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(03-01-2018 08:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Why would anyone in the AAC want any part of any of that garbage.

^ This. The AAC has little reason to break up unprompted and associate with lesser schools simply for geographic convenience. A CUSA/SBC reorg is more plausible (albeit not super plausible) because they're on almost the same level and cover nearly the same geographic area.
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(02-28-2018 02:41 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 02:40 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Not to entertain a troll thread, but since when is North Carolina close to Florida?

Really?

Yes really. Florida and North Carolina are not remotely close to one another. ECU is much closer to DC/Philly/Baltimore/NYC.

Greenville, NC --> Washington, DC 228 miles
Greenville, NC --> Philadelphia, PA 318 miles
Greenville, NC ---> NYC 383 miles

Greenville, NC ---> Orlando, FL 553 miles
Greenville, NC ---> Boca Raton, FL 683 miles
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(03-01-2018 09:12 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 08:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Why would anyone in the AAC want any part of any of that garbage.

^ This. The AAC has little reason to break up unprompted and associate with lesser schools simply for geographic convenience. A CUSA/SBC reorg is more plausible (albeit not super plausible) because they're on almost the same level and cover nearly the same geographic area.

Won't unless the TV package ends up sucking and while I'm not as optimistic about AAC's upside on a new deal, I'd be really surprised to see AAC lose much if any ground.
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(03-01-2018 09:12 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 08:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Why would anyone in the AAC want any part of any of that garbage.

^ This. The AAC has little reason to break up unprompted and associate with lesser schools simply for geographic convenience. A CUSA/SBC reorg is more plausible (albeit not super plausible) because they're on almost the same level and cover nearly the same geographic area.

I'll give you one good reason - a lousy TV contract. If the AAC cannot at least double up their TV deal when it is time - they would save the difference on travel expenses alone with a better regional structure. UConn - for example is taking a HUGE hit once its NCAA Tourney points income expired from the BE. A crappy $2.5M per school TV deal will hurt - A LOT.
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(03-01-2018 12:40 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:12 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 08:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Why would anyone in the AAC want any part of any of that garbage.

^ This. The AAC has little reason to break up unprompted and associate with lesser schools simply for geographic convenience. A CUSA/SBC reorg is more plausible (albeit not super plausible) because they're on almost the same level and cover nearly the same geographic area.

I'll give you one good reason - a lousy TV contract. If the AAC cannot at least double up their TV deal when it is time - they would save the difference on travel expenses alone with a better regional structure. UConn - for example is taking a HUGE hit once its NCAA Tourney points income expired from the BE. A crappy $2.5M per school TV deal will hurt - A LOT.

The thing is--the AAC travel isnt much different than CUSA travel costs. CUSA teams were just fine with thier travel costs and thier choice of conference mates until their TV deal was slashed from 1.3 million a team to $200K a team. At 2.5 million a team, there wouldnt seem to be much point in breaking up the AAC's successful football and basketball leagues. UConn would be the only team with any option that might pay better---but it would only pay marginally better when you factor in the CFP payout (not to mention it would require throwing their football program under the bus).

I think the AAC next TV deal has a floor of about 4 million a team and could be as high as 6-8 million per team--but I think it basically only has to remain in the 2-3 million area for the conference to continue on their current path. As for UConn, they are currently receiving about a $10 million payout from the AAC (plus the conference recently returned their 3rd tier rights--so UConn is getting thier money for womens basketball contracts). The Big East isnt going to approach 10 million + 3rd tier. I supect the AAC (even with a new TV deal) wont approach that number either. UConn will almost certainly need to cut their budget or increase institutional support (or do a little of both) regardless of where their future conference home lies.
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(03-01-2018 11:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:12 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 08:35 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Why would anyone in the AAC want any part of any of that garbage.

^ This. The AAC has little reason to break up unprompted and associate with lesser schools simply for geographic convenience. A CUSA/SBC reorg is more plausible (albeit not super plausible) because they're on almost the same level and cover nearly the same geographic area.

Won't unless the TV package ends up sucking and while I'm not as optimistic about AAC's upside on a new deal, I'd be really surprised to see AAC lose much if any ground.

It would be more likely I would think to see the MWC take a paycut or more of a MAC type midweek deal to stay in the game. They seem pretty desperate to expand for the sake of drumming up some interest.
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(03-01-2018 09:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Yes really. Florida and North Carolina are not remotely close to one another. ECU is much closer to DC/Philly/Baltimore/NYC.

Greenville, NC --> Washington, DC 228 miles
Greenville, NC --> Philadelphia, PA 318 miles
Greenville, NC ---> NYC 383 miles
That's a 155 mile difference between Washington, DC and NYC, which is too low. Maybe the straight line distance from Greenville to Washington, DC compared to Greenville to NYC would have a 155 mile difference, but the distance along I-95 from Washington, DC to NYC is more. Picking a school in each city, Google Maps says it's 240 miles from George Washington to Columbia.
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1. A guy who's a fan of an east coast school playing in a midwest conference thinks other schools need to realign geographically?

2. When will you realignment idiots finally buy a friggin map and figure out where Buffalo is? Buffalo is closer to Detroit than it is to New York City. Buffalo is not leaving the MAC to play in a conference full of east coast FCS schools.
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(03-02-2018 11:20 AM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:26 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Yes really. Florida and North Carolina are not remotely close to one another. ECU is much closer to DC/Philly/Baltimore/NYC.

Greenville, NC --> Washington, DC 228 miles
Greenville, NC --> Philadelphia, PA 318 miles
Greenville, NC ---> NYC 383 miles
That's a 155 mile difference between Washington, DC and NYC, which is too low. Maybe the straight line distance from Greenville to Washington, DC compared to Greenville to NYC would have a 155 mile difference, but the distance along I-95 from Washington, DC to NYC is more. Picking a school in each city, Google Maps says it's 240 miles from George Washington to Columbia.

Considering we don't bus to games mostly, the straight line distance is correct.
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(03-02-2018 12:14 PM)zibby Wrote:  1. A guy who's a fan of an east coast school playing in a midwest conference thinks other schools need to realign geographically?

2. When will you realignment idiots finally buy a friggin map and figure out where Buffalo is? Buffalo is closer to Detroit than it is to New York City. Buffalo is not leaving the MAC to play in a conference full of east coast FCS schools.

Agreed. The western 1/3 of NY state (where I was born) is decidedly Midwestern in culture, history, weather, voting patterns, economy, everything.

Bus times:

Buffalo - NYC: 6 hours 19 min
Buffalo - Stoors, CT: 6 hrs 22 min
Buffalo - University of Maine: 10 hrs 19 min
Buffalo - Norfolk, VA: 9 hrs 33 min

Buffalo - Cleveland: 3 hours, 1 minute
Buffalo - Detroit: 4 hrs 17 min
Buffalo - Cincinnati: 6 hrs 32 min
Buffalo - Chicago: 8 hrs 14 min
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The MAC is the most stable of the G5 conferences. Buffalo leaving would not be good.
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(03-03-2018 09:05 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  The MAC is the most stable of the G5 conferences. Buffalo leaving would not be good.

If they ever were to leave I think there are plenty of solid FCS options out there to replace them. The loss of Buffalo would not be a killer. I don't see Buffalo going anywhere though. The MAC is a good home for them. I suppose if they made a huge investment in sports they could try to jockey for an American invite but it's a long shot.
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(03-03-2018 10:10 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 09:05 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  The MAC is the most stable of the G5 conferences. Buffalo leaving would not be good.

If they ever were to leave I think there are plenty of solid FCS options out there to replace them. The loss of Buffalo would not be a killer. I don't see Buffalo going anywhere though. The MAC is a good home for them. I suppose if they made a huge investment in sports they could try to jockey for an American invite but it's a long shot.

YSU would be the obvious replacement, if Akron and Kent would suck it up.
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(03-03-2018 11:01 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 10:10 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 09:05 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  The MAC is the most stable of the G5 conferences. Buffalo leaving would not be good.

If they ever were to leave I think there are plenty of solid FCS options out there to replace them. The loss of Buffalo would not be a killer. I don't see Buffalo going anywhere though. The MAC is a good home for them. I suppose if they made a huge investment in sports they could try to jockey for an American invite but it's a long shot.

YSU would be the obvious replacement, if Akron and Kent would suck it up.

WTF?

I mean WTF?
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(02-28-2018 04:53 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 04:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Why does everyone always forget the 2 non-football playing full members of the SunBelt.

Because it's not pertinent to a discussion on realignment based on football

It is, because if they don't end up somewhere, they can raise holy hell about it. They may or may not win in court, but a reshuffle like this is a delicate balancing act with a lot of ways to fall apart. If you just take the position "Bleep UTA and UALR, no football nobody cares" then they'd be in the block of NO votes in the Sun Belt, which means it would take that many fewer votes to block this.
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Why don't we add Jacksonville St. to the AAC as the obvious move if Memphis and Tulane would suck it up.

That is what you are saying if you are advocating YSU to the MAC.

Akron was as low as what the MAC could go. It was decades before they could be accepted into the MAC. They moved up to FBS first on their own accord. As questionable as the MAC felt about Akron's profile they are 10 times the school of Youngstown State.

WKU was rejected from joining the MAC back in 2005 over academics when Temple was voted in. That is why the MAC accepted UMass FB as wayward as it was is just on the fact that it was a state flagship school. MAC was also looking at Stony Brook another AAC school.

That is why my double down IL expansion with SLU, Bradley, Loyola, IL-Chicago works...they have the academics to be let in.
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(03-03-2018 11:14 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Why don't we add Jacksonville St. to the AAC as the obvious move if Memphis and Tulane would suck it up.

That is what you are saying if you are advocating YSU to the MAC.

Akron was as low as what the MAC could go. It was decades before they could be accepted into the MAC. They moved up to FBS first on their own accord. As questionable as the MAC felt about Akron's profile they are 10 times the school of Youngstown State.

WKU was rejected from joining the MAC back in 2005 over academics when Temple was voted in. That is why the MAC accepted UMass FB as wayward as it was is just on the fact that it was a state flagship school. MAC was also looking at Stony Brook another AAC school.

That is why my double down IL expansion with SLU, Bradley, Loyola, IL-Chicago works...they have the academics to be let in.

Meh, I don't really care much one way or the other. YSU has good football, no? I seem to recall reading that they were considered for the MAC one point, and Akron and Kent objected to their addition due to proximity.
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(03-03-2018 11:20 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 11:14 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Why don't we add Jacksonville St. to the AAC as the obvious move if Memphis and Tulane would suck it up.

That is what you are saying if you are advocating YSU to the MAC.

Akron was as low as what the MAC could go. It was decades before they could be accepted into the MAC. They moved up to FBS first on their own accord. As questionable as the MAC felt about Akron's profile they are 10 times the school of Youngstown State.

WKU was rejected from joining the MAC back in 2005 over academics when Temple was voted in. That is why the MAC accepted UMass FB as wayward as it was is just on the fact that it was a state flagship school. MAC was also looking at Stony Brook another AAC school.

That is why my double down IL expansion with SLU, Bradley, Loyola, IL-Chicago works...they have the academics to be let in.

Meh, I don't really care much one way or the other. YSU has good football, no? I seem to recall reading that they were considered for the MAC one point, and Akron and Kent objected to their addition due to proximity.

They were considered in the mid 90's when Marshall was added (a school of YSU caliber) to take things to 14 and ensure the MAC could meet its attendance requirements (YSU drew in the high teens butts in seats).

The rejection had to do with academics much more than proximity.

They will never, ever be considered again. The last 4 schools up for vote were UCF (added), WKU (rejected), Temple (added), UMass (added). MAC was discussing adding a couple of Virginia schools at one point but nixed the idea at one point because of travel.

Its not the close proximity its the academics that bothers the MAC. Illinois State is about as low as the MAC would go at this point.
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(03-03-2018 11:12 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 04:53 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 04:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Why does everyone always forget the 2 non-football playing full members of the SunBelt.

Because it's not pertinent to a discussion on realignment based on football

It is, because if they don't end up somewhere, they can raise holy hell about it. They may or may not win in court, but a reshuffle like this is a delicate balancing act with a lot of ways to fall apart. If you just take the position "Bleep UTA and UALR, no football nobody cares" then they'd be in the block of NO votes in the Sun Belt, which means it would take that many fewer votes to block this.

I meant they could theoretically end up anywhere they wanted to go because they don’t have football. It’s easier to stick them in a regional conference because they’re essentially just an extra two schools for the Olympic sports. Realignment discussions, at least in this sense, are all about football attendance, CFP payouts, conference structure, etc. the reason 10-12 football schools per conference at the G5 level makes sense is because you maximize the amount of money each school gets while minimizing the number of teams you need for a conference championship game. UTA and UALR aren’t factored into that because they don’t have football. They would most likely just go into whichever Texas-based conference pops up.
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