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(02-28-2018 01:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not sure I see why going from halves to quarters is a big deal. What practical difference will it make? Is it just to allow for more commercials?
Big thing is it'll speed up games. Instead of TV timeouts at 16/12/8/4- you'll have TV timeouts at the 5 minute mark of the quarter. But the bigger change is with the fouls. You'll find those reset each quarter- going to double bonus at 5. So like go to last years title game where there were 10 fouls by the 10 minute mark of the half. Last year- every foul from there on, double bonus. With quarters- first 4 common fouls are just inbounds plays.
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(02-28-2018 01:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But I've always liked getting rid of the 1 and 1. It shouldn't be easy for teams to foul their way back into a game.

Yeah, it's much too easy for teams that are behind to drag out a game by fouling repeatedly. It makes the end of many games a lot less enjoyable. And that problem is much worse in college hoops than it is in the NBA, because the percentage of poor free throw shooters is much higher in college. (The NBA had teams that tried to "Hack-A-Shaq" because he was usually the only poor free throw shooter his team had on the floor, whereas some college teams have only one good free throw shooter that you have to avoid fouling when you foul intentionally at the end of the game.)

Id prefer fouls in the last 2 minutes to be 1 free throw and possession of the ball. The end of basketball games have become a a 2 minute round of P-I-G. Its boring. A foul is a foul because a player did something against the rules. Its supposed to be a punishment. Essentially, todays game REWARDS fouling (breaking the rules) at the end of the game. Make it so the last minute foul-fest isnt so advantageous to the team fouling.
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(02-27-2018 09:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I'm good with the FIBA 3 point line, I've felt it was too short for several years.
I like the 20 second reset. Honestly after watching an 11 and 12 seconds run off the shot clock Saturday without a ten second backcourt count, I'd eliminate the 10 seconds to cross midcourt rule but that's apparently not on the table.
Wider lane is about 20 years overdue.
Quarters vs Half I don't see any real change there. There media timeouts sort of take care of the matter. I'd stay with halves simply because it has always been a game of halves but for a few years when the NCAA went to quarters and changed back.

I dont really care about moving the 3-pt line. I just think its silly to do it at the end of a season when none of the players have prepared for it.
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(02-28-2018 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But I've always liked getting rid of the 1 and 1. It shouldn't be easy for teams to foul their way back into a game.

Yeah, it's much too easy for teams that are behind to drag out a game by fouling repeatedly. It makes the end of many games a lot less enjoyable. And that problem is much worse in college hoops than it is in the NBA, because the percentage of poor free throw shooters is much higher in college. (The NBA had teams that tried to "Hack-A-Shaq" because he was usually the only poor free throw shooter his team had on the floor, whereas some college teams have only one good free throw shooter that you have to avoid fouling when you foul intentionally at the end of the game.)

Id prefer fouls in the last 2 minutes to be 1 free throw and possession of the ball. The end of basketball games have become a a 2 minute round of P-I-G. Its boring. A foul is a foul because a player did something against the rules. Its supposed to be a punishment. Essentially, todays game REWARDS fouling (breaking the rules) at the end of the game. Make it so the last minute foul-fest isnt so advantageous to the team fouling.

Two more ideas, which could be used either together or separately: (1) In the last 2 minutes of the game, any foul outside the offensive 3-point circle results in 3 free throws for the fouled team, whether or not the foul was in the act of shooting. (2) In the last 2 minutes, the fouled team can choose any of its 5 players on the floor to shoot the free throws.
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(02-27-2018 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw they're going to experiment with 4 rules changes in the NIT this season..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s-used-nit

1- longer 3 point line(moved back to FIBA line)
2- wider free throw lane(12 feet current to NBA 16 feet)
3- quarters not halves
4- after missed shots- shot clock will reset to 20 instead of 30 on offensive rebounds

should be really interesting.

I like 1 to 3. I see no reason for 4. That's just changing things to change things.
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(02-27-2018 05:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Why don’t they just make it like the NBA, so I don’t watch it anymore. I like the halves, hate the 30 second clock (too many bricks), move it back to 35. I used to like it when teams like Princeton had a chance to win with a well paced disciplined offense.


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30 seconds is plenty of time. 24 is rushing it for college.
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(02-28-2018 09:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 05:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Why don’t they just make it like the NBA, so I don’t watch it anymore. I like the halves, hate the 30 second clock (too many bricks), move it back to 35. I used to like it when teams like Princeton had a chance to win with a well paced disciplined offense.


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30 seconds is plenty of time. 24 is rushing it for college.

20 is plenty off an offensive rebound, you aren't crossing the entire court.
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(02-27-2018 08:32 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would also like to them introduce the 6 fouls for disqualification rather then the 5, and this is something that has been used before, but needs to be adopted. Also I would like to see back court violation of 10 seconds b moved to the NBA 8 seconds. Another rule I would like to see looked at I see the NBA timeout rule that moves the ball to mid court in the last minute of half and end if the game, and if moved to quarters then the last minute of the 2ndquarter and 4th quarter.

5 is good. Its 40 minutes, not 48.
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(02-28-2018 01:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But I've always liked getting rid of the 1 and 1. It shouldn't be easy for teams to foul their way back into a game.

Yeah, it's much too easy for teams that are behind to drag out a game by fouling repeatedly. It makes the end of many games a lot less enjoyable. And that problem is much worse in college hoops than it is in the NBA, because the percentage of poor free throw shooters is much higher in college. (The NBA had teams that tried to "Hack-A-Shaq" because he was usually the only poor free throw shooter his team had on the floor, whereas some college teams have only one good free throw shooter that you have to avoid fouling when you foul intentionally at the end of the game.)

Hack a Howard. Teams had to take him out the last two minutes.
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(02-28-2018 09:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:05 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 05:51 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Why don’t they just make it like the NBA, so I don’t watch it anymore. I like the halves, hate the 30 second clock (too many bricks), move it back to 35. I used to like it when teams like Princeton had a chance to win with a well paced disciplined offense.


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30 seconds is plenty of time. 24 is rushing it for college.

20 is plenty off an offensive rebound, you aren't crossing the entire court.

Like I said, its change just to change.
(with the 24 I was referring to the NBA clock vs. 30 vs. 35).
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(02-28-2018 09:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 08:32 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would also like to them introduce the 6 fouls for disqualification rather then the 5, and this is something that has been used before, but needs to be adopted. Also I would like to see back court violation of 10 seconds b moved to the NBA 8 seconds. Another rule I would like to see looked at I see the NBA timeout rule that moves the ball to mid court in the last minute of half and end if the game, and if moved to quarters then the last minute of the 2ndquarter and 4th quarter.

5 is good. Its 40 minutes, not 48.

Only way I could support six fouls to disqualification is if a game goes to a second OT and the player hasn't reached five by the start.
Or just for amusement in regulation if having a disqualified player means you can't replace them. 03-lmfao
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(02-28-2018 09:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw they're going to experiment with 4 rules changes in the NIT this season..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s-used-nit

1- longer 3 point line(moved back to FIBA line)
2- wider free throw lane(12 feet current to NBA 16 feet)
3- quarters not halves
4- after missed shots- shot clock will reset to 20 instead of 30 on offensive rebounds

should be really interesting.

I like 1 to 3. I see no reason for 4. That's just changing things to change things.
it actually meshes with the FIBA game. It makes sense in a lot of ways. You don't need the 10 seconds to cross half court, so why exactly should you get a full 30 seconds?
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(02-28-2018 09:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 08:32 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would also like to them introduce the 6 fouls for disqualification rather then the 5, and this is something that has been used before, but needs to be adopted. Also I would like to see back court violation of 10 seconds b moved to the NBA 8 seconds. Another rule I would like to see looked at I see the NBA timeout rule that moves the ball to mid court in the last minute of half and end if the game, and if moved to quarters then the last minute of the 2ndquarter and 4th quarter.

5 is good. Its 40 minutes, not 48.

Only way I could support six fouls to disqualification is if a game goes to a second OT and the player hasn't reached five by the start.
Or just for amusement in regulation if having a disqualified player means you can't replace them. 03-lmfao

There you go. And have the referee hold a red card up in the player's face, like in soccer. 03-lmfao
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(02-28-2018 03:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 02:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:23 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But I've always liked getting rid of the 1 and 1. It shouldn't be easy for teams to foul their way back into a game.

Yeah, it's much too easy for teams that are behind to drag out a game by fouling repeatedly. It makes the end of many games a lot less enjoyable. And that problem is much worse in college hoops than it is in the NBA, because the percentage of poor free throw shooters is much higher in college. (The NBA had teams that tried to "Hack-A-Shaq" because he was usually the only poor free throw shooter his team had on the floor, whereas some college teams have only one good free throw shooter that you have to avoid fouling when you foul intentionally at the end of the game.)

Id prefer fouls in the last 2 minutes to be 1 free throw and possession of the ball. The end of basketball games have become a a 2 minute round of P-I-G. Its boring. A foul is a foul because a player did something against the rules. Its supposed to be a punishment. Essentially, todays game REWARDS fouling (breaking the rules) at the end of the game. Make it so the last minute foul-fest isnt so advantageous to the team fouling.

Two more ideas, which could be used either together or separately: (1) In the last 2 minutes of the game, any foul outside the offensive 3-point circle results in 3 free throws for the fouled team, whether or not the foul was in the act of shooting. (2) In the last 2 minutes, the fouled team can choose any of its 5 players on the floor to shoot the free throws.

Hmmmm....I think I like both of those! 04-cheers
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The thing is, if it's not even being considered as an experiment in the NIT- is shows there's no chance of it ever happening. TV doesn't want a game with a minute to go being over for all intents and purposes.
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(02-28-2018 01:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not sure I see why going from halves to quarters is a big deal. What practical difference will it make? Is it just to allow for more commercials?
Big thing is it'll speed up games. Instead of TV timeouts at 16/12/8/4- you'll have TV timeouts at the 5 minute mark of the quarter. But the bigger change is with the fouls. You'll find those reset each quarter- going to double bonus at 5. So like go to last years title game where there were 10 fouls by the 10 minute mark of the half. Last year- every foul from there on, double bonus. With quarters- first 4 common fouls are just inbounds plays.

Got it. Thanks. I didn't see the part about fouls resetting in the OP.
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(02-28-2018 09:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw they're going to experiment with 4 rules changes in the NIT this season..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s-used-nit

1- longer 3 point line(moved back to FIBA line)
2- wider free throw lane(12 feet current to NBA 16 feet)
3- quarters not halves
4- after missed shots- shot clock will reset to 20 instead of 30 on offensive rebounds

should be really interesting.

I like 1 to 3. I see no reason for 4. That's just changing things to change things.
it actually meshes with the FIBA game. It makes sense in a lot of ways. You don't need the 10 seconds to cross half court, so why exactly should you get a full 30 seconds?

What problem does it cause having 30?

And its one more thing to get screwed up.

Change just for change.
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(03-01-2018 01:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 09:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:24 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw they're going to experiment with 4 rules changes in the NIT this season..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s-used-nit

1- longer 3 point line(moved back to FIBA line)
2- wider free throw lane(12 feet current to NBA 16 feet)
3- quarters not halves
4- after missed shots- shot clock will reset to 20 instead of 30 on offensive rebounds

should be really interesting.

I like 1 to 3. I see no reason for 4. That's just changing things to change things.
it actually meshes with the FIBA game. It makes sense in a lot of ways. You don't need the 10 seconds to cross half court, so why exactly should you get a full 30 seconds?

What problem does it cause having 30?

And its one more thing to get screwed up.

Change just for change.

I presume the reason for going 20 on offensive rebounds is to make it harder for a team nursing a small lead at the end of the game to milk the clock. Because I'm guessing that outside of that circumstance, or perhaps within a deliberate offense, most offensive rebounds either become putbacks or get kicked out for a quick shot. In which case, going to 20 doesn't really change anything at all.

Not only change for change's sake, but punishing a team for getting a late offensive rebound for nebulous reasons.
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(02-27-2018 08:32 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would also like to them introduce the 6 fouls for disqualification rather then the 5, and this is something that has been used before, but needs to be adopted. No.

Also I would like to see back court violation of 10 seconds b moved to the NBA 8 seconds. NO!

Another rule I would like to see looked at I see the NBA timeout rule that moves the ball to mid court in the last minute of half and end if the game, and if moved to quarters then the last minute of the 2ndquarter and 4th quarter.HELL NO!

And again, no.04-cheers
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(02-28-2018 01:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 01:40 PM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not sure I see why going from halves to quarters is a big deal. What practical difference will it make? Is it just to allow for more commercials?
Big thing is it'll speed up games. Instead of TV timeouts at 16/12/8/4- you'll have TV timeouts at the 5 minute mark of the quarter. But the bigger change is with the fouls. You'll find those reset each quarter- going to double bonus at 5. So like go to last years title game where there were 10 fouls by the 10 minute mark of the half. Last year- every foul from there on, double bonus. With quarters- first 4 common fouls are just inbounds plays.

I understand the foul situation, but there will be extended TV timeouts after each quarter anyway.
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