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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
Georgetown has the 3rd largest basketball budget in the country.
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
I knew actually who Davidson is.
besides enrollment & illmni being to small.
Charrollte not paying attention to them
travell would be a hazzle
building to small & not in an urban area
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
Davidson has no historic ties with any current Big East team, so i see them as an extreme longshot.
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(02-06-2018 01:37 PM)billyjack Wrote:  Davidson has no historic ties with any current Big East team, so i see them as an extreme longshot.

I would think the Big East is very happy as it is. If anything, they'd take UConn if UConn drops football or drops a division (neither of which is likely).

For the most part, these schools won't have problems filling out non-conference schedules. Even the smaller schools in the Big East (Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's) won't have any issues getting local schools from lower ranked conferences to play them. The Big East also has the Gavitt games -- all 10 BE schools take part. Don't they also have a challenge with the ACC?

Any of the top 7 conferences would schedule a challenge with them.

No real need to expand, unless Fox puts pressure on them to do so. They can remain as they are -- one of the top conferences in the country.
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(02-06-2018 11:58 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Georgetown has the 3rd largest basketball budget in the country.

We sure aren't getting our money's worth. 07-coffee3
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(02-06-2018 02:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 11:58 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Georgetown has the 3rd largest basketball budget in the country.

We sure aren't getting our money's worth. 07-coffee3

Marquette is up there as well. At least you have company.
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(02-06-2018 01:58 PM)megadrone Wrote:  Even the smaller schools in the Big East (Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's)

fyi, in terms of enrollment, Providence is the smallest, Seton Hall is in the middle and St. Johns is 2nd largest.
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http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketb...as9y00rxky

This article doesn't bode well for the A10. Big East still getting its share. In 20 years the top 6 conferences have gone from 67% of the top 100 players to 95%.
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
The Big East is a power basketball conference and has a better TV contract than the AAC. The question, will that continue? Big East has the conference name and known basketball teams. The A10, lacks this advantage. I think they will be a mid major with 2-4 bids yearly.
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(02-06-2018 09:33 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 05:44 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  you got Davidson as expansion target for the BE, wow.
im still trying to figure out why A-10 took them.
now I do see BE & AAC shying away from Dayton due to Cin schools.

I wouldn't quite call Davidson a "target", but they ought to be in the mix as much as anyone in the event that the Big East ever decides to expand.

Think like a university president and not like a fan: Davidson is an ELITE academic school (if there was an Ivy League for liberal arts colleges, Davidson would likely be a member), has a location in the Charlotte TV market, provides an Eastern option in a 2-team Big East expansion scenario when the other school would almost certainly come from the Midwest (which is important for the Eastern-based Catholic 7 so that the league doesn't become "too Midwestern"), and has solid on-the-court credentials in terms of NCAA Tournament appearances. The main knock on Davidson is that it has a small enrollment size, but as I've stated elsewhere, that is generally irrelevant (as people on this board tend to vastly underrate the conference realignment value of private schools and overrate the conference realignment value of non-flagship/flagship-equivalent public schools based on size).

The Big East would only add 1 team if they expanded. They want to keep the round robin format. adding 1 team allows them to keep that format and go to a 20 game conference schedule.
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RE: Whither the A10 and Big East?
The A10 I think is in deep trouble. For one their TV deal is absolute garbage in terms of exposure. Also, they have lost a ton of coaches here recently and could easily lose URI's Hurley this offseason. If St Bonaventure gets a loss before the conference title game, it's going to be extremely easy to see it as a 1 bid league.

As far as the Big East- of this years top 100- Big East only has 6 according to 247. Compare to the ACC(20), SEC(18), P12(15), B10(14), and B12(9). Even if you account for size of conferences- That's still a big defecit for the Big East. So of the 82 guys in the 6 conferences- the P5 has almost 93% of those. Last year- Big East had 10 of the top 100.

Where I think that's a bit deceiving is that Big East does generally speaking a pretty good job in the transfer game. That's something that you can't account for.
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(02-27-2018 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The A10 I think is in deep trouble. For one their TV deal is absolute garbage in terms of exposure. Also, they have lost a ton of coaches here recently and could easily lose URI's Hurley this offseason. If St Bonaventure gets a loss before the conference title game, it's going to be extremely easy to see it as a 1 bid league.

As far as the Big East- of this years top 100- Big East only has 6 according to 247. Compare to the ACC(20), SEC(18), P12(15), B10(14), and B12(9). Even if you account for size of conferences- That's still a big defecit for the Big East. So of the 82 guys in the 6 conferences- the P5 has almost 93% of those. Last year- Big East had 10 of the top 100.

Where I think that's a bit deceiving is that Big East does generally speaking a pretty good job in the transfer game. That's something that you can't account for.


Well the Big XII who also has only 10 members only got 9 so whats your point? Schools like UK, Duke and UNC get mostly top 100 players but that doesn't mean the conference is better. I would bet half of those 20 went to those 2 schools.
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(02-27-2018 12:05 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The A10 I think is in deep trouble. For one their TV deal is absolute garbage in terms of exposure. Also, they have lost a ton of coaches here recently and could easily lose URI's Hurley this offseason. If St Bonaventure gets a loss before the conference title game, it's going to be extremely easy to see it as a 1 bid league.

As far as the Big East- of this years top 100- Big East only has 6 according to 247. Compare to the ACC(20), SEC(18), P12(15), B10(14), and B12(9). Even if you account for size of conferences- That's still a big defecit for the Big East. So of the 82 guys in the 6 conferences- the P5 has almost 93% of those. Last year- Big East had 10 of the top 100.

Where I think that's a bit deceiving is that Big East does generally speaking a pretty good job in the transfer game. That's something that you can't account for.


Well the Big XII who also has only 10 members only got 9 so whats your point? Schools like UK, Duke and UNC get mostly top 100 players but that doesn't mean the conference is better. I would bet half of those 20 went to those 2 schools.

Duke and UNC got 7. So still 13 for the other 13 schools.
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(02-27-2018 12:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:05 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 11:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The A10 I think is in deep trouble. For one their TV deal is absolute garbage in terms of exposure. Also, they have lost a ton of coaches here recently and could easily lose URI's Hurley this offseason. If St Bonaventure gets a loss before the conference title game, it's going to be extremely easy to see it as a 1 bid league.

As far as the Big East- of this years top 100- Big East only has 6 according to 247. Compare to the ACC(20), SEC(18), P12(15), B10(14), and B12(9). Even if you account for size of conferences- That's still a big defecit for the Big East. So of the 82 guys in the 6 conferences- the P5 has almost 93% of those. Last year- Big East had 10 of the top 100.

Where I think that's a bit deceiving is that Big East does generally speaking a pretty good job in the transfer game. That's something that you can't account for.


Well the Big XII who also has only 10 members only got 9 so whats your point? Schools like UK, Duke and UNC get mostly top 100 players but that doesn't mean the conference is better. I would bet half of those 20 went to those 2 schools.

Duke and UNC got 7. So still 13 for the other 13 schools.

Yeah thats my point. 2 schools get 7. How many got 0? In the Pac how many did UA get? How many of the SEC went to UK?
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ACC 7 of the 13 others got at least 1 top 100. And one of the ones that didn't is probably #1 overall seed(Virginia)
SEC of the 18 total only 3 went to Kentucky.
P12 of the 15 total only 1 went to Arizona.

And you could say the same about the Big East. Of the Big East 6, 3 went to Villanova. Including the only 5 star guy that the league has gotten in the last 2 cycles.
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(02-27-2018 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC 7 of the 13 others got at least 1 top 100. And one of the ones that didn't is probably #1 overall seed(Virginia)
SEC of the 18 total only 3 went to Kentucky.
P12 of the 15 total only 1 went to Arizona.

And you could say the same about the Big East. Of the Big East 6, 3 went to Villanova. Including the only 5 star guy that the league has gotten in the last 2 cycles.

And yet they are a top 3 conference. Whats that tell you?
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(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC 7 of the 13 others got at least 1 top 100. And one of the ones that didn't is probably #1 overall seed(Virginia)
SEC of the 18 total only 3 went to Kentucky.
P12 of the 15 total only 1 went to Arizona.

And you could say the same about the Big East. Of the Big East 6, 3 went to Villanova. Including the only 5 star guy that the league has gotten in the last 2 cycles.

And yet they are a top 3 conference. Whats that tell you?

maybe regular season. Postseason that's really not been the case with only a 22-21 record last 4 years. Big East could easily wind up with 2 top seeds(or a 1 and a 2) but then not a single other bid outside the 7-10 soup). Depth is great for the regular seaosn, but it really doesn't help much come March.
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(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC 7 of the 13 others got at least 1 top 100. And one of the ones that didn't is probably #1 overall seed(Virginia)
SEC of the 18 total only 3 went to Kentucky.
P12 of the 15 total only 1 went to Arizona.

And you could say the same about the Big East. Of the Big East 6, 3 went to Villanova. Including the only 5 star guy that the league has gotten in the last 2 cycles.

And yet they are a top 3 conference. Whats that tell you?

The BE got good bounce from the football/C7 divorce (annulment). It benefited from being able to keep MSG and buying the rights to the conference name. Short term, refocusing on basketball and bringing in Butler, Creighton and Xavier were great moves that brought an immediate buzz. Long term may be a different story. In the old BE, the Catholics were slowly loosing ground to the football schools on competitiveness and revenue. The split reversed the trends, but only time will tell if that was temporary or permanent.
The A-10 never got that bounce. It's expansion moves turned out to be subtraction by addition as other than VCU, the new members couldn't replace the pop that was lost. Further the conference has become a far flung, bloated mishmash of private vs public, urban vs rural that that doesn't seem to have any true identity.
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(02-27-2018 01:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC 7 of the 13 others got at least 1 top 100. And one of the ones that didn't is probably #1 overall seed(Virginia)
SEC of the 18 total only 3 went to Kentucky.
P12 of the 15 total only 1 went to Arizona.

And you could say the same about the Big East. Of the Big East 6, 3 went to Villanova. Including the only 5 star guy that the league has gotten in the last 2 cycles.

And yet they are a top 3 conference. Whats that tell you?

maybe regular season. Postseason that's really not been the case with only a 22-21 record last 4 years. Big East could easily wind up with 2 top seeds(or a 1 and a 2) but then not a single other bid outside the 7-10 soup). Depth is great for the regular seaosn, but it really doesn't help much come March.

Then who cares how many top 100 players a conference gets?
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(02-27-2018 01:46 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 12:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  ACC 7 of the 13 others got at least 1 top 100. And one of the ones that didn't is probably #1 overall seed(Virginia)
SEC of the 18 total only 3 went to Kentucky.
P12 of the 15 total only 1 went to Arizona.

And you could say the same about the Big East. Of the Big East 6, 3 went to Villanova. Including the only 5 star guy that the league has gotten in the last 2 cycles.

And yet they are a top 3 conference. Whats that tell you?

The BE got good bounce from the football/C7 divorce (annulment). It benefited from being able to keep MSG and buying the rights to the conference name. Short term, refocusing on basketball and bringing in Butler, Creighton and Xavier were great moves that brought an immediate buzz. Long term may be a different story. In the old BE, the Catholics were slowly loosing ground to the football schools on competitiveness and revenue. The split reversed the trends, but only time will tell if that was temporary or permanent.
The A-10 never got that bounce. It's expansion moves turned out to be subtraction by addition as other than VCU, the new members couldn't replace the pop that was lost. Further the conference has become a far flung, bloated mishmash of private vs public, urban vs rural that that doesn't seem to have any true identity.

I too think they made a mistake adding the 5 Western members. I respect the heck out of Marquette. Creighton too. But growing up I didn’t Differentiate those 5 Big East Western schools from a Northern Iowa or a SW Missouri St. Solid little programs, but a low ceiling. Gonzaga will eventually go to playing in front of 1500 fans instead of 5,800 at some point. And so will Butler. Not sustainable in my opinion. We shall see.
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