https://morningconsult.com/2018/02/28/fi...-with-nra/

Quote:After the Parkland, Fla., high school shooting, several prominent companies ended their businesses relationships with the National Rifle Association — and some are facing backlash in public opinion, according to a new poll.

A Morning Consult survey of 2,201 U.S. adults conducted Feb. 23-25 found increases in negative views of businesses that severed ties with the NRA after consumers learned of them. The poll’s margin of error is plus or minus 2 percentage points.

Quote:Unfavorability ratings for the three major rental car brands associated with Enterprise Holdings Inc. — Enterprise Rent-A-Car, Alamo and National Car Rental — all more than doubled among surveyed adults after they learned about the companies ending discounts for NRA members.

Enterprise Rent-A-Car’s favorability rating slid from 61 percent to 50 percent, while its unfavorability rating jumped from 12 percent to 25 percent. For Alamo and National Car Rental, favorability was little changed, whereas unfavorability ratings increased from 10 percent to 24 percent and 11 percent to 25 percent, respectively.

Representatives for Enterprise Holdings did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

What a shame.

Rental car companies will probably be fine. Most corporations are going to go with whichever rental car company gives them a kickback.

Well of course they're seeing negative responses. MOST people realize that the NRA is not the problem. MOST people realize that these mass shooters have had nothing to do with the NRA. In fact, the last time an NRA member was involved in a mass shooting, it was the HERO who stopped the church shooter from killing more people.

I've never been an NRA member. I'm definitely a supporter of the 2A, and I have owned guns since I was 9.

Today, thanks to libs and all their inaccurate blaming of the NRA over the last couple weeks, and companies attacking innocent law-abiding Americans... I joined the NRA.

I'm now a proud NRA member.

(03-01-2018 05:27 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I've never been an NRA member. I'm definitely a supporter of the 2A, and I have owned guns since I was 9.

Today, thanks to libs and all their inaccurate blaming of the NRA over the last couple weeks, and companies attacking innocent law-abiding Americans... I joined the NRA.

I'm now a proud NRA member.

NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style. This was back in the 1920s. The NRA changed like back in the 1970s to be a far right nutjobs that cares about giving the 2nd Amendment Rights to ISIS and others who will do harm to others. They are the ones that bought and paid the Republicans to not pass any gun laws.

1.NRA are against raising the age of limit for someone to buy those types of guns. It would have kept the kid in Florida from buying the gun and killing the kids in the school. Since the age of buying booze and cigarettes are 21. Why not do the same for the guns for gun safety?
2nd.They are against background checks which includes stopping mentally disturbed people and terrorists of both domestic and foreign from getting the guns.
3.They want to armed every teachers and school employees to stop those nutjobs. The bad part is that these mentally disturbed will still go to the school and shoot people big time. The other part in the crossfire, teachers and employees could shoot and kill other students and employees instead of the active shooter. Another part is that when police gets there, they would shoot and kill the teachers and employees with the guns thinking they are the active shooter. In Georgia, a teacher who is license to conceal and carry starting firing on people. Luckily, he hit nobody. Arming teachers is a bad thing as well. I know some teachers are depressed or on medication for some other type of illness.

Another issue is that the ACLU came in and took the rights away from family members to forcibly sending their loved ones into a mental hospital because they could hurt themselves. The ACLU said that it was against the rights of the mentally ill people being forced into a mental hospital. We needed a federal law that would allow loved ones have the right to forced them to get the help that they need. It ties up the system not just for the parents, but the schools and the police to handle.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style. This was back in the 1920s.

Citation?

The AR-15 was to the best of my knowledge never a sub-machine gun. When did the NRA favor a ban on semi automatic rifles?

Also I was under the impression the NRA has not pushed to make machine guns (sub or otherwise) any more legally available than they already are.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 05:27 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I've never been an NRA member. I'm definitely a supporter of the 2A, and I have owned guns since I was 9.

Today, thanks to libs and all their inaccurate blaming of the NRA over the last couple weeks, and companies attacking innocent law-abiding Americans... I joined the NRA.

I'm now a proud NRA member.

NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style. This was back in the 1920s. The NRA changed like back in the 1970s to be a far right nutjobs that cares about giving the 2nd Amendment Rights to ISIS and others who will do harm to others. They are the ones that bought and paid the Republicans to not pass any gun laws.

1.NRA are against raising the age of limit for someone to buy those types of guns. It would have kept the kid in Florida from buying the gun and killing the kids in the school. Since the age of buying booze and cigarettes are 21. Why not do the same for the guns for gun safety?
2nd.They are against background checks which includes stopping mentally disturbed people and terrorists of both domestic and foreign from getting the guns.
3.They want to armed every teachers and school employees to stop those nutjobs. The bad part is that these mentally disturbed will still go to the school and shoot people big time. The other part in the crossfire, teachers and employees could shoot and kill other students and employees instead of the active shooter. Another part is that when police gets there, they would shoot and kill the teachers and employees with the guns thinking they are the active shooter. In Georgia, a teacher who is license to conceal and carry starting firing on people. Luckily, he hit nobody. Arming teachers is a bad thing as well. I know some teachers are depressed or on medication for some other type of illness.

Another issue is that the ACLU came in and took the rights away from family members to forcibly sending their loved ones into a mental hospital because they could hurt themselves. The ACLU said that it was against the rights of the mentally ill people being forced into a mental hospital. We needed a federal law that would allow loved ones have the right to forced them to get the help that they need. It ties up the system not just for the parents, but the schools and the police to handle.

A lot of bull**** in that post.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style.

The 1934 Act didn't ban any type of weapon, even a submachine gun. It did impose a tax on their transfer. The AR-15 didn't exist in 1934 and of course was not included in any fictional account of what you think the 1934 National Firearms Act did or didn't do or ban.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The NRA changed like back in the 1970s to be a far right nutjobs that cares about giving the 2nd Amendment Rights to ISIS and others who will do harm to others. They are the ones that bought and paid the Republicans to not pass any gun laws.

Pure bull****. THe NRA created their 'Legislative Affairs Division' to work on 2nd Amendment protection in 1934. In 1968 the NRA supported major parts of the gun Control Act of 1968 that would prevent convicted criminals and the mentally ill from purchasing firearms.

Current members of Congress have received a grand total of $4.1mm from the NRA. OH THE HORROR!!!! Politicians in 3rd world countries don't come that cheap.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  1.NRA are against raising the age of limit for someone to buy those types of guns. It would have kept the kid in Florida from buying the gun and killing the kids in the school. Since the age of buying booze and cigarettes are 21. Why not do the same for the guns for gun safety?

In this country you are an adult at 18. Buying a firearms is a constitutional right. Of course the NRA is against raising the age, as everybody should be.

It's pure speculation that raising the age would have prevented him from carrying out his attack on the school. At best it would have changed the way he obtained the weapon.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  2nd.They are against background checks which includes stopping mentally disturbed people and terrorists of both domestic and foreign from getting the guns.

Source?

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  3.They want to armed every teachers and school employees to stop those nutjobs. The bad part is that these mentally disturbed will still go to the school and shoot people big time. The other part in the crossfire, teachers and employees could shoot and kill other students and employees instead of the active shooter. Another part is that when police gets there, they would shoot and kill the teachers and employees with the guns thinking they are the active shooter. In Georgia, a teacher who is license to conceal and carry starting firing on people. Luckily, he hit nobody. Arming teachers is a bad thing as well. I know some teachers are depressed or on medication for some other type of illness.

Yeah the NRA supports arming teachers, as do a large number of people. HEre's the NRA's recommendation following Sandy Hook.
"“Teachers should teach, but if there is personnel that has interest and is willing to go through 40 to 60 hours of [firearms] training, then schools should be willing to [arm them],” Hutchinson said. He added that the report found that “local school authorities are in the best position” to determine their own school security measures, “specifically whether an armed security guard is necessary and supported by the education and citizen community.”

The task force recommended that schools designate willing staff to be armed and trained, and it proposed a model training program, 40-60 hours per person, at what Hutchinson said would be a cost of about $800 to $1,000 per trained employee. Armed school personnel, called school resource officers, would also be required to undergo a “background investigation, testing, and [have] relevant experience.”


sources: National Archive, NRA website, google, huffpo, etc.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 05:27 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I've never been an NRA member. I'm definitely a supporter of the 2A, and I have owned guns since I was 9.

Today, thanks to libs and all their inaccurate blaming of the NRA over the last couple weeks, and companies attacking innocent law-abiding Americans... I joined the NRA.

I'm now a proud NRA member.

NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style. This was back in the 1920s. The NRA changed like back in the 1970s to be a far right nutjobs that cares about giving the 2nd Amendment Rights to ISIS and others who will do harm to others. They are the ones that bought and paid the Republicans to not pass any gun laws.

1.NRA are against raising the age of limit for someone to buy those types of guns. It would have kept the kid in Florida from buying the gun and killing the kids in the school. Since the age of buying booze and cigarettes are 21. Why not do the same for the guns for gun safety?
2nd.They are against background checks which includes stopping mentally disturbed people and terrorists of both domestic and foreign from getting the guns.
3.They want to armed every teachers and school employees to stop those nutjobs. The bad part is that these mentally disturbed will still go to the school and shoot people big time. The other part in the crossfire, teachers and employees could shoot and kill other students and employees instead of the active shooter. Another part is that when police gets there, they would shoot and kill the teachers and employees with the guns thinking they are the active shooter. In Georgia, a teacher who is license to conceal and carry starting firing on people. Luckily, he hit nobody. Arming teachers is a bad thing as well. I know some teachers are depressed or on medication for some other type of illness.

Another issue is that the ACLU came in and took the rights away from family members to forcibly sending their loved ones into a mental hospital because they could hurt themselves. The ACLU said that it was against the rights of the mentally ill people being forced into a mental hospital. We needed a federal law that would allow loved ones have the right to forced them to get the help that they need. It ties up the system not just for the parents, but the schools and the police to handle.

1. The legal age to purchase a firearm should not be raised. If you trust an 18 year old enough to put a more powerful and actual assault rifle in their hands in order to fight a war, then they should be okay to have the civilian version. Every year, millions of 18-21 year olds possess and use guns responsibly. Why would we blame them for the actions of one person?

2. You really need to revisit history. The NRA came up with the NICS background check system. It is only as good as the info that states are willing to put into it. And no, the NRA does not support mental disturbed people or terrorists getting guns. However, if law enforcement believes someone is either mentally disturbed or a terrorist, they should BRING CHARGES. You should not lose a Constitutional right because some beaurocrat puts you on a secret list.

3. That is a mischaracterization. The NRA supports programs which allow teachers to volunteer to get a concealed carry license and also go through training in order to carry in a school. They would be vetted and go through background checks and would need to pass proficiency tests. Police are trained not to just shoot and kill people. Like always, they will assess the situation. Also, there would need to be training on both sides so that teachers are equipped with how to respond once the police arrive and police are reminded of their training of identifying threats before shooting. If you truly believe police officers are all Barney Fife, maybe you don't think they should have guns.

4. We have this already. In fact, Florida has this. You just have to go to court. We have something in this country called due process. We do not simply remove someone's rights and liberty based just the words of others. It must be adjudicated in a Court.

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style. This was back in the 1920s.

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David, this is pure unadulterated bullsh!t. You are either making it up as you go or are are taking the bait from someone who is playing a mean trick on you.

The AR platform wasn’t even dreamed up until Eugene Stoner of Armalite Corp, a Division of Fairchild Engine and Aircraft came up with the idea in the early 1950’s. It was originally created for the commercial civilian market in compliance with the 1930’s legislation against automatic weapons.

I’m so sick and tired of people who either don’t have the sense God gave them to know they don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to this topic or who simply rely on lies or bullah!t and propaganda spewed from faulty sources.

You state bull**** the rest of your takes get thrown in the dustbin.

(03-01-2018 09:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  NRA used to favored banning certain guns like the submachine guns, the AR-15 and other guns that are military style. This was back in the 1920s.

David, this is pure unadulterated bullsh!t. You are either making it up as you go or are are taking the bait from someone who is playing a mean trick on you.

The AR platform wasn’t even dreamed up until Eugene Stoner of Armalite Corp, a Division of Fairchild Engine and Aircraft came up with the idea in the early 1950’s. It was originally created for the commercial civilian market in compliance with the 1930’s legislation against automatic weapons.

I’m so sick and tired of people who either don’t have the sense God gave them to know they don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to this topic or who simply rely on lies or bullah!t and propaganda spewed from faulty sources.

You state bull**** the rest of your takes get thrown in the dustbin.

That's what happens when all you have are talking points. There is nothing "military" about an AR-15. I couldn't imagine the DoD asking congress for money to buy AR-15s to go fight in wars.

I am beginning to believe the problem with the gun argument is that one side just wants to ban all guns and is ignorant of all things gun.

It’s all talking points they are spoon fed from partisan sources upriver and stating what they wish was fact instead of what is fact.

They don’t have the balls to just admit they want guns gone so they make ah!t up. They know if they come out and honestly say what they really want rather than crafting new terms and emotional pleas the gig is up.

I’m buying a Grendel this weekend just to flip the bird to their collective of lying, full of **** dunces.

I still have to fly Delta and rent from National for corporate travel reasons, and too be honest I am not a real firm believer in boycotts. I have to think of myself first, and then how boycotting something will impact me and my family before I go all fire and brimstone on some business.

So I'll have to continue with Delta and National, and that's fine. The real battle is in the courts and vs the government.

(03-01-2018 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I still have to fly Delta and rent from National for corporate travel reasons, and too be honest I am not a real firm believer in boycotts. I have to think of myself first, and then how boycotting something will impact me and my family before I go all fire and brimstone on some business.

So I'll have to continue with Delta and National, and that's fine. The real battle is in the courts and vs the government.

I would at least send them an email discussing your dissatisfaction with the decision. It is important that these businesses hear from actual customers regarding these types of decisions. People on the right side of things never rock the boat and never are the squeaky wheel. However, given how companies react, we need to be both squeaky and shake the boat a little.

(03-01-2018 10:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I still have to fly Delta and rent from National for corporate travel reasons, and too be honest I am not a real firm believer in boycotts. I have to think of myself first, and then how boycotting something will impact me and my family before I go all fire and brimstone on some business.

So I'll have to continue with Delta and National, and that's fine. The real battle is in the courts and vs the government.

I think the bigger issue is this:

Very few people are going to switch *TO* your business because you decide to kick the NRA... A larger number of people will switch *FROM* your business.

Capitalism at its finest. Every decision has consequences good and bad. They’ll decide whether they are benefited more by association with the NRA or distancing themselves.