(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.
Said by no one, ever.
But, that aside, who should have protected these kids? Where were they?
This thread has a title, maybe should answer that question.
(02-23-2018 06:50 AM)smudge12 Wrote: If a community buys into the solution that arming teachers and/or students with firearms will help in the (rare) case of a mass school shooting, then they should implement it. It's their schools to do what they want.
But let's be real, most parents, teachers, students (and likely law-enforcement) are completely uncomfortable with wanting firearms in the classrooms. In a way, it sends a ridiculous message to our children that we've failed you so badly, we need everyone armed.
I practice at the damn NRA HQ and even with their strict standards at the range, I feel uncomfortable with how some handle their firearms. So to arm teachers that don't want anything to do with guns, or a bunch of teenagers that are still developing impulse-control, developing how to properly manage their anger, and are generally careless as a cohort, I find that scarier than a mass shooting once in a while. You might prevent one big incident, but I'd be amazed if you can prevent all the little ones.
Well, if you’re uncomfy, don’t go there?
Unless, and until, our government schools can protect our kids as well as we do, say, courthouses, why shouldn’t they have some defense?
Are the dui and B&E lawyers more important than our kids? How so?
This is lunacy.
If we need 19 TSA cops on every flight Im boarding to take to Cleveland, Id think we could spare one or two for a bunch of 6 year olds.
Just silly.
“Might scare my precious!”
Well, not as much as a nut job with a gun. Geeeeeez.
(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.
Said by no one, ever.
But, that aside, who should have protected these kids? Where were they?
This thread has a title, maybe should answer that question.
So?
We’ve got one more failure in the
government “we’ll protect you” idiocy.
That support or proves, what?
The guy was probably just biding his time, at 54 YO’s, so probably 30+ years of putting his life on the line for you and me.
He then retired.
As in, no longer up to the task. Sucks that he goes out like that, I’d imagine, doesn’t mitigate his, and every level of FAIL we’ve had from
Gubment here.
But, by all means, place more faith in the incompetent fools further.
(02-22-2018 10:16 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: Changed my mind, you guys are right, high school seniors should have easy access to semi auto rifles with high capacity magazines.
Said by no one, ever.
But, that aside, who should have protected these kids? Where were they?
This thread has a title, maybe should answer that question.
So?
We’ve got one more failure in the
government “we’ll protect you” idiocy.
That support or proves, what?
The guy was probably just biding his time, at 54 YO’s, so probably 30+ years of putting his life on the line for you and me.
He then retired.
As in, no longer up to the task. Sucks that he goes out like that, I’d imagine, doesn’t mitigate his, and every level of FAIL we’ve had from
Gubment here.
But, by all means, place more faith in the incompetent fools further.
(02-22-2018 10:22 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote: I would just prefer to stop hearing about how dangerous cops' jobs are when it is statistically untrue and they routinely avoid danger.
So, we want to give teachers, who are having sex with the kids, guns. What happens when the kid threatens to go to the cops, and the teacher pulls a gun and says no you're not?
When the kids show up to kill with the intention of dying, guns won't prevent the events to come.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2018 10:15 AM by cb4029.)
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4. What I stumbled upon was a Broward County law enforcement system in a state of conflict. The Broward County School Board and District Superintendent, entered into a political agreement with Broward County Law enforcement officials to stop arresting students for crimes.
(02-23-2018 10:15 AM)cb4029 Wrote: So, we want to give teachers, who are having sex with the kids, guns. What happens when the kid threatens to go to the cops, and the teacher pulls a gun and says no you're not?
When the kids show up to kill with the intention of dying, guns won't prevent the events to come.
Of course it will. See this NRA documentary on arming schoolchildren (which seems to be the source for a lot of gundamentalist thought):
(02-23-2018 06:50 AM)smudge12 Wrote: If a community buys into the solution that arming teachers and/or students with firearms will help in the (rare) case of a mass school shooting, then they should implement it. It's their schools to do what they want.
But let's be real, most parents, teachers, students (and likely law-enforcement) are completely uncomfortable with wanting firearms in the classrooms. In a way, it sends a ridiculous message to our children that we've failed you so badly, we need everyone armed.
I practice at the damn NRA HQ and even with their strict standards at the range, I feel uncomfortable with how some handle their firearms. So to arm teachers that don't want anything to do with guns, or a bunch of teenagers that are still developing impulse-control, developing how to properly manage their anger, and are generally careless as a cohort, I find that scarier than a mass shooting once in a while. You might prevent one big incident, but I'd be amazed if you can prevent all the little ones.
Your not arming “all teachers”. Your arming those that choose to be armed and attend special training (as well as following the rules for getting a concealed carry permit in thier state). Concealed carry is already allowed at Texas universities since last year. Im sure there are other states,
Guns aren’t going away. It is what it is. Eliminating guns is virtually impossible and would be require a Constitutional Convention. That is not a quick process. Then, even it it passed—-it would be decades before enough guns were confiscated to make a difference....assuming there were not wide spread armed resistance to the law—which is very possible. I suspect gun violence would increase in the short term. It would not be the smooth easy process some envision. I think you could have riots and violence similar to the 60’s and 70’s (or maybe like Prohibition).
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2018 10:37 AM by Attackcoog.)
(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.
Actually, it is. Ever had one of these mass shootings happen at police station or shooting range? They almost always happen at soft targets. If it happened at a shooting range or a police station it would last about 10 seconds.
Mass shootings happened at military bases where practically 100% of the populace is HIGHLY trained - moreso than a CCW class.
Pulse Nightclub - armed security on hand.
Parkland & some other high schools - armed security on hand.
This is the only issue in this country we try to solve with more of one of the problems.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2018 11:17 AM by tigergreen.)
(02-23-2018 10:15 AM)cb4029 Wrote: So, we want to give teachers, who are having sex with the kids, guns. What happens when the kid threatens to go to the cops, and the teacher pulls a gun and says no you're not?
When the kids show up to kill with the intention of dying, guns won't prevent the events to come.
So you want mass murders to continue in our schools. Got it! Good solution. Democrats are going to really well in November fighting against tax cuts and for mass murders in schools.
(02-23-2018 10:15 AM)cb4029 Wrote: So, we want to give teachers, who are having sex with the kids, guns. What happens when the kid threatens to go to the cops, and the teacher pulls a gun and says no you're not?
When the kids show up to kill with the intention of dying, guns won't prevent the events to come.
So you want mass murders to continue in our schools. Got it! Good solution. Democrats are going to really well in November fighting against tax cuts and for mass murders in schools.
(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.
Actually, it is. Ever had one of these mass shootings happen at police station or shooting range? They almost always happen at soft targets. If it happened at a shooting range or a police station it would last about 10 seconds.
Mass shootings happened at military bases where practically 100% of the populace is HIGHLY trained - moreso than a CCW class.
Pulse Nightclub - armed security on hand.
Parkland & some other high schools - armed security on hand.
This is the only issue in this country we try to solve with more of one of the problems.
Ironically, guns are NOT allowed on military bases in the US. Pulse had a single armed security guard, and much like Parkland, he alone was apparenty not very effective. How would Pulse have played out if a dozen people inside were trained and armed? Yes people likely would have died, but I bet we woudnt have lost so many there.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2018 11:38 AM by Attackcoog.)
(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.
Actually, it is. Ever had one of these mass shootings happen at police station or shooting range? They almost always happen at soft targets. If it happened at a shooting range or a police station it would last about 10 seconds.
Mass shootings happened at military bases where practically 100% of the populace is HIGHLY trained - moreso than a CCW class.
Pulse Nightclub - armed security on hand.
Parkland & some other high schools - armed security on hand.
This is the only issue in this country we try to solve with more of one of the problems.
I can tell you have never been in the military, rank and file on the base do not carry.
Armed officer at Parkland did nothing.
(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote: The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.
Actually, it is. Ever had one of these mass shootings happen at police station or shooting range? They almost always happen at soft targets. If it happened at a shooting range or a police station it would last about 10 seconds.
Mass shootings happened at military bases where practically 100% of the populace is HIGHLY trained - moreso than a CCW class.
Pulse Nightclub - armed security on hand.
Parkland & some other high schools - armed security on hand.
This is the only issue in this country we try to solve with more of one of the problems.
Ft Hood Shooting - on duty personnel don't carry sidearms except for MPs.
Pulse - yes armed off duty police officer near the door
Parkland - yes armed LEO that did not engage
Aurora theater - NO armed security
Newton - NO armed security
