(02-27-2018 10:45 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 01:57 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  +2 headed your way, Orangefan. One slight quibble: I’m not quite sure on Pittsburgh, because they could be this way or they could be different, but I do know for a fact that the Georgia Institute of Technology and the University of Louisville are neither flagships, nor are they land grant institutions. GIT or better known as GT has to have had one of the weirdest histories in all of college sports programs. GT, like UGA (the flagship & the sole FBS land grant institution for the state of Georgia), was a member of the SoCon back when it was first founded. When the SEC was formed, GT was made a founding member as well. But, GT left the SEC over a practice similar to grayshirting. Coach Dodd hated the practice because he thought it was being unfair to the players, and GT’s administration agreed with him. Eventually, GT joined the ACC, and is recognized as a space grant university today (FYI, ECU is a sea grant university). Louisville, like TCU, had repeated success against the P5 in big bowl games, and was rewarded with a spot in the ACC when Maryland left.

Pittsburgh is classified by the Pennsylvania as "state related." It receives public funding but it has some characteristics of a private school. However, Penn State and Temple are in this same category, so it appears to be a unique way in which Pennsylvania organizes and funds its highest tier state universities.

Georgia Tech clearly fits the same mold as UCLA, Florida State and Pittsburgh. It's in a state with a Flagship/Land Grant combination school, UGA. In GT's case, it's actually a better school than UGA, with a better USNWR ranking and an AAU membership.

With respect to Louisville, while they may not be as strong academically as some others, it is clearly the number two public university in its state.

In developing criteria for what a P5 looks like, we also have to be aware of circumstances. E.g., Louisville is in the ACC because the B1G raided Maryland. If that didn't happen, they are in the AAC.

Sometimes, shock events can cause schools without the apparent on-paper credentials to get upped, kind of like a "battle-field promotion" in the military.

That's really the most likely scenario for any current G5 to get a P5 bid - if one P5 raids another, and the raided P5 feels the need to back-fill. That's more likely than a P5 deciding to expand directly via G5, because the ROI just isn't there to do it.

If someone were to tell me "within 5 years, USF will be in a Power conference, how did it happen?", I'd guess it 91% likely that it happened because a P5 got raided and needed to backfill, 8% chance it was because we were just so darn pretty that a P5 pro-actively took us, and a 1% chance that the AAC was promoted to Power status.

(02-27-2018 07:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  In developing criteria for what a P5 looks like, we also have to be aware of circumstances. E.g., Louisville is in the ACC because the B1G raided Maryland. If that didn't happen, they are in the AAC.

Sometimes, shock events can cause schools without the apparent on-paper credentials to get upped, kind of like a "battle-field promotion" in the military.

That's really the most likely scenario for any current G5 to get a P5 bid - if one P5 raids another, and the raided P5 feels the need to back-fill. That's more likely than a P5 deciding to expand directly via G5, because the ROI just isn't there to do it.

If someone were to tell me "within 5 years, USF will be in a Power conference, how did it happen?", I'd guess it 91% likely that it happened because a P5 got raided and needed to backfill, 8% chance it was because we were just so darn pretty that a P5 pro-actively took us, and a 1% chance that the AAC was promoted to Power status.

Aren't you being just a bit optimistic about this?

(02-27-2018 07:32 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  In developing criteria for what a P5 looks like, we also have to be aware of circumstances. E.g., Louisville is in the ACC because the B1G raided Maryland. If that didn't happen, they are in the AAC.

Sometimes, shock events can cause schools without the apparent on-paper credentials to get upped, kind of like a "battle-field promotion" in the military.

That's really the most likely scenario for any current G5 to get a P5 bid - if one P5 raids another, and the raided P5 feels the need to back-fill. That's more likely than a P5 deciding to expand directly via G5, because the ROI just isn't there to do it.

If someone were to tell me "within 5 years, USF will be in a Power conference, how did it happen?", I'd guess it 91% likely that it happened because a P5 got raided and needed to backfill, 8% chance it was because we were just so darn pretty that a P5 pro-actively took us, and a 1% chance that the AAC was promoted to Power status.

Aren't you being just a bit optimistic about this?

Hahahahaha. He’s not an AAC fan. So a 1% chance for the AAC to get promoted up is extremely optimistic for him.

(02-27-2018 11:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:32 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  In developing criteria for what a P5 looks like, we also have to be aware of circumstances. E.g., Louisville is in the ACC because the B1G raided Maryland. If that didn't happen, they are in the AAC.

Sometimes, shock events can cause schools without the apparent on-paper credentials to get upped, kind of like a "battle-field promotion" in the military.

That's really the most likely scenario for any current G5 to get a P5 bid - if one P5 raids another, and the raided P5 feels the need to back-fill. That's more likely than a P5 deciding to expand directly via G5, because the ROI just isn't there to do it.

If someone were to tell me "within 5 years, USF will be in a Power conference, how did it happen?", I'd guess it 91% likely that it happened because a P5 got raided and needed to backfill, 8% chance it was because we were just so darn pretty that a P5 pro-actively took us, and a 1% chance that the AAC was promoted to Power status.

Aren't you being just a bit optimistic about this?

Hahahahaha. He’s not an AAC fan. So a 1% chance for the AAC to get promoted up is extremely optimistic for him.

I'd say it's extremely optimistic for anyone.

(02-27-2018 07:32 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  In developing criteria for what a P5 looks like, we also have to be aware of circumstances. E.g., Louisville is in the ACC because the B1G raided Maryland. If that didn't happen, they are in the AAC.

Sometimes, shock events can cause schools without the apparent on-paper credentials to get upped, kind of like a "battle-field promotion" in the military.

That's really the most likely scenario for any current G5 to get a P5 bid - if one P5 raids another, and the raided P5 feels the need to back-fill. That's more likely than a P5 deciding to expand directly via G5, because the ROI just isn't there to do it.

If someone were to tell me "within 5 years, USF will be in a Power conference, how did it happen?", I'd guess it 91% likely that it happened because a P5 got raided and needed to backfill, 8% chance it was because we were just so darn pretty that a P5 pro-actively took us, and a 1% chance that the AAC was promoted to Power status.

Aren't you being just a bit optimistic about this?

Probably.

The NFL on Amazon
The NFL on Netflix
The NFL on Facebook
The NFL on YouTube
The NFL on Twitter

That is what will make ESPN a NON-Major(as would everything else).

With the Belch resigning up to be a key player in ESPN’s new ESpin plus...could be a good thing or a bad thing for espn. They have all the rights now to Maction, the belch, the AAC (until 2019-2020) and the ACC (until 2038)
They have to split rights with Fox for Big 10, Big 12 and Fox.
They have to give up the best SEC game of the week to CBS
They have 0 of Notre Dame’s home games. (NBC)
They get 2nd tier of MWC games after cbs-SN.
CUSA isn’t decided yet.
In hoops they don’t have tier 1 to the A10 or MVC
They don’t have the Big East (Fox)

(03-01-2018 05:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  In hoops they don’t have tier 1 to the A10 or MVC

I'd sell my soul to the devil and say I wish they did. A10 TV sucks. Unless it's a home game or URI, or a top 25 team, the only station I can watch A10 on is NBC Sports. The problem with NESN (and all of the regional sports networks) is that if I want to watch a VCU or Mason game... nope because I don't live in Virginia so I don't get MASN. I'd hope that ESPN could help solve that problem.

I just think it's ridiculous that I can watch a Sun Belt game no problem, yet I have to go through all these hoops (pun intended) to watch games from a multi-bid conference.

(02-26-2018 04:22 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Yes, Fox is still an insignificant competitor. It's doing okay but ESPN had a 35 year head start. If I still had ESPN, it'd be automatic for me to turn it on for everything from sports news to PTI, to 30-for-30 to games. I'd only turn on FSI for games.

Two of the top three in the RPI are Villanova and Xavier, who had most of their Big East games on Fox or FS1, with some on CBS Sports Network and none on an ESPN channel. Fox isn't insignificant if you want to watch teams who could be champion.

(03-02-2018 12:44 AM)McKinney Wrote:  A10 TV sucks. Unless it's a home game or URI, or a top 25 team, the only station I can watch A10 on is NBC Sports. The problem with NESN (and all of the regional sports networks) is that if I want to watch a VCU or Mason game... nope because I don't live in Virginia so I don't get MASN. I'd hope that ESPN could help solve that problem.

I just think it's ridiculous that I can watch a Sun Belt game no problem, yet I have to go through all these hoops (pun intended) to watch games from a multi-bid conference.

Atlantic 10 fans shouldn't complain about TV. NBC Sports Network has Atlantic 10 tripleheaders. I'm a fan of Hofstra in the CAA, which is two spots below the Atlantic 10 in the Conference RPI, and has no TV deal. College of Charleston is ahead of 12 out of 14 Atlantic 10 teams in RPI and 6 out of 14 Atlantic 10 teams in attendance. Fordham, who is bad and averages under 40% the attendance of College of Charleston, has 4 out of 18 Atlantic 10 games on national TV and three more on a regional sports network in another area. George Mason, who averages a little higher attendance than College of Charleston but is a much worse team, has 8 Atlantic 10 games on national TV and 3 or MASN which is available in their area. Do those teams deserve to be on TV more than College of Charleston? The Atlantic 10 has 65 conference games (51.6%) on national TV. I'm confident that neither the Mountain West, which 1 spot ahead of the Atlantic 10 in the Conference RPI, nor the Mid-American, which is slightly behind the Atlantic 10, has anywhere near half their games on national TV.

Oh please, FS1 is too new to be an institution like ESPN.

(03-02-2018 11:08 AM)EvanJ Wrote:  Atlantic 10 fans shouldn't complain about TV. NBC Sports Network has Atlantic 10 tripleheaders. I'm a fan of Hofstra in the CAA, which is two spots below the Atlantic 10 in the Conference RPI, and has no TV deal. College of Charleston is ahead of 12 out of 14 Atlantic 10 teams in RPI and 6 out of 14 Atlantic 10 teams in attendance. Fordham, who is bad and averages under 40% the attendance of College of Charleston, has 4 out of 18 Atlantic 10 games on national TV and three more on a regional sports network in another area. George Mason, who averages a little higher attendance than College of Charleston but is a much worse team, has 8 Atlantic 10 games on national TV and 3 or MASN which is available in their area. Do those teams deserve to be on TV more than College of Charleston? The Atlantic 10 has 65 conference games (51.6%) on national TV. I'm confident that neither the Mountain West, which 1 spot ahead of the Atlantic 10 in the Conference RPI, nor the Mid-American, which is slightly behind the Atlantic 10, has anywhere near half their games on national TV.

IDK what to tell ya mate. Atlantic 10 may not be the worst conference in the land in terms of TV, but not being able to watch a game has frustrated the **** out of me more often than not.

If it's any consolation, I'd kick out Fordham and La Salle in a heartbeat.

What about Duquesne? 0 NCAAT appearances on 40 years. Even La Sallie has been to the Sweet 16 recently.

(03-02-2018 06:13 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  What about Duquesne? 0 NCAAT appearances on 40 years. Even La Sallie has been to the Sweet 16 recently.

Oh for sure. GONE. However, I think it'd be harder to kick them out (politically speaking) because they are a founding member. If only they had stayed in MCC (Horizon) when they left in 1992. It was the perfect foist!

If only they had stayed, why were they let back in?

(03-03-2018 02:42 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  If only they had stayed, why were they let back in?

Your guess is as good as mine. haha

(03-02-2018 11:16 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh please, FS1 is too new to be an institution like ESPN.

I'm not saying FS1 is as famous as ESPN, but FS1 has quality games. If a conference got more money offered from FS1, would the conference take less money to be on a more famous channel? Creighton has an average attendance of 17,000. Complaining FS1 is new is like saying that Creighton can't be one of the most popular teams now because they used to be in the Missouri Valley. Things change.

Of course it has quality games. Doesn't mean it holds a candle to ESPN. Carl's Jr. has tasty burgers (to me anyways). It doesn't mean it compares to McDonald's as an institution (which I like less BTW).

Other ideas on making sure espn a mid major :
Putting some NCAA tournament games on CBS-SN and a few more 1st and 2nd round games on NBC SN. Boost those networks up a bit.

I’ll be watching college basketball on free tv all day today. Not Espin.
CBS:
Memphis vs Cincinnati 1:00 ET
Wichita St vs Houston 3:30 ET
San Diego St vs New Mexico 6:00 ET
Fox:
Villanova vs Providence: Primetime Big East game

Who needs Espin with these great games on FREE TV to watch from morning to night?

(03-10-2018 12:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’ll be watching college basketball on free tv all day today. Not Espin.
CBS:
Memphis vs Cincinnati 1:00 ET
Wichita St vs Houston 3:30 ET
San Diego St vs New Mexico 6:00 ET
Fox:
Villanova vs Providence: Primetime Big East game

Who needs Espin with these great games on FREE TV to watch from morning to night?

I can't get those channels free. Even the most basic cable package (i.e., with just the big networks and no "cable channels") still costs something.