(02-28-2018 04:36 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 04:19 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You'd be wrong. I'm from Alabama. I'm 'white'. 75% of white Alabamians are Trumpers. I think I understand the dynamic more than you think.

And yet, at least on this board, you work as hard as you can to belittle Trump supporters as little more than illiterate bumpkins. You make no attempt to understand our voting rational, have no respect for our rights, our cultural mores, nor any of what we define as our priorities. We're just, wrong.

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The vulgarity of Trump plays a part in our opposition to him, but its basically a revulsion at his policies too.

We've learned our vulgarity from the liberal culture we all live in. Besides, you’ll form a better picture of President Trump if you focus on what he does, as opposed to what people like you say about him. Trump isn’t crazy, but he sure drives you crazy and you must get beyond that......

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, the Trumpers have spend 2 years now ignoring empirical science on the big stage (since Trump announced). It should surprise no one that educated Americans largely reject a movement that rejects them.

Here's some science: illegal immigration is down, the economy is growing and the tax breaks are working.

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, percentage of voters with a college degree is starting to become a very important predictor of Democratic voting likelihood.

Run with that like it's Hilary 2016.

LOL. If your values are to discriminate against everyone who isn't a white, male, cis, Christian from a supremacist perspective (which is basically Trumpism)...then we're not going to have much respect for your values. Vote however you want. We will never respect Cernovichian values or racist/homophobic/transphobic/misogynistic values.

The problem with many Trumpers is that they don't get it. They think that they own this country. Its for white cis straight Christian males to decide what is 'good enough' for everyone else. They should have 100 percent control over all decisions and its up to them to unilaterally decide whats 'good enough' for those who aren't. And you can overheat the economy as much as you want....you're going to continue to have serious problems connecting with minorities unless you change the supremacist dynamic in this country.

And if you'd like your movement to stop Trump supporters being characterized (successfully btw) as being comprised of a group of poorly educated white straight males who cannot or will not employ logic and reason to this Administration and the GOP's policies and statements, then yea, you're going to take a reputation hit for it.

Getting 43 percent on the national vote and then acting like you won 80 percent of the vote isn't working for you guys.

Great,
So if only I was gay, then I’d be smarter, enlightened, and gosh- just more better?

Aren’t you otherwise a white male?

Funny, I’ve known and been friends with numerous gay white males over many years.

Most of them are now dead by their own hands, or by their “partners” by now.

Inflated “education” value aside.

A bunch of progs are career students that get a next to useless PhD. So they can teach and indoctrinate the next generation.

Big deal. Most are already there at 18-20 YO’s old.

You’re a caricature.

(03-01-2018 07:02 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:42 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:36 PM)appst89 Wrote:  Because you dims are just so much smarter than everyone else, right?

Attitudes like yours are a large part of the reason Trump won. It's pretty obvious you still haven't recognized that, and I hope you never do.

Many liberals are arrogant and entitled and seriously believe they have the right, not to argue with us, but to drive us out of the public square and out of existence.

As you said, I hope they keep at it.

We've figured out a path forward that doesn't include the Cernovichian dynamic. Its impossible to reach people who just are going to discount any view that doesn't confirm their existing views. Science says X, Trumpers say Y. CNN is fake news, but Infowars and Gateway Pundit are to be believed. Either way, you got your 43 percent last time as a high water mark, and that isn't going to be enough even if demographics wasn't working against your side bigly.

BTW, it is absolutely true that higher educated districts (defined as percentage with college degrees) vote in greater percentages against Trumpists. Its not like Trumpers don't routinely dismiss science, medicine, fact based reporting, etc. anyway. Why be upset if people are buying what the Trumpers are selling (opposition to empirically derived science and academic research in policy). Of course, those with more training in academic matters are going to be more likely to scoff at the GOP's plan.

Also please note, Trump's bump from the tax bill appears to have stalled and started to reverse in every poll except Rasmussen. He got half of the people that voted for him in 2016 back that left him in 2017 as a result. He has added virtually no one to his support base. His electoral college victory was a 1 in a 100 shot that went in the bucket. But demographics, combined with Trump's offensive behavior as President has just moved that basket back another 50 feet or more for next time.

I heart your continued “predictions”.

You’ve gotten so many correct so far.

A State house seat in Connecticut... lol.

IF, and that’s a massive if, the dims retake the House (no shot at the Senate), I hope like hell FranSicko Nan and party leader Maxine launch impeachment proceedings.

That schitshow would have folks voting R for the next 20 yrs.

Too.... freaking.... funny

LOL. Impeachment proceedings will probably start in February of next year.

It will cover collusion with a foreign power, violations of emoluments clause, abuse of pardons, and obstruction of justice.

He might survive it (not politically though) as even if the Dems win slight control of the Senate, they'll need to get 16 Republican Senators to vote to convict, but they'll have to go on the record.

Even if the GOP gets absolutely shellacked in November, I have a hard time getting to 16 GOP Senators voting for impeachment. Possibles are: Collins, Toomey, Graham, Shelby (he's in his 80s), Murkowski, McCain, Sasse (he loathes Trump), Portman, Gardner (he's up in 2020 in a Dem leaning state), Rubio (doubtful - but he'd probably love to get back at Trump), Roberts (he's in his 80s). Beyond that, its going to be hard to get the 5 or 7 additional votes needed.


Beyond that, the following people are probably going to be indicted for serious crimes....Hope Hicks, Roger Stone, Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner, etc. Trump pardons them.....and then several things are going to happen. First, they'll be hauled up before Congress to testify under oath (and since pardoned, they cannot take the 5th, as they have no threat of self incrimination) and can be prosecuted if they lie about it. Also, Mueller is probably going to not indict on certain charges that can be filed by state Attorney Generals.

And that's not including all the Congressional investigations of all of the funny business going on with Trump's collection of ethically challenged low performers in his Administration.

(03-01-2018 09:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:02 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:42 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:36 PM)appst89 Wrote:  Because you dims are just so much smarter than everyone else, right?

Attitudes like yours are a large part of the reason Trump won. It's pretty obvious you still haven't recognized that, and I hope you never do.

Many liberals are arrogant and entitled and seriously believe they have the right, not to argue with us, but to drive us out of the public square and out of existence.

As you said, I hope they keep at it.

We've figured out a path forward that doesn't include the Cernovichian dynamic. Its impossible to reach people who just are going to discount any view that doesn't confirm their existing views. Science says X, Trumpers say Y. CNN is fake news, but Infowars and Gateway Pundit are to be believed. Either way, you got your 43 percent last time as a high water mark, and that isn't going to be enough even if demographics wasn't working against your side bigly.

BTW, it is absolutely true that higher educated districts (defined as percentage with college degrees) vote in greater percentages against Trumpists. Its not like Trumpers don't routinely dismiss science, medicine, fact based reporting, etc. anyway. Why be upset if people are buying what the Trumpers are selling (opposition to empirically derived science and academic research in policy). Of course, those with more training in academic matters are going to be more likely to scoff at the GOP's plan.

Also please note, Trump's bump from the tax bill appears to have stalled and started to reverse in every poll except Rasmussen. He got half of the people that voted for him in 2016 back that left him in 2017 as a result. He has added virtually no one to his support base. His electoral college victory was a 1 in a 100 shot that went in the bucket. But demographics, combined with Trump's offensive behavior as President has just moved that basket back another 50 feet or more for next time.

I heart your continued “predictions”.

You’ve gotten so many correct so far.

A State house seat in Connecticut... lol.

IF, and that’s a massive if, the dims retake the House (no shot at the Senate), I hope like hell FranSicko Nan and party leader Maxine launch impeachment proceedings.

That schitshow would have folks voting R for the next 20 yrs.

Too.... freaking.... funny

LOL. Impeachment proceedings will probably start in February of next year.

It will cover collusion with a foreign power, violations of emoluments clause, abuse of pardons, and obstruction of justice.

He might survive it (not politically though) as even if the Dems win slight control of the Senate, they'll need to get 16 Republican Senators to vote to convict, but they'll have to go on the record.

Even if the GOP gets absolutely shellacked in November, I have a hard time getting to 16 GOP Senators voting for impeachment. Possibles are: Collins, Toomey, Graham, Shelby (he's in his 80s), Murkowski, McCain, Sasse (he loathes Trump), Portman, Gardner (he's up in 2020 in a Dem leaning state), Rubio (doubtful - but he'd probably love to get back at Trump), Roberts (he's in his 80s). Beyond that, its going to be hard to get the 5 or 7 additional votes needed.


Beyond that, the following people are probably going to be indicted for serious crimes....Hope Hicks, Roger Stone, Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner, etc. Trump pardons them.....and then several things are going to happen. First, they'll be hauled up before Congress to testify under oath (and since pardoned, they cannot take the 5th, as they have no threat of self incrimination) and can be prosecuted if they lie about it. Also, Mueller is probably going to not indict on certain charges that can be filed by state Attorney Generals.

And that's not including all the Congressional investigations of all of the funny business going on with Trump's collection of ethically challenged low performers in his Administration.

What color is the sky in your world?

(03-01-2018 09:30 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 07:02 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 01:42 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Many liberals are arrogant and entitled and seriously believe they have the right, not to argue with us, but to drive us out of the public square and out of existence.

As you said, I hope they keep at it.

We've figured out a path forward that doesn't include the Cernovichian dynamic. Its impossible to reach people who just are going to discount any view that doesn't confirm their existing views. Science says X, Trumpers say Y. CNN is fake news, but Infowars and Gateway Pundit are to be believed. Either way, you got your 43 percent last time as a high water mark, and that isn't going to be enough even if demographics wasn't working against your side bigly.

BTW, it is absolutely true that higher educated districts (defined as percentage with college degrees) vote in greater percentages against Trumpists. Its not like Trumpers don't routinely dismiss science, medicine, fact based reporting, etc. anyway. Why be upset if people are buying what the Trumpers are selling (opposition to empirically derived science and academic research in policy). Of course, those with more training in academic matters are going to be more likely to scoff at the GOP's plan.

Also please note, Trump's bump from the tax bill appears to have stalled and started to reverse in every poll except Rasmussen. He got half of the people that voted for him in 2016 back that left him in 2017 as a result. He has added virtually no one to his support base. His electoral college victory was a 1 in a 100 shot that went in the bucket. But demographics, combined with Trump's offensive behavior as President has just moved that basket back another 50 feet or more for next time.

I heart your continued “predictions”.

You’ve gotten so many correct so far.

A State house seat in Connecticut... lol.

IF, and that’s a massive if, the dims retake the House (no shot at the Senate), I hope like hell FranSicko Nan and party leader Maxine launch impeachment proceedings.

That schitshow would have folks voting R for the next 20 yrs.

Too.... freaking.... funny

LOL. Impeachment proceedings will probably start in February of next year.

It will cover collusion with a foreign power, violations of emoluments clause, abuse of pardons, and obstruction of justice.

He might survive it (not politically though) as even if the Dems win slight control of the Senate, they'll need to get 16 Republican Senators to vote to convict, but they'll have to go on the record.

Even if the GOP gets absolutely shellacked in November, I have a hard time getting to 16 GOP Senators voting for impeachment. Possibles are: Collins, Toomey, Graham, Shelby (he's in his 80s), Murkowski, McCain, Sasse (he loathes Trump), Portman, Gardner (he's up in 2020 in a Dem leaning state), Rubio (doubtful - but he'd probably love to get back at Trump), Roberts (he's in his 80s). Beyond that, its going to be hard to get the 5 or 7 additional votes needed.


Beyond that, the following people are probably going to be indicted for serious crimes....Hope Hicks, Roger Stone, Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner, etc. Trump pardons them.....and then several things are going to happen. First, they'll be hauled up before Congress to testify under oath (and since pardoned, they cannot take the 5th, as they have no threat of self incrimination) and can be prosecuted if they lie about it. Also, Mueller is probably going to not indict on certain charges that can be filed by state Attorney Generals.

And that's not including all the Congressional investigations of all of the funny business going on with Trump's collection of ethically challenged low performers in his Administration.

What color is the sky in your world?

LOL, Blue.