU went 0-1 against #152 MVC team. That looks like more than 1 loss to me if we were still there.

The transitive property doesn’t work like that in hoops. The aac games are tougher because the league has better athletes, the play is more physical, the travel is harder, and the teams are better overall. That means the league schedule is going to be more of a grind, as there aren’t as many games where you can just show up and out-athlete people.

I know you guys like to bring up the fact that Loyola beat Florida, and Tulsa and SMU lost to MVC teams—but those are one-off non-conference games. To wit, SMU is 2-0 against the PAC 12 (to 2 top 30 RPI teams), but they are 5-5 against the AAC. Does that tell you anything about how easy SMU would blas through a PAC 12 schedule? Nope.

It tells me that no PAC-12 school would go through the AAC with 0 or 1 loss. That seems like a reasonable conclusion. I’m not saying MVC schools would blast through an AAC schedule. I feel like you’re not following the logical trail correctly.

Except I have a data point for how easily you would go through the MVC. You returned basically everyone from last year’s team which did.

Except we lost the coach of New Mexico State (#36 KenPom, #10 defense). They were #84 last year with the #124 defense and graduated their leading scorer. We also lost a 6 year assistant to LSU. This is literally the worst staff we’ve had since Marshall has been at WSU. That’s not an exaggeration.

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