(03-06-2018 01:23 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: (03-06-2018 01:12 PM)TU4ever Wrote: (03-06-2018 12:35 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote: 7 basketball bids are the ceiling and the bloodshed that would occur in this conference on such a year would be absolute PPV on CSNBBS.
The likely 7 candidates would be Wichita, Memphis, UConn, Temple, Cincy, SMU, and *drum roll* ...Tulsa.
Wichita is going to singlehandedly drag Tulsa (kicking and screaming) back to national relevancy. The city of Tulsa, IS NOT going to stand by while we embarrass their flagship city school year in and year out. Tulsa has loads of money and is likely funneling it TU's direction as we speak. The only risk for them will be the temptation to cheat (same goes for Memphis and UConn). Few programs in the world have a coach like Gregg Marshall. If you don't have Gregg Marshall or Calhoun, etc., you almost have to cheat to have a shot at the big prize.
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Not sure if you're trolling or just that badly informed.
You are right that the Tulsa community will start rumbling if we're not competitive with you. It's really just not ok with us.
If you ask most Tulsans we're the rich kids not the flagship although that changes depending on how good we are. When we're winning we're theirs. There is money but Tulsa city support matches our success level.
Now I know you're trolling it's very clear Tulsa won't cheat.
We've been clawing our way back from 9 seniors. Half way there or so now. Next year we should be close to back. But thanks for offering a hand.
I don't believe that's the way it was back when we were huge rivals. You find yourself in that mindset now due to decades of obscurity.
Next year you won't be "close to back" unless by back you mean scraping and clawing for an NCAA bid. Tulsa being back is Tulsa as a national power, like Wichita. It's going to take a lot of luck, but I think it can happen... with Wichita's help.
You're going to have to hire a superstar coach though. And he's going to have to not use you like a stepping stone. The sign that your program is serious will be if/when we can get you back to winning, you step up and give your coach $2 million+ BEFORE he starts receiving offers elsewhere.
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Back when we were playing you and you were relevant (the early 80s) you are correct. We had almost double the undergrads and we didn't push ourselves as a strict academics type. As WSU began it's two decade slump and TU moved on to bigger things (late 80s-2000) we had a president try and kill athletics and our image changed as our undergrad enrollment was brought down.
TU has gone through a down time the end of Buzz Peterson through Wojick but never really got bad. Tulsa has recent NCAA appearences and unlike WSU we have never experience even a decade of utter irrelevance. The city only loves us at the top level of play. Otherwise we have about 5,000 die hards which is why our attendance has hovered in the 4,000+ range even with meh seasons.
Tulsa pays well, I think I read some where that Haith is like 1.3 million a year and some incentives that can get him to 1.5. I'd say that's about right for what he is currently doing. Not sure why you think we would struggle to do 2 million if a coach deserved it, we offered Bill Self (20 years ago) over a million a decade ago with rising bonuses for each year he stayed that would have turned it to 1.4 a year if he completed it.
Next year TU will be competing for a NCAA at large berth, which is what I expect every year. I expect to win a game most years, a sweet sixteen or better every class or so (4-5 years). We put together a truly dangerous team every six years or so. That's a nationally relevant program. Neither WSU or Tulsa are national powers, although three or four more years of national relevance and deep tourny runs and wsu could get there.
I think WSU being in our conference is a good thing, I think our rivalry will help. Memphis is still in recovery so the challenge they use to give us has been lacking and SMU and Tulsa haven't both been really good at the same time to deepen that competitive connection. But competing against the shockers and kicking ass? That's as natural to us as breathing.
Houston coming along nicely means we have teams close by who are going to force us to compete at the top level or take beatings. For our fans even conference teams not in our region are solid names UConn, Cincy, Temple, and now UCF. We've been smoldering but WSU's arrival will likely have us burning up.