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Can the G5 BS its way to the top?
What is stopping the G5 from marketing the hell out of itself like the NBA to get people to pretend its valuable?

Create a new set of national football awards with criteria tilted to favor the G5.

Amazing new bowl games like the Pirate Bowl in Greenville, NC in prime time slots.

Can the G5 BS its way to the top?
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(02-23-2018 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What is stopping the G5 from marketing the hell out of itself like the NBA to get people to pretend its valuable?

Create a new set of national football awards with criteria tilted to favor the G5.

Amazing new bowl games like the Pirate Bowl in Greenville, NC in prime time slots.

Can the G5 BS its way to the top?

Marketing takes money, to BS yourself to the top takes A LOT of money... who has the money? Not the G5. The more likely scenario of separating themselves like this is you end up with a situation like University/College Divisions, DI/DII, D1A/D1AA, FBS/FCS, and now P5/G5.
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What if the G5 had 5 really good products for a particular season...

Boise St
Appalachian St
Houston
Toledo
UCF

Worked out a national distribution network for those brands and crammed them down the throat of every retail and media outlet.

Can the public be brainwashed?
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One thing I can’t let go: the NBA isn’t BSing anything and it’s hardly about marketing. If anything, I see a lot of really wacky denials online about the NBA’s popularity usually projecting their own personal opinions (e.g. “No one I know cares about the NBA!”) onto the rest of society. Putting aside the NFL (which is in a category alone in terms of power), when you look at the TV ratings data and metrics like social media and international interest, the NBA is honestly *slaying* them all. They have the fan base that every other league (college or pro) would trade for within a heartbeat. Kids in China have no idea who Tom Brady or Mike Trout are, but they all know LeBron, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, James Jarden, etc. It’s not an accident that the *Clippers* (not even the Lakers) were sold for $2 billion. The NBA is valuable because every objective metric out there says it’s valuable and the demographics that they’re strong in are still growing (unlike most other sports leagues).

There is no BS. The NBA makes a lot of money because it has a lot of viewers in valuable demographics just like the P5. Until the G5 delivers that value, they won’t be valuable.
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(02-24-2018 12:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There is no BS. The NBA makes a lot of money because it has a lot of viewers in valuable demographics just like the P5. Until the G5 delivers that value, they won’t be valuable.

What you are saying is if the G5 could promote personalities that appeal to the 18-49 demographic like the NBA they could to also be worth 2 billion per team.

Would a "players only" half time show during G5 games help like the one the NBA has with TNT?
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(02-23-2018 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What is stopping the G5 from marketing the hell out of itself like the NBA to get people to pretend its valuable?

Create a new set of national football awards with criteria tilted to favor the G5.

Amazing new bowl games like the Pirate Bowl in Greenville, NC in prime time slots.


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NBA has funky little markets not unlike.....the G5!

NBA
Sacramento
Salt Lake City
San Antonio
Oklahoma City

G5
Boise St.
Fresno St.
UTSA
Tulsa

NBA may be big in China but the G5 will rule the Indian Subcontinent!
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(02-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 12:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There is no BS. The NBA makes a lot of money because it has a lot of viewers in valuable demographics just like the P5. Until the G5 delivers that value, they won’t be valuable.

What you are saying is if the G5 could promote personalities that appeal to the 18-49 demographic like the NBA they could to also be worth 2 billion per team.

Would a "players only" half time show during G5 games help like the one the NBA has with TNT?

Ha! Did miko33 hack into your account?
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(02-24-2018 12:27 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 12:13 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 12:02 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There is no BS. The NBA makes a lot of money because it has a lot of viewers in valuable demographics just like the P5. Until the G5 delivers that value, they won’t be valuable.

What you are saying is if the G5 could promote personalities that appeal to the 18-49 demographic like the NBA they could to also be worth 2 billion per team.

Would a "players only" half time show during G5 games help like the one the NBA has with TNT?

Ha! Did miko33 hack into your account?

I have been saving this one for a while lol.
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(02-24-2018 12:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What is stopping the G5 from marketing the hell out of itself like the NBA to get people to pretend its valuable?

Create a new set of national football awards with criteria tilted to favor the G5.

Amazing new bowl games like the Pirate Bowl in Greenville, NC in prime time slots.


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Actually the Pirate Bowl is played 6 or 7 times a year in Tampa Florida by a team called the bulls who claims to a squad from a local university down there.
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Sure. But to really make this worthwhile you need to hire a G5 Director to coordinate. And of course you need a catchy name for the so-called G5 that is also not denigrating.

But for Football, what you really need is a de facto Group championship game the week after the conference championships. Winner goes to NYD, 2nd place still gets a decent bowl against a P5. Pirate Bowl, sure. 3rd place game winner also gets a decent bowl against a P5 maybe out west (Boise, Fresno, Hawaii?). This group championship round is technically a replacement for one regular season game. So every G5 saves a date in the schedule for one flex game that is assigned by the G5 Director. If you’re not in the running for the conference title it can stay late in the regular season (and be a nearby conference crossover opponent).
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Not really. This would work to an extent if the P5 ever splits off and it is for all sports but not while the two are tied together.

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(02-24-2018 12:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What is stopping the G5 from marketing the hell out of itself like the NBA to get people to pretend its valuable?

Create a new set of national football awards with criteria tilted to favor the G5.

Amazing new bowl games like the Pirate Bowl in Greenville, NC in prime time slots.


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That’s right quo, just keep your head in the sand box, I’ve been saying the same thing about the have nots doing their own thing and I think it will happen after 2025 when or if any realignment happens, then it will be very clear where everybody stands
Remember The danger of being perceived as a lower football league, to help prevent this image we will need to maintain the same number of scholarships as the ESPN league, we may have to separate from the NCAA to keep up because we all know the p5 “ ESPN league “ would like to reduce the number of scholarships that we have now, this can not ever happen
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Who said the non autonomous conferences have small markets, certainly not true for most of the AAC schools
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I've said the Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty all have rich G5 traditions but are now P5 vs. P5 bowl games.

Could the G5 create a new set of games for high level competition? Do these bowl games become P5 games in the future? Two new mid tier bowl games on the level of the Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty?

Pirate Bowl: Greenville, NC. Takes the two highest rated non-CFP programs from the East and places them into a bowl game.

Example this year: #24 Memphis vs. #30 Florida Atlantic

Tomato Bowl: Fresno, CA. Takes the two highest rated non-CFP programs from the West/Texas and places them into a bowl game.

Example this year: #25 Boise St. vs. #52 Houston

Play the games as a double header on January 2nd. Obviously this favors the AAC which is the highest rated G5 conference but at least it would provide additional mid tier bowl slots. It also follows the Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty model of bowls played in communities with strong local support for college football and with bigger G5 names should fill the stands.

The games would also be open to BYU, Army, UMass or whomever else had a big year.
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No, this thread isn't puzzling or weird. 07-coffee3
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(02-24-2018 09:40 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 12:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 11:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What is stopping the G5 from marketing the hell out of itself like the NBA to get people to pretend its valuable?

Create a new set of national football awards with criteria tilted to favor the G5.

Amazing new bowl games like the Pirate Bowl in Greenville, NC in prime time slots.


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That’s right quo, just keep your head in the sand box, I’ve been saying the same thing about the have nots doing their own thing and I think it will happen after 2025 when or if any realignment happens, then it will be very clear where everybody stands
Remember The danger of being perceived as a lower football league, to help prevent this image we will need to maintain the same number of scholarships as the ESPN league, we may have to separate from the NCAA to keep up because we all know the p5 “ ESPN league “ would like to reduce the number of scholarships that we have now, this can not ever happen

FWIW, I'm not against creative marketing by G5 schools and conferences to try and build brand.

The laughter was because i thought the OP was intentionally funny, and i laughed so i was giving credit. You can't call the OP a troll, because trolls try to hide themselves, at least with a veneer.

But when you (a) compare the G5, the runt-end of college football, which is of course itself behind the mighty NFL in the football realm, with the NBA, the biggest basketball league in the world with some of the biggest athletes on the planet, you're not trolling, you're just being obviously hilarious. And ditto with the (b) comment about creating a Pirate Bowl as part of the marketing.

It was a mock post all the way, and it works, so I laughed. 07-coffee3
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(02-24-2018 11:36 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I've said the Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty all have rich G5 traditions but are now P5 vs. P5 bowl games.

Could the G5 create a new set of games for high level competition? Do these bowl games become P5 games in the future? Two new mid tier bowl games on the level of the Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty?

Pirate Bowl: Greenville, NC. Takes the two highest rated non-CFP programs from the East and places them into a bowl game.

Example this year: #24 Memphis vs. #30 Florida Atlantic

Tomato Bowl: Fresno, CA. Takes the two highest rated non-CFP programs from the West/Texas and places them into a bowl game.

Example this year: #25 Boise St. vs. #52 Houston

Play the games as a double header on January 2nd. Obviously this favors the AAC which is the highest rated G5 conference but at least it would provide additional mid tier bowl slots. It also follows the Holiday, Sun, Independence, Liberty model of bowls played in communities with strong local support for college football and with bigger G5 names should fill the stands.

The games would also be open to BYU, Army, UMass or whomever else had a big year.

So, here is the problem. There really isnt a "G5". Thats just a derogotory name for the 5 conferences that dont have a major bowl at the end of the season. Worse yet for any G5 marketing---you have one conference already running a marketing campaign primarily designed to separate itself from the other 4 members of that "group". I dont see the AAC participating in any marketing campaign for the G5.

So--where DOES it make sense to work together. Does spending money on a marketing campaign make sense? Frankly, I dont think so. My preference would be to take some of the CFP G5 payout, which is about 90 million, and split off about 10 miilion a year to create a Champions Bowl Fund. Distribute the other 80 million just as we currently do.

If we started next year, by the time the next bowl cycle began, the G5 would have a 20 million dollar fund to create 3 new bowls that would provide a suitable guaranteed landing spot for every G5 champion along with a 10 milllion dollar stream of income to keep the games going. Frankly, there is no reason to think these games wouldnt be self sufficient (or nearly so) once they start up funds are invested. So, its likely the 10 million dollar annual contribution from the G5 could be reduced or eliminated once the games get started.

Here's how it works--

Top ranked G5 champ---access bowl

2nd ranked G5 champ---new G5 bowl vs #3-#5 selection for a P5 (1 mil for G5/3 mil for P5 participant)

3rd ranked G5 champ---new G5 bowl vs #3-#5 selection for a P5 (1 mil for G5/3 mil for P5 participant)

4th ranked G5 vs 5th ranked G5--(1 million each in new G5 bowl).

Now winning your conference means something more than going to the same quality bowl as the 5th place conference finisher in the same conference. Thats a huge difference because it gives your conference race a context that makes it important to more casual viewers. If you want, use some of that 20 million dollar fund to market and advertise the Champions Bowl Series. Sell them to someone other than ESPN so you can get a good after Christmas play date---say on New Years or maybe during the week leading up to the CFP National Championship Game. Thats how you raise the G5 profile among the more casual college football viewers.
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I want espn out. I want sport Media realignment that results in espn being demoted to a mid major. Please read the thread I started on this and contribute ideas.
I want them out.
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I found an interesting concept here.

(02-24-2018 09:30 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 11:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 07:42 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Well, one thing I do see is consolidation works. The best of the G5 need to consolidate into one league as much as possible It makes a difference in football SOS and it makes an even bigger (and more significant) difference in basketball RPI.

What about more of a promotion/demotion system in the G5?

One coast-2-coast TV contract where appearances and schedules would be regulated by last years finish.

Could it make enough of a difference in football scheduling to the point where the best G5 team is considered playoff worthy?

There are about 60 teams in G5. Break it into 3 regions.

West 20: MWC, NMSU, BYU, Texas schools
South 20: CUSA/SBC/ACC southern schools
North 20: MAC, Temple, UC, Marshall, Army, UConn, UMass, Navy, Liberty, ODU

The way it could work is the better 10 schools in each region form the A division while the other 10 form the B division. This way the A division has a SOS more competitive for the playoff.

Division A champion would go to a CFP bowl.
Division B champion would go to a minor bowl.

Could TV get excited about something like this? Would the fans be more excited to enjoy a different alignment each year?

Could Tulane make a bowl playing in the B division? Against lower tier CUSA and SBC competition maybe so.


I was going to mention the promotion/relegation concept in your thread about marketing the G5.
Yes, absolutely that would definitely create fan interest and quite possibly institutional interest in such an arrangement.

Would it impress the P5 ranking committee? Hell no. But it would be something marketable. And every game matters, even 1-10 vs 2-9, with relegation on the line...

This just might be crazy enough to work... But, G5 fan bases might need to be okay with saying **** all to historical/regional rivalries if your team is is promoted/demoted. Perhaps one maybe two games per team could be protected (as in they play every year even if they're "out of division"). There'd also need to be a lot of work done to make sure that P5 schools play a considerable amount of Division A schools (there may be pushback on this as they wouldn't be traditional "cupcakes").

I'd do the promotion/relegation system like Premier League and EFL Championship. Division A gets three relegations, and Division B get three promotions. You could even tie each relegation and promotion to each region. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(02-24-2018 09:21 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Sure. But to really make this worthwhile you need to hire a G5 Director to coordinate. And of course you need a catchy name for the so-called G5 that is also not denigrating.

I agree, but I have no idea what that name could be. Every division split in the past has been the have and have-nots. University/College Division, DI/DII, D1-A/D1-AA, FBS/FCS, P5/G5. Unless the goal is for Division A schools to go head to head with P5, I'm not sure there's a good way to market the G5 without acknowledging they're "non-power" or "non-major".

(02-24-2018 09:21 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  But for Football, what you really need is a de facto Group championship game the week after the conference championships. Winner goes to NYD, 2nd place still gets a decent bowl against a P5. Pirate Bowl, sure. 3rd place game winner also gets a decent bowl against a P5 maybe out west (Boise, Fresno, Hawaii?). This group championship round is technically a replacement for one regular season game. So every G5 saves a date in the schedule for one flex game that is assigned by the G5 Director. If you’re not in the running for the conference title it can stay late in the regular season (and be a nearby conference crossover opponent).

So if we look at the Division A - Division B system, do Division B schools still have a shot at the NY6 access bowl?

Let's look at UCF:
2015 0-12 (obviously would be relegated or would remain in Division B)
2016 6-7 in Division B (decent, but not good enough for promotion to Division A)
2017 12-0 in Division B

Surely UCF would be promoted to Division A in 2018, but would they have made the 2017 NY6 game?
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