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(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.
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(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.



The left's insane obsession with the NRA is utterly embarrassing and really shows how irrational they are capable of being.

They have the emotional maturity of a 15-year-old girl.
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Congress isn't owned by the NRA. Congressmen who believe in the 2nd Admendment are elected by Americans who want those guys in office.
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RE: Astroturfing
(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.

Strange, since the NRA only donated $1.1 million total towards federal election campaigns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/us/po...orida.html

Quote:The organization’s calculation is that its money is better spent on maintaining a motivated base of gun rights supporters than on bankrolling candidates directly.

“Everyone wants a simplistic answer, which is they buy votes,” said Harry L. Wilson, a political scientist at Roanoke College and the author of “Guns, Gun Control, and Elections.” “But it is largely incorrect. The N.R.A.’s power is more complex than people think.”

Compared with the towering sums of money donated to House and Senate candidates in the last cycle — $1.7 billion — the N.R.A.’s direct contributions were almost a rounding error.

The N.R.A. directly donated a total of just $1.1 million to candidates for federal office in 2016, with 99 percent of that money going to Republicans, while giving a total of only $309,000 in direct contributions to state legislative candidates in 2016 and 2017, according to tallies by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks federal donations, and the National Institute on Money in State Politics, which tracks state-level donations.

This isn't the first time I have busted you for repeating a false talking point. Perhaps you would be better served to actually learn something about a subject before you try to make a definitive statement and make yourself look foolish.
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RE: Astroturfing
(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

a congress owned by the NRA

Well if the NRA "Owns" congress what the hell kind of deal does the Sierra club get?

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RE: Astroturfing
(03-04-2018 10:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.

Strange, since the NRA only donated $1.1 million total towards federal election campaigns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/us/po...orida.html

Quote:The organization’s calculation is that its money is better spent on maintaining a motivated base of gun rights supporters than on bankrolling candidates directly.

“Everyone wants a simplistic answer, which is they buy votes,” said Harry L. Wilson, a political scientist at Roanoke College and the author of “Guns, Gun Control, and Elections.” “But it is largely incorrect. The N.R.A.’s power is more complex than people think.”

Compared with the towering sums of money donated to House and Senate candidates in the last cycle — $1.7 billion — the N.R.A.’s direct contributions were almost a rounding error.

The N.R.A. directly donated a total of just $1.1 million to candidates for federal office in 2016, with 99 percent of that money going to Republicans, while giving a total of only $309,000 in direct contributions to state legislative candidates in 2016 and 2017, according to tallies by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks federal donations, and the National Institute on Money in State Politics, which tracks state-level donations.

This isn't the first time I have busted you for repeating a false talking point. Perhaps you would be better served to actually learn something about a subject before you try to make a definitive statement and make yourself look foolish.

Of course you leave out in direct money and money that goes to state law makers.
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RE: Astroturfing
(03-04-2018 11:25 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 10:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.

Strange, since the NRA only donated $1.1 million total towards federal election campaigns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/us/po...orida.html

Quote:The organization’s calculation is that its money is better spent on maintaining a motivated base of gun rights supporters than on bankrolling candidates directly.

“Everyone wants a simplistic answer, which is they buy votes,” said Harry L. Wilson, a political scientist at Roanoke College and the author of “Guns, Gun Control, and Elections.” “But it is largely incorrect. The N.R.A.’s power is more complex than people think.”

Compared with the towering sums of money donated to House and Senate candidates in the last cycle — $1.7 billion — the N.R.A.’s direct contributions were almost a rounding error.

The N.R.A. directly donated a total of just $1.1 million to candidates for federal office in 2016, with 99 percent of that money going to Republicans, while giving a total of only $309,000 in direct contributions to state legislative candidates in 2016 and 2017, according to tallies by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks federal donations, and the National Institute on Money in State Politics, which tracks state-level donations.

This isn't the first time I have busted you for repeating a false talking point. Perhaps you would be better served to actually learn something about a subject before you try to make a definitive statement and make yourself look foolish.

Of course you leave out in direct money and money that goes to state law makers.

If you would read (or maybe it's understand) the portion in bold I was responding to he directly stated that the NRA owns Congress. Last time I checked state lawmakers aren't in Congress.

As for indirect money..how exactly does that make the NRA "own" Congress?


If the NRA does indeed own Congress it's because they do a damn good job of letting their members know who is and isn't trying to restrict the rights granted to them by the Constitution, and it's why the silly little "boycott" you leftists are trying to drum up will fail just like your Chick-fil-a boycott. The NRA's power isn't in the money, it's in it's ability to mobilize it's membership.
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(03-04-2018 11:25 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  Of course you leave out in direct money and money that goes to state law makers.

FFS the NRA is outspent by government unions at every level and *YOU KNOW THIS*.

The reason the NRA has power is not because they buy people but because their membership is (1) massive, (2) loyal, and (3) politically active.

To top that off there are a lot of people like me who are not members but sympathetic with people who utilize their second amendment rights.
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RE: Astroturfing
(03-04-2018 11:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 11:25 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 10:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.

Strange, since the NRA only donated $1.1 million total towards federal election campaigns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/us/po...orida.html

Quote:The organization’s calculation is that its money is better spent on maintaining a motivated base of gun rights supporters than on bankrolling candidates directly.

“Everyone wants a simplistic answer, which is they buy votes,” said Harry L. Wilson, a political scientist at Roanoke College and the author of “Guns, Gun Control, and Elections.” “But it is largely incorrect. The N.R.A.’s power is more complex than people think.”

Compared with the towering sums of money donated to House and Senate candidates in the last cycle — $1.7 billion — the N.R.A.’s direct contributions were almost a rounding error.

The N.R.A. directly donated a total of just $1.1 million to candidates for federal office in 2016, with 99 percent of that money going to Republicans, while giving a total of only $309,000 in direct contributions to state legislative candidates in 2016 and 2017, according to tallies by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks federal donations, and the National Institute on Money in State Politics, which tracks state-level donations.

This isn't the first time I have busted you for repeating a false talking point. Perhaps you would be better served to actually learn something about a subject before you try to make a definitive statement and make yourself look foolish.

Of course you leave out in direct money and money that goes to state law makers.

If you would read (or maybe it's understand) the portion in bold I was responding to he directly stated that the NRA owns Congress. Last time I checked state lawmakers aren't in Congress.

As for indirect money..how exactly does that make the NRA "own" Congress?


If the NRA does indeed own Congress it's because they do a damn good job of letting their members know who is and isn't trying to restrict the rights granted to them by the Constitution, and it's why the silly little "boycott" you leftists are trying to drum up will fail just like your Chick-fil-a boycott. The NRA's power isn't in the money, it's in it's ability to mobilize it's membership.

Yep i will admit that the NRA is who wrote the book on astroturfing
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RE: Astroturfing
(03-05-2018 01:35 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 11:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 11:25 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 10:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.

Strange, since the NRA only donated $1.1 million total towards federal election campaigns.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/us/po...orida.html

Quote:The organization’s calculation is that its money is better spent on maintaining a motivated base of gun rights supporters than on bankrolling candidates directly.

“Everyone wants a simplistic answer, which is they buy votes,” said Harry L. Wilson, a political scientist at Roanoke College and the author of “Guns, Gun Control, and Elections.” “But it is largely incorrect. The N.R.A.’s power is more complex than people think.”

Compared with the towering sums of money donated to House and Senate candidates in the last cycle — $1.7 billion — the N.R.A.’s direct contributions were almost a rounding error.

The N.R.A. directly donated a total of just $1.1 million to candidates for federal office in 2016, with 99 percent of that money going to Republicans, while giving a total of only $309,000 in direct contributions to state legislative candidates in 2016 and 2017, according to tallies by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks federal donations, and the National Institute on Money in State Politics, which tracks state-level donations.

This isn't the first time I have busted you for repeating a false talking point. Perhaps you would be better served to actually learn something about a subject before you try to make a definitive statement and make yourself look foolish.

Of course you leave out in direct money and money that goes to state law makers.

If you would read (or maybe it's understand) the portion in bold I was responding to he directly stated that the NRA owns Congress. Last time I checked state lawmakers aren't in Congress.

As for indirect money..how exactly does that make the NRA "own" Congress?


If the NRA does indeed own Congress it's because they do a damn good job of letting their members know who is and isn't trying to restrict the rights granted to them by the Constitution, and it's why the silly little "boycott" you leftists are trying to drum up will fail just like your Chick-fil-a boycott. The NRA's power isn't in the money, it's in it's ability to mobilize it's membership.

Yep i will admit that the NRA is who wrote the book on astroturfing

Link?

You have some examples of the NRA astroturfing?
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(03-04-2018 08:53 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 07:09 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Youth=liberal, old=conservative. Always has been, probably always will be.

Except for the fact that today's youth have the ability to see the destructive nature of liberal policies in real time via the internet.

Please be real. All they see is chaos in D.C., a congress owned by the NRA and a corrupt republican administration.


What corruption, specifically? Links? Source?

And I can assure you that, yet again, not surprisingly you are dead wrong.

My older kid is in school about 20 miles from capital hill and likely going into that field in some capacity, and doesn’t “see” or believe any of those things.
Especially that NRA nonsense. Actually has spent the time, put in the effort, understands the Constitution...
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I’d LOVE to hear from one of you guys what, specifically you think would change if the boogie-man NRA suddenly vanished tomorrow.

Nikolas Cruz would have said, oh, wait I shouldn’t do this cause... The Pulse mad man would have gone to the local constable and surrendered his weapon?

You guys have built up the straw man, now give up the goods. What do you know that we bumpkin hayseeds are failing to grasp?

Thx.
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(03-05-2018 02:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I’d LOVE to hear from one of you guys what, specifically you think would change if the boogie-man NRA suddenly vanished tomorrow.

Nikolas Cruz would have said, oh, wait I shouldn’t do this cause... The Pulse mad man would have gone to the local constable and surrendered his weapon?

You guys have built up the straw man, now give up the goods. What do you know that we bumpkin hayseeds are failing to grasp?

Thx.

One thing I know would happen is they would suddenly find themselves facing organizations like GOA and NAGR who are far more militant in their protection of Constitutional rights than the NRA ever thought about being.
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(03-05-2018 02:57 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  You guys have built up the straw man, now give up the goods. What do you know that we bumpkin hayseeds are failing to grasp?

Nothing.
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Pretty much everyone except the nincompoops at Salon, Slate, and Huffpo knew these kids were getting help.
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Got my NRA confirmation and membership number today. Never even considered joining until now.
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(03-05-2018 05:25 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Got my NRA confirmation and membership number today. Never even considered joining until now.

I would have re-upped if I wasn;t already a lifetime member.

Instead I donated the $140 a five year membership would cost to the NRA-ILA to use in the fight against the socialists.
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