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NIT Rules Changes
Just saw they're going to experiment with 4 rules changes in the NIT this season..
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...s-used-nit

1- longer 3 point line(moved back to FIBA line)
2- wider free throw lane(12 feet current to NBA 16 feet)
3- quarters not halves
4- after missed shots- shot clock will reset to 20 instead of 30 on offensive rebounds

should be really interesting.
02-27-2018 04:24 PM
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It's just going to be a better type of game, quite honestly. The longer 3-line is huge. Couldn't imagine how such a change would impact the NCAAT if it was just sprung upon them. Gotta say, it would make for a more honest champion.
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The 3 point line change will hurt the smaller schools who have shot well from that distance. Not sure if the wider key will negate that as the bigger bodies from other schools will have to post up farther away from the basket.

I do like the change to quarters.
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NBA line would favor schools with true NBA prospects even more. I think it'll tilt the game more in favor of majors.
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The 3-point line change is huge. A lot of schools base their offense on that shot. Thats almost like experimenting with raising the basket to 11 feet. Those are big changes to spring on teams at the end of a season.
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College hoops should already be playing 4-quarter games. The only reason they're not is the mistaken belief that sticking with halves instead of quarters is what makes the college game distinctive.

The FIBA 3-point line isn't far enough back to have the effect that the deeper line has in the NBA, i.e., when the defense pushes out to the NBA 3-point line, it opens up more space for drives to the hoop and for passes to players closer to the basket.

This does open up an interesting film-watching angle for NIT teams. If I were a coach I'd have my guys identify who on the opposing team is already shooting 3s from a step or two behind the line, versus guys who only shoot 3s when they are right on the college line. Guys in the former group should be more closely guarded in the NIT, whereas for guys in the latter group, you might dare them to shoot 3s and prove they can make them from behind the FIBA line.
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(02-27-2018 04:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The 3-point line change is huge. A lot of schools base their offense on that shot. Thats almost like experimenting with raising the basket to 11 feet. Those are big changes to spring on teams at the end of a season.

That's why they're doing it in the NIT, a tournament low-stakes enough that they can futz around with the rules without undue damage while in an environment that can be replicated in regular-season play.

Not sure if the third-tier tournaments will also use these new rules, but the NCAA tournament won't until they become real-deal official.
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(02-27-2018 05:07 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:47 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The 3-point line change is huge. A lot of schools base their offense on that shot. Thats almost like experimenting with raising the basket to 11 feet. Those are big changes to spring on teams at the end of a season.

That's why they're doing it in the NIT, a tournament low-stakes enough that they can futz around with the rules without undue damage while in an environment that can be replicated in regular-season play.

Not sure if the third-tier tournaments will also use these new rules, but the NCAA tournament won't until they become real-deal official.

I guess thats kinda my point. A rule change that big is too hard to prepare for and adapt to in a week. I dont think the NIT will tell you anything more than common sense. Three point accuracy will drop dramatically. That may or may not be the case if you had an entire off season to prepare. Basically, its a worthless data set for something that big.
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Why don’t they just make it like the NBA, so I don’t watch it anymore. I like the halves, hate the 30 second clock (too many bricks), move it back to 35. I used to like it when teams like Princeton had a chance to win with a well paced disciplined offense.


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I like the 4 quarters, but don't like eliminating the 1-and-1 shot.

I like the FIBA rules for the three-point line and the wider lane. The extra spacing should advantage more athletic teams, while the 3-point line will benefit better shooting teams.
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(02-27-2018 05:02 PM)Wedge Wrote:  College hoops should already be playing 4-quarter games. The only reason they're not is the mistaken belief that sticking with halves instead of quarters is what makes the college game distinctive.

The FIBA 3-point line isn't far enough back to have the effect that the deeper line has in the NBA, i.e., when the defense pushes out to the NBA 3-point line, it opens up more space for drives to the hoop and for passes to players closer to the basket.

This does open up an interesting film-watching angle for NIT teams. If I were a coach I'd have my guys identify who on the opposing team is already shooting 3s from a step or two behind the line, versus guys who only shoot 3s when they are right on the college line. Guys in the former group should be more closely guarded in the NIT, whereas for guys in the latter group, you might dare them to shoot 3s and prove they can make them from behind the FIBA line.

I think it will, because most of players will have to be more aware where the line is if they want a 3 pt shot instead of 2 pts. There will be a psycholoical effect to it, as I think a majority of the 3 pts shots taken have been setup to get as close a possible to the current line.
I wonder if there is a compilation of 3 pts shots that can show the % difference where the new 3 pt would be.
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If people like the NBA, they have 8 months a year to watch that league.

I will be tuning out of the NIT. That’s not college hoops.
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I would also like to them introduce the 6 fouls for disqualification rather then the 5, and this is something that has been used before, but needs to be adopted. Also I would like to see back court violation of 10 seconds b moved to the NBA 8 seconds. Another rule I would like to see looked at I see the NBA timeout rule that moves the ball to mid court in the last minute of half and end if the game, and if moved to quarters then the last minute of the 2ndquarter and 4th quarter.
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(02-27-2018 04:47 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  NBA line would favor schools with true NBA prospects even more. I think it'll tilt the game more in favor of majors.

Yeah, could hurt some draft stock, as you never know who those guys are until it gets put to the test.

E.g., around 1986, two of the best three-point shooters in the country were Indiana's Steve Alford and Georgia Tech's Mark Price. Both were regarded as long range sharp-shooters, deadly from 3-point range.

But truth was, Price had NBA range (he'd make almost 1,000 threes in a 12-year career, at a 40% clip) while Alford didn't (he made 35 threes in his far shorter career). But we didn't know that when they were both shooting from the college arc.
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I'm good with the FIBA 3 point line, I've felt it was too short for several years.
I like the 20 second reset. Honestly after watching an 11 and 12 seconds run off the shot clock Saturday without a ten second backcourt count, I'd eliminate the 10 seconds to cross midcourt rule but that's apparently not on the table.
Wider lane is about 20 years overdue.
Quarters vs Half I don't see any real change there. There media timeouts sort of take care of the matter. I'd stay with halves simply because it has always been a game of halves but for a few years when the NCAA went to quarters and changed back.
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Bring back the 1 and 1, make them earn the 2nd shot. Plus, this gives teams behind a bit more of a chance.


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(02-28-2018 01:11 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Bring back the 1 and 1, make them earn the 2nd shot. Plus, this gives teams behind a bit more of a chance.

Generally, I favor tradition - i could do without a 3-point shot entirely. But I've always liked getting rid of the 1 and 1. It shouldn't be easy for teams to foul their way back into a game.
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I don't like the quarter change tbh or any of it. but heck, it doesn't hurt to try it out and see if it works
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(02-28-2018 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  But I've always liked getting rid of the 1 and 1. It shouldn't be easy for teams to foul their way back into a game.

Yeah, it's much too easy for teams that are behind to drag out a game by fouling repeatedly. It makes the end of many games a lot less enjoyable. And that problem is much worse in college hoops than it is in the NBA, because the percentage of poor free throw shooters is much higher in college. (The NBA had teams that tried to "Hack-A-Shaq" because he was usually the only poor free throw shooter his team had on the floor, whereas some college teams have only one good free throw shooter that you have to avoid fouling when you foul intentionally at the end of the game.)
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I'm not sure I see why going from halves to quarters is a big deal. What practical difference will it make? Is it just to allow for more commercials?
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