Seems strange the last 2 search's for a football coach have resulted in success's that surpassed expectations(at least most sane people). Why do we do such weird approach's to our search's for basketball coach's. If the talk of Penny is for real, we are about to hire our 2nd coach in 10 years with ZERO coaching experience.

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

Hopefully, you and Atlanta are spooning and sipping wine spritzers and having a good laugh at everyone's expense. If not, this is a cry for help if there ever was one.

Maybe the guy Tubby had lined up to see the players is still available.

(03-07-2018 08:33 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

Train wreck is exactly how I would describe the Memphis program over the last 4 or 5 years...

In all fairness it's probably more like a prolonged derailment. Either way there's nothing at stake for the OP. There's the chance he could be right. And if he's not nobody will remember this thread.

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

It depends on what you think solid ground is. Tubby's ceiling here - with the hole he has put himself in - is probably a bubble NCAA team every 2 to 4 years.

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

Oh goodie.

We are getting ready to really roll the dice and it could come up snake eyes. I hope it’s a 7 but I’m not buying in totally. I’ve certainly been wrong before and I really hope I am this time.

I agree. This is a MASSIVE train wreck. DA TUBBAH TRAIN!

*Crash* #CornbreadEaters

(03-07-2018 09:51 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Seems strange the last 2 search's for a football coach have resulted in success's that surpassed expectations(at least most sane people). Why do we do such weird approach's to our search's for basketball coach's. If the talk of Penny is for real, we are about to hire our 2nd coach in 10 years with ZERO coaching experience.

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

The two most rational responses so far.

You wouldn't hire a heart surgeon to work on you who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

You wouldn't hire a pilot to fly you around the world who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

Maybe we should fire Geoff Calkins and replace him with a guy who wrote a couple of articles for his high school paper. Same difference.

(03-07-2018 11:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:51 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Seems strange the last 2 search's for a football coach have resulted in success's that surpassed expectations(at least most sane people). Why do we do such weird approach's to our search's for basketball coach's. If the talk of Penny is for real, we are about to hire our 2nd coach in 10 years with ZERO coaching experience.

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

The two most rational responses so far.

You wouldn't hire a heart surgeon to work on you who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

You wouldn't hire a pilot to fly you around the world who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

Maybe we should fire Geoff Calkins and replace him with a guy who wrote a couple of articles for his high school paper. Same difference.

John Martin?

(03-07-2018 11:23 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  We are getting ready to really roll the dice and it could come up snake eyes. I hope it’s a 7 but I’m not buying in totally. I’ve certainly been wrong before and I really hope I am this time.

I think you're right. Hardaway isn't my first, second, third or tenth choice. BUT if he's the coach then I'll support him and hope for his success.

It does seem like this will either work and work big, like getting deep into the NCAA big, or it will be a huge cluster****.

(03-07-2018 11:38 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 11:23 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  We are getting ready to really roll the dice and it could come up snake eyes. I hope it’s a 7 but I’m not buying in totally. I’ve certainly been wrong before and I really hope I am this time.

I think you're right. Hardaway isn't my first, second, third or tenth choice. BUT if he's the coach then I'll support him and hope for his success.

It does seem like this will either work and work big, like getting deep into the NCAA big, or it will be a huge cluster****.

Based on his total lack of experience, I'm guessing the latter.

A few years of middle school, high school, and AAU ball do not compare to coaching at the college level. He hasn't paid his dues nor does he have any idea what the job entails. He could grab the players he's coached at Lester and East and from his AAU team, but after that, what can he do? There's more recruiting to do after that. Scheduling. Logistics. Breaking down film. Managing a college staff (who would all have more experience than him). Community outreach. Fundraising.

We would be throwing a non-swimmer in the deep end of the pool. I do not like his chances of success.

(03-07-2018 11:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:51 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Seems strange the last 2 search's for a football coach have resulted in success's that surpassed expectations(at least most sane people). Why do we do such weird approach's to our search's for basketball coach's. If the talk of Penny is for real, we are about to hire our 2nd coach in 10 years with ZERO coaching experience.

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

The two most rational responses so far.

You wouldn't hire a heart surgeon to work on you who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

You wouldn't hire a pilot to fly you around the world who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

Maybe we should fire Geoff Calkins and replace him with a guy who wrote a couple of articles for his high school paper. Same difference.

But this isn’t heart surgery bro. Recruiting and is the biggest part of coaching college BB. And I think Penny can do that.

(03-07-2018 11:06 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

It depends on what you think solid ground is. Tubby's ceiling here - with the hole he has put himself in - is probably a bubble NCAA team every 2 to 4 years.

I don't think that Tubby's ceiling is a bubble team. That's where we disagree.

But ultimately, it's not my decision. I just think that the media and the city gave up on Tubby too soon. I also think Tubby made a mistake in not running off the Lawson clan on Day 1.

Oh well. Fingers crossed that I'm wrong about Penny being a college coach...

(03-07-2018 12:16 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 11:06 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

It depends on what you think solid ground is. Tubby's ceiling here - with the hole he has put himself in - is probably a bubble NCAA team every 2 to 4 years.

I don't think that Tubby's ceiling is a bubble team. That's where we disagree.

But ultimately, it's not my decision. I just think that the media and the city gave up on Tubby too soon. I also think Tubby made a mistake in not running off the Lawson clan on Day 1.

Oh well. Fingers crossed that I'm wrong about Penny being a college coach...

Tubby's ceiling is a .500 conference record.. lol

Tubby's ceiling is well below Forum level..

He can't begin to raise that roof.

And that's a big part of the bottom line.

(03-07-2018 11:33 AM)TOGC Wrote:  

(03-07-2018 09:51 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Seems strange the last 2 search's for a football coach have resulted in success's that surpassed expectations(at least most sane people). Why do we do such weird approach's to our search's for basketball coach's. If the talk of Penny is for real, we are about to hire our 2nd coach in 10 years with ZERO coaching experience.

(03-07-2018 10:58 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  I hope you are wrong, but I fear you are going to be right.

I think Tubby would slowly build it the right way and we'd be on solid ground. But, "fans" don't have any patience.

I'll pull for Penny to do well. I just have serious doubts after the first year/recruiting class.

The two most rational responses so far.

You wouldn't hire a heart surgeon to work on you who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

You wouldn't hire a pilot to fly you around the world who had no experience when there are others with experience who are available.

Maybe we should fire Geoff Calkins and replace him with a guy who wrote a couple of articles for his high school paper. Same difference.

An untrained surgeon will kill you.
An untrained pilot will kill you.

An inexperienced HC won't kill you.

These are not good comparisons.

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And to be clear Pastner had coaching experience, not HEAD coaching experience. To be fair to the OP, Penny has NO college assistant coaching experience. Penny has far less coaching experience than Pastner, for what it is worth.

This is exciting, but risky.

Carry on.

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

6208 per game in an 18,000 seat arena. What is left to kill. When your average at an arena was 14,672 going into a season and you average 6,208 then the program is already on life support.

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

You also have to ask yourself who the source of Parrish's info might be. Who would know that Penny talked to Larry Brown about a staff position, and leak it to the press? Would it be someone on Normal St, who would then have to manage the shitshow that was sure to follow, or someone who wished to place pressure on the admin to hire someone in particular?

(03-07-2018 08:12 AM)TOGC Wrote:  Looks like Geoff Calkins, the radio media, Garry Parrish, and a bunch of whiners are trying to completely kill the Tiger basketball program by replacing a clean Hall of Fame coach with an inexperienced guy (and if wild rumors are correct, a guy fired for cheating as an assistant).

This will fail. And I will remind all of you when it does.

Danny Manning is an example that not all the NBA players can coach. He even was an assistant to Self for years.
The only thing that these guys will use as a leverage will be Tubby. They will say for years that Tubby destroyed Memphis basketball. Look at the Uk fan who comes here to thrash Tubby even after 10 years. He even says that Tubby delayed UK's chance for having another NC. The current 10-loss Cal has won them 1 and is making more than the money that is spent in UK's science department.