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A lot of the conferences are going to a 20 game league schedule.

Since the Big East only has 10 schools they can not do that.

If the Big East wanted to add 1 or 2 schools, who do you think that would be?
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(02-04-2018 09:45 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  A lot of the conferences are going to a 20 game league schedule.

Since the Big East only has 10 schools they can not do that.

If the Big East wanted to add 1 or 2 schools, who do you think that would be?

The Big East might not need to expand. I'm sure most of the schools in that conference won't have problems with OOC games as they have some rivalries from prior conferences (GT-Syracuse, SHU-Rutgers) that they want to maintain.
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They are hoping UConn will join them.
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Gonzaga could join and put their other sports in the WAC. That would create an eleven team league with 20 conference games, give the BE more exposure in the West and create more later night games.

The Horizon had Notre Dame without mbb for a time. The WAC would possibly go for it if Gonzaga offered a limited mbb package.
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The Big XII only has 10 schools too. If it becomes such a big deal im sure those two conferences could easily work out a scheduling agreement.
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(02-04-2018 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Gonzaga could join and put their other sports in the WAC. That would create an eleven team league with 20 conference games, give the BE more exposure in the West and create more later night games.

The Horizon had Notre Dame without mbb for a time. The WAC would possibly go for it if Gonzaga offered a limited mbb package.


Yeah, having your closest rival 3000 miles away makes great sense.


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Part of their strength is only having 10 schools. There is little waste in that league. Nearly every team is historic/traditional opponents or good.
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(02-04-2018 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Gonzaga could join and put their other sports in the WAC. That would create an eleven team league with 20 conference games, give the BE more exposure in the West and create more later night games.

The Horizon had Notre Dame without mbb for a time. The WAC would possibly go for it if Gonzaga offered a limited mbb package.


Yeah, having your closest rival 3000 miles away makes great sense.

MiAMI hasn't been in the Big East for years.

Los Angeles is 1200 miles. No matter where Gonzaga goes, they have to travel long distances.
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Creighton and DePaul prove you don't have to do crap in the non-conference and still let the conference schedule counterbalance your SOS into respectability. So, there's no incentive for the Big East (and Big XII) to expand for that reason; conference play pads the numbers just fine as is.

The Big East is fishing for a better deal.
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I'm sure if the conference expands, their "number one" option is Saint Louis. SLU bridges a gap in geography for Creighton and DePaul and is a good institutional fit. Number two??? That's debatable and the BE would weigh all sorts of options in that.
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(02-04-2018 10:08 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They are hoping UConn will join them.

If the Catholic 7 wanted to stay with FBS football schools, then they wouldn't have created the new Big East in the first place. The Big East (quite correctly) doesn't want to deal with football-related conference realignment ever again. They found their niche, are making more TV money than the G5 based on just basketball alone, and aren't looking behind their backs every time that a P5 conference gets the itch to expand.

Now, does the Big East secretly hope that UConn will decide that a P5 invite will *never* come and, as a result, drop FBS football? Maybe. However, the Big East simply won't take UConn as long as it has P5 aspirations no matter how much of a short-term financial gain might be had. The C7 already dealt with that situation too many times before.
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(02-05-2018 09:32 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:08 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  They are hoping UConn will join them.

If the Catholic 7 wanted to stay with FBS football schools, then they wouldn't have created the new Big East in the first place. The Big East (quite correctly) doesn't want to deal with football-related conference realignment ever again. They found their niche, are making more TV money than the G5 based on just basketball alone, and aren't looking behind their backs every time that a P5 conference gets the itch to expand.

Now, does the Big East secretly hope that UConn will decide that a P5 invite will *never* come and, as a result, drop FBS football? Maybe. However, the Big East simply won't take UConn as long as it has P5 aspirations no matter how much of a short-term financial gain might be had. The C7 already dealt with that situation too many times before.

No one saw the Georgetown admin's comments on the 30 for 30 -- basically they hated dealing with a problem for a sport they fielded at a lower level.
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(02-04-2018 10:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The Big XII only has 10 schools too. If it becomes such a big deal im sure those two conferences could easily work out a scheduling agreement.

This. The Big 12 doesn't want to expand at present, and neither does the Big East. Both have Fox contracts. It would be the easiest thing in the world to schedule a home/home for each of the Big East and Big 12 basketball programs with each other in a given season. For example, Marquette could host an Iowa State and then travel to an Oklahoma State. Everyone gets an additional two strong games added, without the expense of added programs that - at present - just don't fit into the respective conference's current plans.

UConn will not consider leaving the American until the next TV deal is worked out. Until then, it is just a fantasy.
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(02-04-2018 09:45 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  A lot of the conferences are going to a 20 game league schedule.

Since the Big East only has 10 schools they can not do that.

If the Big East wanted to add 1 or 2 schools, who do you think that would be?

I don't see any need for the Big East to expand. Ten is a nice tidy number.

If UConn or Syracuse or Pitt wanted to come back, sure we'd roll out the welcome mat, LOL. But only UConn is even a remote possibility, and IMO they are very remote, because of their football.
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(02-05-2018 11:38 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The Big XII only has 10 schools too. If it becomes such a big deal im sure those two conferences could easily work out a scheduling agreement.

This. The Big 12 doesn't want to expand at present, and neither does the Big East. Both have Fox contracts. It would be the easiest thing in the world to schedule a home/home for each of the Big East and Big 12 basketball programs with each other in a given season. For example, Marquette could host an Iowa State and then travel to an Oklahoma State. Everyone gets an additional two strong games added, without the expense of added programs that - at present - just don't fit into the respective conference's current plans.

UConn will not consider leaving the American until the next TV deal is worked out. Until then, it is just a fantasy.

Big 12 doesn't have a contract with FOX for basketball.
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(02-05-2018 12:35 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(02-05-2018 11:38 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  The Big XII only has 10 schools too. If it becomes such a big deal im sure those two conferences could easily work out a scheduling agreement.

This. The Big 12 doesn't want to expand at present, and neither does the Big East. Both have Fox contracts. It would be the easiest thing in the world to schedule a home/home for each of the Big East and Big 12 basketball programs with each other in a given season. For example, Marquette could host an Iowa State and then travel to an Oklahoma State. Everyone gets an additional two strong games added, without the expense of added programs that - at present - just don't fit into the respective conference's current plans.

UConn will not consider leaving the American until the next TV deal is worked out. Until then, it is just a fantasy.

Big 12 doesn't have a contract with FOX for basketball.

That doesn't change anything. Both TV partners would get 10 games to air between the two conferences. I don't think ESPN nor Fox would mind.
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(02-04-2018 11:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(02-04-2018 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Gonzaga could join and put their other sports in the WAC. That would create an eleven team league with 20 conference games, give the BE more exposure in the West and create more later night games.

The Horizon had Notre Dame without mbb for a time. The WAC would possibly go for it if Gonzaga offered a limited mbb package.


Yeah, having your closest rival 3000 miles away makes great sense.


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Sorry but there is a difference between 1 or 2 sports being affiliates vs 7 or more. Gonzaga would not be able to put the sports into the WAC without basketball. Basketball is what makes the conference in the NCAA.
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I can't recall seeing many fans of the Big East or its members who promote the idea of Big East expansion. Mostly outsiders. Why is that?
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(02-05-2018 03:35 PM)ken d Wrote:  I can't recall seeing many fans of the Big East or its members who promote the idea of Big East expansion. Mostly outsiders. Why is that?

Big East and Big Twelve are easy targets in these types of threads because they are only at 10 members while the others have 12-14 members. There are a lot of people that just think those conferences have to get up to those numbers to keep it all nice and even (even though the conferences don't agree).
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(02-04-2018 10:46 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Gonzaga could join and put their other sports in the WAC. That would create an eleven team league with 20 conference games, give the BE more exposure in the West and create more later night games.

The Horizon had Notre Dame without mbb for a time. The WAC would possibly go for it if Gonzaga offered a limited mbb package.

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You cannot be a basketball only member. You have to play all your sports in your basketball conference if that sport is offered in that conference, can't pick and chose. They could be basketball for Big East and Indy for the others but that is not practical.

Big East should add Saint Louis and Richmond. Probably should add Dayton and VCU but I doubt they do with VCU=public and Dayton being to close to Xavier
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