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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 01:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:16 PM)ShockdaWorld Wrote:  Penny would be a great get for Memphis. I’d love to see that.

Yes, he would be awesome. . .

He had a ho hum NBA career, never won a championship.

He has some aau experience and like 5 years coaching high school in Memphis.


Yup what a get. No recruiting experience, no college or NBA coaching experience, no compliance experience, no real travel or media experience as a coach.

Hell at least Clyde Drexel won a championship in the NBA . . .

All fair, but we’re talking about Memphis. He’s like a folk hero there. They wouldn’t be losing every good recruit from their hometown if he was the guy recruiting them.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:37 PM)ShockdaWorld Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:16 PM)ShockdaWorld Wrote:  Penny would be a great get for Memphis. I’d love to see that.

Yes, he would be awesome. . .

He had a ho hum NBA career, never won a championship.

He has some aau experience and like 5 years coaching high school in Memphis.


Yup what a get. No recruiting experience, no college or NBA coaching experience, no compliance experience, no real travel or media experience as a coach.

Hell at least Clyde Drexel won a championship in the NBA . . .

All fair, but we’re talking about Memphis. He’s like a folk hero there. They wouldn’t be losing every good recruit from their hometown if he was the guy recruiting them.

Its not only his status in the city. He knows every AAU coach/sponsor, every high school coach in the city, most of the players worth a damn all the way to the 7th grade level. He's put the work into these relationships in a way the current staff never cared to do.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 01:42 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:34 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I see this all blowing up for Memphis and not in a good way. Nice knowing ya.

Look at the kids coming from Memphis(specifically East HS)next year. Even the non East kids play AAU on Team Penny.

Sign up Penny you probably get:

Tyler Harris for next season
Chandler Lawson(#40 recruit), Malcolm Dandridge and DJ Jeffries(#26) for 2019 just from Memphis.

James Wiseman(#1 recruit 2019) is on Team Penny and at East High but he's going to Kentucky.

Get all of that talent on the roster and I'll be good.


The root of Tubby hate. . .

He doesn't agree that not getting these kids is the end of the world. .oh yeah and the larsons.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
Pastner may be available again...
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:40 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:42 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:34 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I see this all blowing up for Memphis and not in a good way. Nice knowing ya.

Look at the kids coming from Memphis(specifically East HS)next year. Even the non East kids play AAU on Team Penny.

Sign up Penny you probably get:

Tyler Harris for next season
Chandler Lawson(#40 recruit), Malcolm Dandridge and DJ Jeffries(#26) for 2019 just from Memphis.

James Wiseman(#1 recruit 2019) is on Team Penny and at East High but he's going to Kentucky.

Get all of that talent on the roster and I'll be good.


The root of Tubby hate. . .

He doesn't agree that not getting these kids is the end of the world. .oh yeah and the larsons.

Memphis should never lose Memphis kids that we want in recruiting unless we are going up against Duke, KU, UK, etc.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Pastner may be available again...

LOL. We already paid him 1.5 million to go away.

BTW, Whats happening on the Ollie front?
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:28 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:22 PM)Play Angry Wrote:  What are the real time odds this actually happens?

Feedback from megaboosters will weighted accordingly if indicated as such in your response.

The school has lost over $1,000,000 in ticket revenue (seats/ donations) and will get none of a possible $800,000 from the Grizzlies that's part of an attendance agreement. Tubby is costing them $5M (his salary + lost revenue) a year for 19 win seasons and not even making the NIT. Penny solves several problems:

- can work on the cheap while Tubby is paid his buyout money (school has 6 years to pay him off)
- instant top 5-10 recruiting class which Tubby would never get
- season tickets and attendance goes thru the roof

Its a matter of economics as much as it is lousy on court performance. Tubby should be cut loose as soon as Memphis loses in Orlando.


Lol your attendance began falling over 4 years ago and follows a national trend of attendance falling in sports/athletics.

Keep dreaming. Firing a coach who is improving your program after year two is the end of your program. Putting a completely inexperienced coach with no recruiting or college/NBA coaching experience will be the nail in it.

Firing Tubby, hiring Penny. 10 years of dumpster fire. Now if you got Crean or that caliber lying in wait maybe.

And no recruiting to a high school or to an aau team is not recruiting experience. Ask Kelvin Sampson about all the contact rules alone.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:45 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:40 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:42 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:34 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I see this all blowing up for Memphis and not in a good way. Nice knowing ya.

Look at the kids coming from Memphis(specifically East HS)next year. Even the non East kids play AAU on Team Penny.

Sign up Penny you probably get:

Tyler Harris for next season
Chandler Lawson(#40 recruit), Malcolm Dandridge and DJ Jeffries(#26) for 2019 just from Memphis.

James Wiseman(#1 recruit 2019) is on Team Penny and at East High but he's going to Kentucky.

Get all of that talent on the roster and I'll be good.


The root of Tubby hate. . .

He doesn't agree that not getting these kids is the end of the world. .oh yeah and the larsons.

Memphis should never lose Memphis kids that we want in recruiting unless we are going up against Duke, KU, UK, etc.

... or Hitachi State. :)
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Pastner may be available again...

Maybe UConn can hire Josh after Ollie gets canned.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:45 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:40 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:42 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:34 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I see this all blowing up for Memphis and not in a good way. Nice knowing ya.

Look at the kids coming from Memphis(specifically East HS)next year. Even the non East kids play AAU on Team Penny.

Sign up Penny you probably get:

Tyler Harris for next season
Chandler Lawson(#40 recruit), Malcolm Dandridge and DJ Jeffries(#26) for 2019 just from Memphis.

James Wiseman(#1 recruit 2019) is on Team Penny and at East High but he's going to Kentucky.

Get all of that talent on the roster and I'll be good.


The root of Tubby hate. . .

He doesn't agree that not getting these kids is the end of the world. .oh yeah and the larsons.

Memphis should never lose Memphis kids that we want in recruiting unless we are going up against Duke, KU, UK, etc.

That's not the problem. . .

The problem is Tubby doesn't want them.

That kills the Tubby haters because obviously they know more about NCAA caliber talent than a guy who has been to the tourney multiple times.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:49 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:28 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:22 PM)Play Angry Wrote:  What are the real time odds this actually happens?

Feedback from megaboosters will weighted accordingly if indicated as such in your response.

The school has lost over $1,000,000 in ticket revenue (seats/ donations) and will get none of a possible $800,000 from the Grizzlies that's part of an attendance agreement. Tubby is costing them $5M (his salary + lost revenue) a year for 19 win seasons and not even making the NIT. Penny solves several problems:

- can work on the cheap while Tubby is paid his buyout money (school has 6 years to pay him off)
- instant top 5-10 recruiting class which Tubby would never get
- season tickets and attendance goes thru the roof

Its a matter of economics as much as it is lousy on court performance. Tubby should be cut loose as soon as Memphis loses in Orlando.


Lol your attendance began falling over 4 years ago and follows a national trend of attendance falling in sports/athletics.

Keep dreaming. Firing a coach who is improving your program after year two is the end of your program. Putting a completely inexperienced coach with no recruiting or college/NBA coaching experience will be the nail in it.

Firing Tubby, hiring Penny. 10 years of dumpster fire. Now if you got Crean or that caliber lying in wait maybe.

And no recruiting to a high school or to an aau team is not recruiting experience. Ask Kelvin Sampson about all the contact rules alone.

Memphis basketball is not Tulsa basketball. Not on any level.
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Penny - with a haul of elite recruits and AC’s mitigating his weaknesses - would shortly return the Tigers to relevancy.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:46 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Pastner may be available again...

LOL. We already paid him 1.5 million to go away.

BTW, Whats happening on the Ollie front?

According to the-boneyard, some donors have "been told" that Ollie is a goner (02-13-banana) while other donors have "been told" that Ollie will get 1 more year (03-puke)
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:51 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:45 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:40 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:42 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:34 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  I see this all blowing up for Memphis and not in a good way. Nice knowing ya.

Look at the kids coming from Memphis(specifically East HS)next year. Even the non East kids play AAU on Team Penny.

Sign up Penny you probably get:

Tyler Harris for next season
Chandler Lawson(#40 recruit), Malcolm Dandridge and DJ Jeffries(#26) for 2019 just from Memphis.

James Wiseman(#1 recruit 2019) is on Team Penny and at East High but he's going to Kentucky.

Get all of that talent on the roster and I'll be good.


The root of Tubby hate. . .

He doesn't agree that not getting these kids is the end of the world. .oh yeah and the larsons.

Memphis should never lose Memphis kids that we want in recruiting unless we are going up against Duke, KU, UK, etc.

That's not the problem. . .

The problem is Tubby doesn't want them.

That kills the Tubby haters because obviously they know more about NCAA caliber talent than a guy who has been to the tourney multiple times.

It wouldnt bother us at all that he gets non-Memphis players if he got any worth a damn. Pastner didnt get every Memphis kid but he also could go and get Will Barton out of Maryland and Shaq Goodwin out of Atlanta. Both McD's AAs.

Tubby doesnt want to recruit any kids that are highly rated. Him and his staff(minus Esposito) dont want to put the work into it. Hell, Tubby had Saul offering a scholly to a guy who was committed to Ouachita Baptist.

And to say Tubby doesnt want Memphis kids is completely false. He really wanted Alex Lomax and lost out to Wichita State. Which, no offense to WSU, but we shouldnt lose out to them for born and bred Memphis kids. He also has recruited Tyler Harris hard as well....looks like he is going to sign with Baylor, Misstake or UTK if Tubby comes back.

The bottom line is that Tubby and his staff are incapable of putting the effort forth to recruit in their own city let alone throughout the region or nationally at a level that will allow us to be successful.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Penny - with a haul of elite recruits and AC’s mitigating his weaknesses - would shortly return the Tigers to relevancy.

What is the worst thing that could happen ? If he cant Coach he probably leaves Memphis with a crap ton of great recruits for the next coach. I say hire the guy. Tubby is obviously not going to get Memphis back where it belongs
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
Head coach in waiting for a few years? That would be a great move by Memphis.
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(03-06-2018 02:59 PM)nafstrops Wrote:  Head coach in waiting for a few years? That would be a great move by Memphis.

The only problem with that is Penny right as a High School coach/AAU team sponsor was zero recruiting restrictions. Put him on staff and he loses that advantage.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:58 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:51 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:45 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:40 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 01:42 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  Look at the kids coming from Memphis(specifically East HS)next year. Even the non East kids play AAU on Team Penny.

Sign up Penny you probably get:

Tyler Harris for next season
Chandler Lawson(#40 recruit), Malcolm Dandridge and DJ Jeffries(#26) for 2019 just from Memphis.

James Wiseman(#1 recruit 2019) is on Team Penny and at East High but he's going to Kentucky.

Get all of that talent on the roster and I'll be good.


The root of Tubby hate. . .

He doesn't agree that not getting these kids is the end of the world. .oh yeah and the larsons.

Memphis should never lose Memphis kids that we want in recruiting unless we are going up against Duke, KU, UK, etc.

That's not the problem. . .

The problem is Tubby doesn't want them.

That kills the Tubby haters because obviously they know more about NCAA caliber talent than a guy who has been to the tourney multiple times.

It wouldnt bother us at all that he gets non-Memphis players if he got any worth a damn. Pastner didnt get every Memphis kid but he also could go and get Will Barton out of Maryland and Shaq Goodwin out of Atlanta. Both McD's AAs.

Tubby doesnt want to recruit any kids that are highly rated. Him and his staff(minus Esposito) dont want to put the work into it. Hell, Tubby had Saul offering a scholly to a guy who was committed to Ouachita Baptist.

And to say Tubby doesnt want Memphis kids is completely false. He really wanted Alex Lomax and lost out to Wichita State. Which, no offense to WSU, but we shouldnt lose out to them for born and bred Memphis kids. He also has recruited Tyler Harris hard as well....looks like he is going to sign with Baylor, Misstake or UTK if Tubby comes back.

The bottom line is that Tubby and his staff are incapable of putting the effort forth to recruit in their own city let alone throughout the region or nationally at a level that will allow us to be successful.

Tubby doesn't want local kids because of the Lawson fall out and the fact that local people are telling these kids their superstars and they haven't even made it to college yet.

Unhunh lol 11 new players this year. Sounds like not recruiting.

Memphis fans deserve everything they get. They have become obsessed with local recruits and recruiting service rankings. Neither of which mean anything when you step on the court.

They blame attendance loss that began 4 years ago on a guy who got there 2 years ago.

I hope you do fire Tubby and hire Penny. The melt downs on here will be classic, your program is an official dumpster fire and it has nothing to do with your coaches.
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RE: Lots of smoke starting to show in Memphis
(03-06-2018 02:56 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:46 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 02:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Pastner may be available again...

LOL. We already paid him 1.5 million to go away.

BTW, Whats happening on the Ollie front?

According to the-boneyard, some donors have "been told" that Ollie is a goner (02-13-banana) while other donors have "been told" that Ollie will get 1 more year (03-puke)
Which of those two donors have more money .. ?
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Memphis needs to keep Tubby.
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