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(02-25-2018 04:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I agree. This has been a good game the last 2 years. How were y'all able to keep it an annual game, and would you like it set on the same weekend every year? Seems like the rest of us are rotating our cross divisional games.

My understanding is this was a concession made during realignment when the league wanted to move Southern Miss to the West Division. With the conference expansion, Southern Miss and Marshall were concerned about losing the annual matchup against the only other holdover "name" in the league with the change in division. The agreement was made that the league would continue to schedule USM and Marshall as an annual cross-division opponent so long as both schools agreed to maintain the arrangement. To date, neither school has desired to eliminate the matchup.

The odd thing about this rivalry is that although its about as even as it gets from a record perspective (7-6), the series itself hasn't been overly heated. Southern Miss had some really strong teams when Marshall was struggling, and Marshall had a recent successful run when Southern Miss had their own struggles including their winless season. Aside from 2011 when Marshall beat their eventual conference champion and Top 25 finisher as well as the 2017 game decided by a botched extra point, the series really hasn't had a lot of notable moments. While I think we prefer to play the Golden Eagles over most any other West Division opponent, I don't think the emotions are high enough to say it has to be on a particular weekend. I'm simply satisfied we still have them on the home schedule every other year.

When we were in the MAC, we typically played Ohio at the end of the year. The first Marshall-Ohio game was played in 1905, and we're separated by 80 miles. We played in weeks 2 or 3 of September during our recent 6 game series, and we play in early Sept. again when the series resumes after next year. Since they are so close and we have the history with them (are we the only CUSA team that has an active traveling trophy with an OOC FBS team?), I feel like they should be our Thanksgiving weekend rivalry game - even though it is now an OOC game. (The Ohio U game is the only thing I miss about not being in the MAC).
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(02-25-2018 06:02 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:31 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:18 PM)forerunner Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 03:38 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  In the western Division I think LA Tech is developing some good rivalries with USM (LATech won 2 of 3) and North Texas (LA Tech won 3 of 2). But not with UTSA [...]

(02-25-2018 04:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I agree. Records certainly are not the only factor. My thinking was aside from North Texas and UTSA, none of the teams in C-USA West really have a strong dislike for another fanbase or team [...]

You're crazy. Most La Tech fans and UTSA fans hate each other. Opinions vary about whether it is a "rivalry" (yes), but ask any of us how we feel about the other fan base. 05-mafia

Not trying to take away from the thread. Good post, at least better than realignment.

Sorry. I didn't realize the UTSA fanbase had that much hate in them. Glad to hear you are building something with LA Tech. Since we are on the topic. Who do y'all hate more... North Texas or LA Tech?

I don't have a dislike for anyone in our conference, but I'll try to answer for others, who can correct me if I'm wrong, and say it's probably about a tie. If I absolutely had to choose one though, it might be North Texas by a very small margin.
You Texans have gone soft. Maybe that’s why Florida has been putting out far superior athletes for the past 20 years.
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The word rivalry is thrown around a bit too liberally if you ask me. 50 years ago, Middle's rivals were Western Kentucky, Tennessee Tech, Murray State...

As a matter of fact, excluding Western, the only CUSA teams we've played more than seven times, are FIU(13), FAU(15) and UNT(15).

Compare that to Tennessee Tech(75), Murray State(70), WKU(67), Austin Peay(53), EKU(48), Morehead St(46), Tennessee-Chattanooga(37), ETSU(36).

If we kept this current CUSA alignment for 30 more years, five of our six most played opponents would still be these former rivals now in FCS or no longer playing football. At that point FAU would be seventh at 45 games.

This is not to say that I wish we still had those rivals, in the last twenty years we've played Tennessee Tech and Austin Peay once each.

But hell, a little over a decade ago(while WKU was still FCS), our "biggest rival" was North Texas and then Troy, both of which are mostly afterthoughts at this point. I couldn't care less if we ever play Troy again and short of meeting in a CCG several times in a short period, there's little reason to believe we'll ever see the UNT "rivalry" liven back up.

Our rival is Western Kentucky. FAU is developing into a bit of a football specific rival, but that's more to do with them being the one constant through realignment, we've played 15 consecutive seasons, but their 4-11 record and recently snapping a nine year losing streak has done little to make it about anything more than the happenstance of moving from the SBC to CUSA in the same season.

Rivalries do not develop over the course of an average CFB player's career of 3-5 years, not even a decade like Brandon Doughty's time at Western is really enough time to develop a rivalry.
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(02-25-2018 06:22 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I agree. This has been a good game the last 2 years. How were y'all able to keep it an annual game, and would you like it set on the same weekend every year? Seems like the rest of us are rotating our cross divisional games.

My understanding is this was a concession made during realignment when the league wanted to move Southern Miss to the West Division. With the conference expansion, Southern Miss and Marshall were concerned about losing the annual matchup against the only other holdover "name" in the league with the change in division. The agreement was made that the league would continue to schedule USM and Marshall as an annual cross-division opponent so long as both schools agreed to maintain the arrangement. To date, neither school has desired to eliminate the matchup.

The odd thing about this rivalry is that although its about as even as it gets from a record perspective (7-6), the series itself hasn't been overly heated. Southern Miss had some really strong teams when Marshall was struggling, and Marshall had a recent successful run when Southern Miss had their own struggles including their winless season. Aside from 2011 when Marshall beat their eventual conference champion and Top 25 finisher as well as the 2017 game decided by a botched extra point, the series really hasn't had a lot of notable moments. While I think we prefer to play the Golden Eagles over most any other West Division opponent, I don't think the emotions are high enough to say it has to be on a particular weekend. I'm simply satisfied we still have them on the home schedule every other year.

When we were in the MAC, we typically played Ohio at the end of the year. The first Marshall-Ohio game was played in 1905, and we're separated by 80 miles. We played in weeks 2 or 3 of September during our recent 6 game series, and we play in early Sept. again when the series resumes after next year. Since they are so close and we have the history with them (are we the only CUSA team that has an active traveling trophy with an OOC FBS team?), I feel like they should be our Thanksgiving weekend rivalry game - even though it is now an OOC game. (The Ohio U game is the only thing I miss about not being in the MAC).

Screw going to Athens in the winter. Some of the coldest games I've attended were there in late fall/early winter. 2000 comes to mind particularly.
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I wouldn't mind a rivalry with UNCC. Hate their logo and they are regional,.. good enough to build a love to hate relationship for me.
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(02-25-2018 06:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  The word rivalry is thrown around a bit too liberally if you ask me. 50 years ago, Middle's rivals were Western Kentucky, Tennessee Tech, Murray State...

Good point. There should be less rivalry, and more chivalry.

We’ll go first. Some of you have may already noticed our very chivalrous defense the past couple of years. No, please, right this way, let us hold the door for you...
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(02-25-2018 06:22 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  (are we the only CUSA team that has an active traveling trophy with an OOC FBS team?),

Nope.

The Bayou Bucket trophy has been contested out-of-conference over three separate time spans between the two participants, and during two other time spans as conference mates. It’s been on the final weekend, opening weekend, and everywhere in between. It resumes this year on September 1 after a couple years hiatus.

One of the best ones of the series was 2008 when the record setting duo of Chase Clement and Jarret Dillard outlasted the freshman Case Keenum to win the CUSA West division (co-)Championship.
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(02-25-2018 06:03 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says Charlotte’s rival is winning.

I’ve just been handed this final score...

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(02-25-2018 06:20 PM)Seminowl Wrote:  
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(02-25-2018 04:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  the way UTSA cost us a spot in the championship game back in 2013.

...which is why I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for good ol’ UTSA <3 <3 <3

The resta y’all... ooowee shore luv to beat y’all.

ODU got a couple mentions already. NOT pleased that they came in our house back when we were no less the DEFENDING CHAMPIONS of this here fine league. Plus we thought we might get a rare taste of victory up in Norfolk last year, but, folk no.

Our main CUSA football rival is always our next game. USM, you are on the clock. You might be overlooking little ol’ Rice this year. You go right on ahead. We have been down but we are coming back. And I can’t think of a better place for our coming out party than right off of Brett Favre Way in Down Town Hatty’s Land. Miss your old Hawkeyes logo but your new look has at least helped lately in your series with us. That all comes to a screeching halt, September 22, 2018.
That’s pretty weak lol. I wish the Texas teams had more of a rivalry. There’s no reason you shouldn’t dislike in state schools, or even LaTech.


You’re right it is weak for USM to borrow another team’s mascot but at least they changed the name up a little GOLDEN Eagles, not exactly the same as Philadelphia’s Eagles.
If FAU is going to borrow our mascot, might I recommend they also burrow it. #GoFauBurrowingOwls

P. S. We do have a modicum of disdain for those within a certain radius. But UTSA’s road runner is soooo cute, almost as cute as a cute little Burrowing Owl.
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Despite the series being mostly one-sided, UNT's biggest rival will always be SMU. Doesnt matter what sport, I hate them. As for CUSA, I would say the only game I really get pumped about is when Middle shows up on the sched (I was a student in the Sun Belt years). UTSA is developing into something in football though.
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To be honest, FAU has developed no rivalries other than versus the FIU. And that rivalry had nothing to do with the C-USA. it just migrated from SunBelt to C-USA just as both schools did.
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I kind of see it like this...

Rivals

SMU- Lots of hate, Compete for the same athletes in the same region, Very different types of schools, have been playing each other since 1922 (95 years).

Developing Rivalries

UTSA- Also lots of hate, Compete for the same talent around the state, North Texas id the oldest university in the western division and UTSA is the youngest, Heartbreaking loses on both sides despite the series only being 5 years old.

Rice- The two largest cities in Texas, Very different universities (Public vs private and Largest vs. smallest in the division), Both teams have won a few, but North Texas has snagged two of their wins in dramatic fashion at the end of the game ("The Stand"-2013 & "The Stop"-2016). I'd think that irritates Rice fans just a little.

LA Tech- It is a state pride thing, and we compete for recruits in East Texas and Louisiana. I think North Texas fans have quietly resented LA Tech's ability to "do more with less", while UNT has enjoyed advantages, like size, money, and location, but have still historically struggled to be competitive for the better part of the 21st century. Thank goodness things appear to be changing.

Could and probably should be a Developing Rivalry

Southern Miss-North Texas began playing Southern Miss in 1956, which makes it the second oldest series within the division for both programs. The series is currently tied at 6-6. Despite it being a competitive series over the last 5 season, it just hasn't become a prominent match up within the western division.
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(02-25-2018 06:05 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:19 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  Marshall/WKU has turned into a heated rivalry. I feel that Marshall/ODU could become something in a few years. Cross division rival for us has to be USM which I love to be honest.

I agree. This has been a good game the last 2 years. How were y'all able to keep it an annual game, and would you like it set on the same weekend every year? Seems like the rest of us are rotating our cross divisional games.

I think USM will drop off of our schedule for 2019 as we were their first cross divisional opponent after switching to the west....pretty sure it'll rotate
Its about time. I like the marshall series, but we have not played wku as a league game.
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(02-25-2018 06:05 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:19 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  Marshall/WKU has turned into a heated rivalry. I feel that Marshall/ODU could become something in a few years. Cross division rival for us has to be USM which I love to be honest.

I agree. This has been a good game the last 2 years. How were y'all able to keep it an annual game, and would you like it set on the same weekend every year? Seems like the rest of us are rotating our cross divisional games.

I think USM will drop off of our schedule for 2019 as we were their first cross divisional opponent after switching to the west....pretty sure it'll rotate
Its about time. I like the marshall series, but we have not played wku as a league game.
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(02-25-2018 09:52 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I kind of see it like this...

Rivals

SMU- Lots of hate, Compete for the same athletes in the same region, Very different types of schools, have been playing each other since 1922 (95 years).

Developing Rivalries

UTSA- Also lots of hate, Compete for the same talent around the state, North Texas id the oldest university in the western division and UTSA is the youngest, Heartbreaking loses on both sides despite the series only being 5 years old.

Rice- The two largest cities in Texas, Very different universities (Public vs private and Largest vs. smallest in the division), Both teams have won a few, but North Texas has snagged two of their wins in dramatic fashion at the end of the game ("The Stand"-2013 & "The Stop"-2016). I'd think that irritates Rice fans just a little.

LA Tech- It is a state pride thing, and we compete for recruits in East Texas and Louisiana. I think North Texas fans have quietly resented LA Tech's ability to "do more with less", while UNT has enjoyed advantages, like size, money, and location, but have still historically struggled to be competitive for the better part of the 21st century. Thank goodness things appear to be changing.

Could and probably should be a Developing Rivalry

[b]Southern Miss-North Texas began playing Southern Miss in 1956, which makes it the second oldest series within the division for both programs. The series is currently tied at 6-6. Despite it being a competitive series over the last 5 season, it just hasn't become a prominent match up within the western division.[/b]
I think it will get bigger. Most of our meetings were from the days we were both independents.
I see the tech game getting bigger for us yearly
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(02-25-2018 09:52 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I kind of see it like this...

Rivals

SMU- Lots of hate, Compete for the same athletes in the same region, Very different types of schools, have been playing each other since 1922 (95 years).

Developing Rivalries

UTSA- Also lots of hate, Compete for the same talent around the state, North Texas id the oldest university in the western division and UTSA is the youngest, Heartbreaking loses on both sides despite the series only being 5 years old.

Rice- The two largest cities in Texas, Very different universities (Public vs private and Largest vs. smallest in the division), Both teams have won a few, but North Texas has snagged two of their wins in dramatic fashion at the end of the game ("The Stand"-2013 & "The Stop"-2016). I'd think that irritates Rice fans just a little.

LA Tech- It is a state pride thing, and we compete for recruits in East Texas and Louisiana. I think North Texas fans have quietly resented LA Tech's ability to "do more with less", while UNT has enjoyed advantages, like size, money, and location, but have still historically struggled to be competitive for the better part of the 21st century. Thank goodness things appear to be changing.

Could and probably should be a Developing Rivalry

[b]Southern Miss-North Texas began playing Southern Miss in 1956, which makes it the second oldest series within the division for both programs. The series is currently tied at 6-6. Despite it being a competitive series over the last 5 season, it just hasn't become a prominent match up within the western division.[/b]
I think it will get bigger. Most of our meetings were from the days we were both independents.
I see the tech game getting bigger for us yearly
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(02-25-2018 11:10 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 06:05 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:37 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 04:19 PM)Surbadger Wrote:  Marshall/WKU has turned into a heated rivalry. I feel that Marshall/ODU could become something in a few years. Cross division rival for us has to be USM which I love to be honest.

I agree. This has been a good game the last 2 years. How were y'all able to keep it an annual game, and would you like it set on the same weekend every year? Seems like the rest of us are rotating our cross divisional games.

I think USM will drop off of our schedule for 2019 as we were their first cross divisional opponent after switching to the west....pretty sure it'll rotate
Its about time. I like the marshall series, but we have not played wku as a league game.

our only rivalries over the past 40 yrs were with MEM, ECU, and UL.....one could make the argument that La Tech and Marshall is developing into one.....

it would be nice to play MT and WKU for a few consecutive years.....that could develop into something of interest....why the scheduling body has ignored that is beyond my ability to comprehend.....

the bottom line is this thread reminds me of this.....

[Image: OldBossyGnat-max-1mb.gif]

most southern miss fans don't care anymore....

it's not due to disrespecting the schools in cusa 3.0....it's due to our lack of local leadership dropping the ball too many times over the past two decades....

shite....we can't even get our former rivals to play us OOC anymore.....that just flat out sucks....

college football is losing many a fan over the age of 50 in the g5 category by the year....money has screwed up something that was really a good thing once upon....

back in '11 when I joined this board, I tried to warn how this would play out.....hell, wait until '20 when the TV contracts for the big boys expire......it'll really get fonzies then.....

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(02-25-2018 11:37 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  our only rivalries over the past 40 yrs were with MEM, ECU, and UL.....one could make the argument that La Tech and Marshall is developing into one.....

it would be nice to play MT and WKU for a few consecutive years.....that could develop into something of interest....why the scheduling body has ignored that is beyond my ability to comprehend.....

the bottom line is this thread reminds me of this.....

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While I too would like to play USM more regularly, the scheduling body isn't trying to make things more interesting for some teams and not others, with an eight game conference schedule and fourteen members, there just isn't much that can be done, especially when, if I'm not mistaken, 2017/2018 will be the first time we've had the same 14 members aligned in the same divisions, back to back seasons since the beginning of 3.0.
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The only schools that get the blood moving in conference at Marshall to date are: USM, WKU, MT. The rest just hasn't had time or will never do anything for fan interest. Its not a knock on other schools, just how it is in Huntington for now.
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(02-25-2018 09:52 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I kind of see it like this...

Rivals

SMU- Lots of hate, Compete for the same athletes in the same region, Very different types of schools, have been playing each other since 1922 (95 years).

Developing Rivalries

UTSA- Also lots of hate, Compete for the same talent around the state, North Texas id the oldest university in the western division and UTSA is the youngest, Heartbreaking loses on both sides despite the series only being 5 years old.

Rice- The two largest cities in Texas, Very different universities (Public vs private and Largest vs. smallest in the division), Both teams have won a few, but North Texas has snagged two of their wins in dramatic fashion at the end of the game ("The Stand"-2013 & "The Stop"-2016). I'd think that irritates Rice fans just a little.

LA Tech- It is a state pride thing, and we compete for recruits in East Texas and Louisiana. I think North Texas fans have quietly resented LA Tech's ability to "do more with less", while UNT has enjoyed advantages, like size, money, and location, but have still historically struggled to be competitive for the better part of the 21st century. Thank goodness things appear to be changing.

Could and probably should be a Developing Rivalry

Southern Miss-North Texas began playing Southern Miss in 1956, which makes it the second oldest series within the division for both programs. The series is currently tied at 6-6. Despite it being a competitive series over the last 5 season, it just hasn't become a prominent match up within the western division.


“two largest cities in Texas”...you might want to check with the UTSA folks on that one
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