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Olympic Model Coming To College Sports?
For the first time I know of, it appears NCAA President Mark Emmert has left the door open to that possibility.

"I haven't heard any universities say that they want to change amateurism to move into a model where student athletes are paid by universities and universities are negotiating with agents for their relationships with a school," Emmert said. "I would be surprised if the commission came forward with that kind of recommendation."

Emmert said allowing athletes to earn money for things such as endorsements from outside sources is worthy of consideration.

"There's a lot of discussion about the Olympic model and think it's well deserving of serious consideration inside the context of college sports," he said.


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Interesting, but don't think it will gain traction. This could be the cause for a split of the NCAA with a semi-pro division and a student athlete division.
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Emmert is a piece of trash. Corrupt insider. He is the streaked TP. Protectionist POS. IMO

Part of the problem and should have NO say in part of the solution IMO.
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RE: Olympic Model Coming To College Sports?
Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.
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(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

It could lead to a lot of boosters giving endorsement deals to athletes.

I might be fine with it if football and men's basketball were excluded, limiting it to the non-rev. Although maybe that's discriminatory. You might have to exclude women's basketball as well.
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(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

The problem is its easy for this "endorsement/name and likeness" thing to essentially morph into buying players. Lets say, Phil Knight at Nike decides to give every Oregon player a nice $100K "endorsement" deal. Maybe a local car dealership in Alabama is suddenly struck by the belief that Crimson Tide players and recruits would help sell cars. Its not hard to see how this could escalate quickly. The landscape differs somewhat from olympic sports.
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RE: Olympic Model Coming To College Sports?
(03-03-2018 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

The problem is its easy for this "endorsement/name and likeness" thing to essentially morph into buying players. Lets say, Phil Knight at Nike decides to give every Oregon player a nice $100K "endorsement" deal. Maybe a local car dealership in Alabama is suddenly struck by the belief that Crimson Tide players and recruits would help sell cars. Its not hard to see how this could escalate quickly. The landscape differs somewhat from olympic sports.

Are they going to keep the negotiation power with the university to ensure these are individually placed endorsements and not just buying up all the athletes?

Let's say Alabama has a household name QB. He could be allowed to accept a corporate endorsement but they couldn't go in and give 100,000 to each offensive linemen protecting him.

There could be a limit set to in as a way to prevent such a thing. Maybe limit endorsements to players who've obtained conference and national awards.
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(03-03-2018 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

The problem is its easy for this "endorsement/name and likeness" thing to essentially morph into buying players. Lets say, Phil Knight at Nike decides to give every Oregon player a nice $100K "endorsement" deal. Maybe a local car dealership in Alabama is suddenly struck by the belief that Crimson Tide players and recruits would help sell cars. Its not hard to see how this could escalate quickly. The landscape differs somewhat from olympic sports.

Even more, it's hard to see how this would not escalate quickly. The so called "Olympic Model" works best for Olympic sports. But it isn't even used by the Olympics for team sports like basketball and hockey. There, the players are purely and thoroughly professional.
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RE: Olympic Model Coming To College Sports?
(03-03-2018 07:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

The problem is its easy for this "endorsement/name and likeness" thing to essentially morph into buying players. Lets say, Phil Knight at Nike decides to give every Oregon player a nice $100K "endorsement" deal. Maybe a local car dealership in Alabama is suddenly struck by the belief that Crimson Tide players and recruits would help sell cars. Its not hard to see how this could escalate quickly. The landscape differs somewhat from olympic sports.

Even more, it's hard to see how this would not escalate quickly. The so called "Olympic Model" works best for Olympic sports. But it isn't even used by the Olympics for team sports like basketball and hockey. There, the players are purely and thoroughly professional.

It would be a mess. Maybe a $5K per year cap? Maybe you allow 10% of the money over the cap can go the player to be received after graduation and the rest goes to a shared fund split between all players at the FBS level (merchandise revenue would be handled similarly since the left OG isnt goint to sell nearly as many cars or jerseys as the QB).

Its going to be a mess, and frankly, Im not even sure my "cap" idea along with the shared fund would be considered legal by the judicial system.
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Terrible idea. I'd rather see college sports go away completely than to see them further corrupted by the money train.
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There isn’t any significant legitimate market for endorsement money but for a limited set of stars. There are plenty of major sport pro athletes who make nothing or a nominal sum.
Now if we are talking about say EA Sports or someone offering a video game with real players and every player getting a payment, I’m fine with that.
But 4 Star being offered $100,000 from Bobs Used Carplex in Tuscaloosa after he signs with Bama? I ain’t buying that as a legitimate payment tied to the guy’s advertising value.
Right now if you play baseball, soccer, track, golf, tennis, or ski and you think you have endorsement value the answer is simple, go pro.
If you play basketball you can go pro overseas or play in a minor league.
Football is the only sport where the star 18 and 19 year old has no option.


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(03-04-2018 02:21 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  There isn’t any significant legitimate market for endorsement money but for a limited set of stars. There are plenty of major sport pro athletes who make nothing or a nominal sum.
Now if we are talking about say EA Sports or someone offering a video game with real players and every player getting a payment, I’m fine with that.
But 4 Star being offered $100,000 from Bobs Used Carplex in Tuscaloosa after he signs with Bama? I ain’t buying that as a legitimate payment tied to the guy’s advertising value.
Right now if you play baseball, soccer, track, golf, tennis, or ski and you think you have endorsement value the answer is simple, go pro.
If you play basketball you can go pro overseas or play in a minor league.
Football is the only sport where the star 18 and 19 year old has no option.

If a player is required to have first done something in the sport like win an all conference award before they were eligible for an award that would limit endorsements to those who've competed in their first full season.

Its like regulating the sale of marijuana...can it be done it such way that it ultimately takes the air out of the illicit market? I'm thinking its possible for endorsements.

This whole grant-in-aid slavery system benefits the a-hole administrations of schools at the top of the food chain who don't want a system where 5% of student athletes which carry those athletic teams earn endorsements while the others get stipends like a normal student. They much rather "buy" the 85th best player of a college football team with a scholarship valued at 150k over 4 years.

This is while the men's swim team gets 3 grant-in-aids they have to split over 10 players. You might have a guy is good enough on that swim team for a $250k endorsement from RedBull.
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(03-03-2018 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

The problem is its easy for this "endorsement/name and likeness" thing to essentially morph into buying players. Lets say, Phil Knight at Nike decides to give every Oregon player a nice $100K "endorsement" deal. Maybe a local car dealership in Alabama is suddenly struck by the belief that Crimson Tide players and recruits would help sell cars. Its not hard to see how this could escalate quickly. The landscape differs somewhat from olympic sports.

Yes to all of this. It would be tantamount to just outright paying of players.
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I don't know all the intricacies of a so-called Olympic model, but from what I've heard, I'd have no problem with is... the problem you get into when it comes to schools paying players, is you are going to severely underpay the games stars while paying thousands of athletes that don't really generate revenue $$ just in the name of 'fairness'. Letting agents and advertisers and other outsiders pay players is going to get the payments more in line with the values of the players.
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(03-03-2018 06:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-03-2018 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Endorsements fine. That would make things interesting in the non-revenue sports.

If the NCAA is going to go with the endorsement model it needs to the stop requiring grants in aid for the student athletes. Give them 10k graduate student stipends but let them earn their way through school like everyone else.

Could be better for the universities overall.

Of course the 70k seater programs want all of the attention and exposure to be on the football stadium instead of endorsements for the swim team.

The problem is its easy for this "endorsement/name and likeness" thing to essentially morph into buying players. Lets say, Phil Knight at Nike decides to give every Oregon player a nice $100K "endorsement" deal. Maybe a local car dealership in Alabama is suddenly struck by the belief that Crimson Tide players and recruits would help sell cars. Its not hard to see how this could escalate quickly. The landscape differs somewhat from olympic sports.

If the down side is that all the best players will go to the Alabamas of the world, then there really is no down side, because all the best players are already going to the Alabamas of the world.
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Also, if this is what it takes to get the EA game back, I'm in. :)
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I like it because at least its honest. Instead of having players deal with shady folks, put all the deals out in the open. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
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If people are willing to admit that the recent basketball "revelations" are rampant across the NCAA, especially within the huge revenue generating sports of basketball & football, than any change to bring sunlight to these deals and end the hypocrisy of the "amateurism" model should be welcome.

The financial stakes are too high for sneaker companies, coaches, boosters, agents, and others not to use cash to help curry favor in landing an athlete. The options going-forward are to either de-emphasize sports to take the stakes (money) down, pretend the current system is working and make no changes, OR allow athletes some sort of revenue stream so that they can also benefit from the fruits of their labor. There are lots of ways to address the issue (i'm partial to a system where players have something equivalent to the NFLPA collectively bargaining for them, agreeing to some broad revenue split and having the proceeds placed in trust funds for players to be accessed once eligibility has been exhausted or they go to the next level) but reading these comments, it feels like a lot of the pushback is driven by fans of G5 teams who believe this will tilt the playing field. My question to them however is isn't the playing field already wildly tilted?

Money will find it's way to players in a system with this much money at stake, I'll never believe otherwise. The thing we need to figure out is how do we create a more transparent, less exploitative system that helps both athletes and universities continue to grow the pie. Sports aren't bad and money certainly isn't bad but the amateurism model flat out doesn't work in this environment, its a farce.
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(03-04-2018 12:14 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  I like it because at least its honest. Instead of having players deal with shady folks, put all the deals out in the open. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

Except it isn't honest.

The booster with a business will pay to have the player attend not a free market price representing the advertising value of the player.

Nothing honest about it, it is a lie to pay for their competition not their endorsement.
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(03-04-2018 12:36 PM)bgwisc Wrote:  If people are willing to admit that the recent basketball "revelations" are rampant across the NCAA, especially within the huge revenue generating sports of basketball & football, than any change to bring sunlight to these deals and end the hypocrisy of the "amateurism" model should be welcome.

The financial stakes are too high for sneaker companies, coaches, boosters, agents, and others not to use cash to help curry favor in landing an athlete. The options going-forward are to either de-emphasize sports to take the stakes (money) down, pretend the current system is working and make no changes, OR allow athletes some sort of revenue stream so that they can also benefit from the fruits of their labor. There are lots of ways to address the issue (i'm partial to a system where players have something equivalent to the NFLPA collectively bargaining for them, agreeing to some broad revenue split and having the proceeds placed in trust funds for players to be accessed once eligibility has been exhausted or they go to the next level) but reading these comments, it feels like a lot of the pushback is driven by fans of G5 teams who believe this will tilt the playing field. My question to them however is isn't the playing field already wildly tilted?

Money will find it's way to players in a system with this much money at stake, I'll never believe otherwise. The thing we need to figure out is how do we create a more transparent, less exploitative system that helps both athletes and universities continue to grow the pie. Sports aren't bad and money certainly isn't bad but the amateurism model flat out doesn't work in this environment, its a farce.

If players had the ability to go pro and skip college the players worthy of $100,000 bribes would be receiving their true value and not the $100k payments that were doled out.
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