(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

It's time for them to shut down all of athletics and focus squarely on surviving institutionally. Quite honestly, they shouldn't even exist now. Weren't they failing to pay staff not long ago? When is that EVER acceptable?

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

Chicago St in 34 years of D-1 basketball have only won 265 games. Thats an average of 7.7 wins a year....

They have been behind the 8 ball since the 1984-85 their 1st season of D-1 basketball...

Its sad b/c Chicago has basketball talent not sure how they couldn't capitalize on some of it.

(02-26-2018 10:18 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

Chicago St in 34 years of D-1 basketball have only won 265 games. Thats an average of 7.7 wins a year....

They have been behind the 8 ball since the 1984-85 their 1st season of D-1 basketball...

Its sad b/c Chicago has basketball talent not sure how they couldn't capitalize on some of it.

Add to it an amazing venue to play the game. That arena is too good for that school.

It's more than just money. There isn't a good leadership culture there at the school. Rudderless in the sea of operations and logistics.

(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

3 star recruit coming in plus stabilizing finances to finally capitalize on the arena. Be patient...

(02-26-2018 09:06 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  No matter which way you slice it, Louisiana is not particularly rich, yet has an absurd amount of D-I colleges. Why does it need so many public schools? Honestly La. Tech, UNO, LSU, the UL schools and private schools should be more than enough. Instead, they've got one in every corner of the state and that's just among D-I schools.

Well, "D1" is a meaningless classification for academic purposes. Would LA-Tech be any less redundant if it dropped down to D2?

From a quick web check, there are 33 four-year colleges in Alabama, 27 in Louisiana, and they are about the same population, wealth, etc.

(02-26-2018 11:06 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

3 star recruit coming in plus stabilizing finances to finally capitalize on the arena. Be patient...

Chicago State enrollment is below 2000 full time (dropped another 10% between Fall 2017 and Spring 2018, 2850 total,1900 full time), and 1/3rd of those are grad students. 70% of the campus is women. So it's a school with maybe 500 undergrad full time men. The Athletic budget has been shaved every year (it's funded almost 100% by fees and tuition, so declining attendance directly impact athletics ... gate and donations for the entire decade has been under $200K), officially below $5M, and will need to be cut another 10-20% next year.

The problems go way way way beyond state funding. The administration is essentially nothing but political hacks and almost every remaining accreditation is at risk. The school has lost attendance at rates above 10% for the entire decade, pre budget crisis, post budget crisis. There is an interim President who is doing little, and another round of layoffs loom. Most projections have the school sliding to around 2800 in the Fall, and 2500 next Spring. This would actually represent a significant deceleration in the exodus of students (especially African American, who are the most likely to transfer elsewhere, 88% of such students - the school is 64% African American). The financial math says they have less than three years left before they have to pull the plug.

This school has no business in D1

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

(02-26-2018 10:18 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

Chicago St in 34 years of D-1 basketball have only won 265 games. Thats an average of 7.7 wins a year....

They have been behind the 8 ball since the 1984-85 their 1st season of D-1 basketball...

Its sad b/c Chicago has basketball talent not sure how they couldn't capitalize on some of it.

Yeah, well they're not the only school in Chicago or Illinois. Obviously they're not particularly affluent either. That said, they could be a whole lot better than they have been. I'm not sure they ever even had a 20-win season since moving up nor even threatened to steal an at-large during March Madness (after some research I see they have a 19 win season and won a conference without an auto-bid. They also had a 22-win season right after moving up in the 80's).

(02-26-2018 11:06 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 08:37 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  I mentioned Chicago State in this thread. Is it time for them to throw in the towel or what? They're 2-27 in the WAC. They simply cannot be competitive at the D-I level.

3 star recruit coming in plus stabilizing finances to finally capitalize on the arena. Be patient...

So what, instead of 2 wins, now they're gonna win 10? We've got 30 years of evidence that CSU is typically gonna win less than 10 games a year and very often less than 5.

I do commend you on being a true and loyal fan, however, this appears to be a lost cause.

(02-26-2018 02:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

If you are a student in Shreveport you are 65 miles from Grambling. Baton Rouge is 250 miles, New Orleans 330.

(02-26-2018 11:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 09:06 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  No matter which way you slice it, Louisiana is not particularly rich, yet has an absurd amount of D-I colleges. Why does it need so many public schools? Honestly La. Tech, UNO, LSU, the UL schools and private schools should be more than enough. Instead, they've got one in every corner of the state and that's just among D-I schools.

Well, "D1" is a meaningless classification for academic purposes. Would LA-Tech be any less redundant if it dropped down to D2?

From a quick web check, there are 33 four-year colleges in Alabama, 27 in Louisiana, and they are about the same population, wealth, etc.

Well, then that means Alabama has too many too, Alabama isn't particularly rich either. Regardless of quantity, there's redundancy in Louisiana and also waste. Again, does every corner of the state need one, if not two schools?

Not that I'm overly concerned, I'm 100 miles from Louisiana in another state, so I don't live there. At the least they should mandate that no state dollars go to fund any athletic department.

(02-26-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

If you are a student in Shreveport you are 65 miles from Grambling. Baton Rouge is 250 miles, New Orleans 330.

So, what's your point? I knew of plenty of poor people (not a relative term either) from Dallas that used to attend the HBCU's in/near Houston. Besides, we're talking about redundancy and state funding.

(02-26-2018 02:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This school has no business in D1

Sounds more like this school has no business being open, let alone D-I.

(02-26-2018 03:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

If you are a student in Shreveport you are 65 miles from Grambling. Baton Rouge is 250 miles, New Orleans 330.

So, what's your point? I knew of plenty of poor people (not a relative term either) from Dallas that used to attend the HBCU's in/near Houston. Besides, we're talking about redundancy and state funding.

Really? You can't understand the point?
The point is not every student wants to borrow money to live in a dorm.

(02-26-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

If you are a student in Shreveport you are 65 miles from Grambling. Baton Rouge is 250 miles, New Orleans 330.

Yes, Shreveport is really on an island in Louisiana, far from everywhere. They even get different weather. E.g., last week one day it was 87 degrees in Baton Rouge, 51 at the same time in Shreveport.

IIRC, they get Dallas Cowboys games on their local FOX station, not Saints games, because Dallas is a lot closer than New Orleans and most fans there are Cowboys fans. They are closer to some places in Oklahoma than they are to Baton Rouge or New Orleans. They are closer to Arkansas's capital than their own capital.

One constant? LSU. You see purple and gold up in Shreveport much more than anything else. It's still Tigers country up there.

(02-26-2018 04:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 03:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

If you are a student in Shreveport you are 65 miles from Grambling. Baton Rouge is 250 miles, New Orleans 330.

So, what's your point? I knew of plenty of poor people (not a relative term either) from Dallas that used to attend the HBCU's in/near Houston. Besides, we're talking about redundancy and state funding.

Really? You can't understand the point?
The point is not every student wants to borrow money to live in a dorm.

65 miles each way would be a horrible commute.

(02-26-2018 05:05 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 03:20 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 02:46 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 10:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 11:00 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Be that as it may, in a state drowning in debt, it's silly to have such redundancy. There's no reason for there to be so many schools in rural Louisiana. Segregation is over, why should Grambling exist right next to Louisiana Tech? Merge one into the other. And Southern with LSU, there's still a New Orleans campus, let that be the Southern main campus going forward.

Louisiana Tech admission standards
ACT of 23, or new SAT of 1130 with a high school GPA greater than 2.0
-OR-
High school GPA of 2.5 and minimum composite ACT of 15, or new SAT of 810

Grambling admission standards
2.0 high school GPA and ACT of 20

Merging Louisiana Tech and Grambling means one of the admission standards has to give unless you are keeping both campuses open and if you are, you aren't gaining a great deal of savings since they are both in the same university system. Not going to be huge administrative savings if you have two campuses.

Whichever admission standard you go with will have consequences, take the Grambling standard more can get in but you hurt La. Tech in academic rankings. Take the La.Tech standard and kids who could have attended Grambling are not shut out.

No they're not, there's another HBCU in the state. Under my plan, Southern would still have a New Orleans campus. Send struggling/underprivileged students there.

If you are a student in Shreveport you are 65 miles from Grambling. Baton Rouge is 250 miles, New Orleans 330.

Yes, Shreveport is really on an island in Louisiana, far from everywhere. They even get different weather. E.g., last week one day it was 87 degrees in Baton Rouge, 51 at the same time in Shreveport.

IIRC, they get Dallas Cowboys games on their local FOX station, not Saints games, because Dallas is a lot closer than New Orleans and most fans there are Cowboys fans. They are closer to some places in Oklahoma than they are to Baton Rouge or New Orleans. They are closer to Arkansas's capital than their own capital.

One constant? LSU. You see purple and gold up in Shreveport much more than anything else. It's still Tigers country up there.

Fun fact: the extreme southwestern county of Virginia, where VA meets Kentucky and Tennessee, is closer to the state capitals of Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia than it is to Richmond.

Back to the original topic: what does the MEAC hope to gain from this? Hampton wasn't nasty by leaving the league. They're just doing what they felt was in their school's best interests while being respectful and professional towards their colleagues.

(02-26-2018 04:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Really? You can't understand the point?
The point is not every student wants to borrow money to live in a dorm.

Well tough ****. No pun intended but beggars can't be choosers. Everything is not perfect. Grants and scholarships are available even to the poor and if they really want out of their situation, they can borrow or not go to school at all, it actually may benefit us all to have fewer people go to school that can't afford it, though that's another rant of mine altogether. There's community colleges and online schools, so they have options aside from going to a 4-year bachelor's college.

Why should taxpayers have to be on the hook for the sake of people's convience?