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If Notre Dame holds firm to independence, which of these 2 teams head to the ACC
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RE: If Notre Dame holds firm to independence, which of these 2 teams head to the ACC
(03-10-2018 12:33 PM)esayem Wrote:  Can I write-in Richmond and Davidson?

You can, but that won't make their chances any better than non-existent. 03-wink
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(03-10-2018 12:08 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
SMUmustangs</blockquote>

Not gonna happen. Texas will never settle for being isloated on an island.
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Exactly, SMUmustangs. Texas has options, most are not beautiful; but they will not go 'ridiculous'.

There has been nothing presented that Swofford has offered Texas a Notre Dame-style deal. Those rumors originated in Texas during the time B12 departures were happening beyond several years back. Of course Texas talked to the ACC and other conferences, as did a host of others.

Taking a huge, no evidence, leap in assuming Swofford did secretly make some offer to Texas, the terms and conditions may not necessarily be the same extended to ND. Also, member ACC schools vote on such things, and their Presidents may not rubber stamp alledged ESPN talking points, whereby there is no evidence they are going to fork out a huge bundle to the ACC to do this, which would include a big, enhanced payout to Texas in addition to the loses ESPN is already taking regarding the LHN. ESPN is cutting back on spending and personnel, and are not in that much of a power position to be re-organizing P-5 conferences at this moment with extraordinary financial incentives. The SEC, a major ESPN investment, may not be keen on an ACC-Texas deal, particularly if ESPN is showing lavish spending of unseen discretionary revenue not coming their way.

Expense is one reason I could see this working. First, no 2 teams are likely worth $60M+ per year, which is what ESPN would have to increase the ACC's payout to if 2 more teams were added -- just to break even. I don't even think full ND membership + whoever is worth $60M, since it's only 4 extra home ND football games in odd years. Whoever NDs partner is won't be carrying their full weight so ND would be subsidizing them. I think ESPN would ultimately pay it to lock up ND long-term.

But a UT deal would pay for itself. The ACC would pay UT a nominal rate like for the football games, like they do for ND, which is currently around $6.5M. Unless something happened to the LHN, the ACC wouldn't give UT a full share of the ACCN. So total cost is only $6.5M + whatever fraction UT would get from ACC for hoops and tier2 games. The question is whether UT could get an NBC-type national contract for its home football games. That's questionable.
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Once the ACC realizes ND will stay independent in football, maybe they should consider a non-football member to balance out the basketball league at 16 teams. Georgetown? Villanova?
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Expense is one reason I could see this working. First, no 2 teams are likely worth $60M+ per year, which is what ESPN would have to increase the ACC's payout to if 2 more teams were added -- just to break even. I don't even think full ND membership + whoever is worth $60M, since it's only 4 extra home ND football games in odd years. Whoever NDs partner is won't be carrying their full weight so ND would be subsidizing them. I think ESPN would ultimately pay it to lock up ND long-term.

But a UT deal would pay for itself. The ACC would pay UT a nominal rate like for the football games, like they do for ND, which is currently around $6.5M. Unless something happened to the LHN, the ACC wouldn't give UT a full share of the ACCN. So total cost is only $6.5M + whatever fraction UT would get from ACC for hoops and tier2 games. The question is whether UT could get an NBC-type national contract for its home football games. That's questionable.
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ND's $6.5 million from the ACC has nothing at all to do with football.

That is ND's full share minus football, i.e. for basketball, etc....

ND gets absolutely no football money from the ACC, other than a share of the bowl pool if, and only if, ND goes to a minor bowl.

ND will get a full share of the ACC Network profits, but that will be more for basketball, baseball, women's basketball, etc......
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(03-10-2018 01:50 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  
(03-10-2018 12:08 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
SMUmustangs</blockquote>

Not gonna happen. Texas will never settle for being isloated on an island.</blockquote>
Exactly, SMUmustangs. Texas has options, most are not beautiful; but they will not go 'ridiculous'.

There has been nothing presented that Swofford has offered Texas a Notre Dame-style deal. Those rumors originated in Texas during the time B12 departures were happening beyond several years back. Of course Texas talked to the ACC and other conferences, as did a host of others.

Taking a huge, no evidence, leap in assuming Swofford did secretly make some offer to Texas, the terms and conditions may not necessarily be the same extended to ND. Also, member ACC schools vote on such things, and their Presidents may not rubber stamp alledged ESPN talking points, whereby there is no evidence they are going to fork out a huge bundle to the ACC to do this, which would include a big, enhanced payout to Texas in addition to the loses ESPN is already taking regarding the LHN. ESPN is cutting back on spending and personnel, and are not in that much of a power position to be re-organizing P-5 conferences at this moment with extraordinary financial incentives. The SEC, a major ESPN investment, may not be keen on an ACC-Texas deal, particularly if ESPN is showing lavish spending of unseen discretionary revenue not coming their way.
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Expense is one reason I could see this working. First, no 2 teams are likely worth $60M+ per year, which is what ESPN would have to increase the ACC's payout to if 2 more teams were added -- just to break even. I don't even think full ND membership + whoever is worth $60M, since it's only 4 extra home ND football games in odd years. Whoever NDs partner is won't be carrying their full weight so ND would be subsidizing them. I think ESPN would ultimately pay it to lock up ND long-term.

But a UT deal would pay for itself. The ACC would pay UT a nominal rate like for the football games, like they do for ND, which is currently around $6.5M. Unless something happened to the LHN, the ACC wouldn't give UT a full share of the ACCN. So total cost is only $6.5M + whatever fraction UT would get from ACC for hoops and tier2 games. The question is whether UT could get an NBC-type national contract for its home football games. That's questionable.

You seem to be missing my point . It is not just about football. Also, you are looking at it from only the ACC's point of view.

Texas has all of the options in the world. Texas has more money than anybody. Every conference would love to have Texas. They do not and will not "settle" for anything.

They are not about to require all of their other sports teams to be on an island and have to travel to the East coast for every away game.
It is a long way from Austin to Boston to play a soccer game.
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RE: If Notre Dame holds firm to independence, which of these 2 teams head to the ACC
(03-10-2018 12:08 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
SMUmustangs</blockquote>

Not gonna happen. Texas will never settle for being isloated on an island.
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Exactly, SMUmustangs. Texas has options, most are not beautiful; but they will not go 'ridiculous'.

There has been nothing presented that Swofford has offered Texas a Notre Dame-style deal. Those rumors originated in Texas during the time B12 departures were happening beyond several years back. Of course Texas talked to the ACC and other conferences, as did a host of others.

Taking a huge, no evidence, leap in assuming Swofford did secretly make some offer to Texas, the terms and conditions may not necessarily be the same extended to ND. Also, member ACC schools vote on such things, and their Presidents may not rubber stamp alledged ESPN talking points, whereby there is no evidence they are going to fork out a huge bundle to the ACC to do this, which would include a big, enhanced payout to Texas in addition to the loses ESPN is already taking regarding the LHN. ESPN is cutting back on spending and personnel, and are not in that much of a power position to be re-organizing P-5 conferences at this moment with extraordinary financial incentives. The SEC, a major ESPN investment, may not be keen on an ACC-Texas deal, particularly if ESPN is showing lavish spending of unseen discretionary revenue not coming their way.


But this is where the Texas-ACC arrangement makes the MOST sense.

Wrapping the failing Longhorn Network into the launch of the ACC Network. (Not necessarily a merger, but a coupling, giving both a boost in viewership).

You add a gigantic market to the ACC Network, and you suddenly find a way to turn the Longhorn Network into something that would be watched by more than just Longhorn fans.

This ... to me ... is why these "Texas to ACC with an ND type deal" scenarios makes any sense at all.


And ... traveling one time zone away for Texas, for their minor sports is hardly impossible. Especially considering just how large their athletic budget is. Finding massive east coast exposure for UT by being an affiliate member of the ACC would MORE than make up for that. Another reason I think they'd be interested. The ability to bolster the recruitment of top notch students from the east coast has to be intriguing to them.
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(03-10-2018 02:06 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Once the ACC realizes ND will stay independent in football, maybe they should consider a non-football member to balance out the basketball league at 16 teams. Georgetown? Villanova?

Nope, tournament works with 15. There is no reason to go to 16 unless ND joins. Even then, ND may want Navy for Football Only. If Navy wants it, no reason to add another Basketball team. Again, don't see ND even pondering joining until after the 2030's and I will be happy to just be breathing at that time. 04-cheers
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(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(03-10-2018 12:08 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  
SMUmustangs</blockquote>

Not gonna happen. Texas will never settle for being isloated on an island.</blockquote>
Exactly, SMUmustangs. Texas has options, most are not beautiful; but they will not go 'ridiculous'.

There has been nothing presented that Swofford has offered Texas a Notre Dame-style deal. Those rumors originated in Texas during the time B12 departures were happening beyond several years back. Of course Texas talked to the ACC and other conferences, as did a host of others.

Taking a huge, no evidence, leap in assuming Swofford did secretly make some offer to Texas, the terms and conditions may not necessarily be the same extended to ND. Also, member ACC schools vote on such things, and their Presidents may not rubber stamp alledged[b' Wrote:  
ESPN talking points, whereby there is no evidence they are going to fork out a huge bundle to the ACC to do this, which would include a big, enhanced payout to Texas in addition to the loses ESPN is already taking regarding the LHN. ESPN is cutting back [/b]on spending and personnel, and are not in that much of a power position to be re-organizing P-5 conferences at this moment with extraordinary financial incentives. The SEC, a major ESPN investment, may not be keen on an ACC-Texas deal, particularly if ESPN is showing lavish spending of unseen discretionary revenue not coming their way.


But this is where the Texas-ACC arrangement makes the MOST sense.

Wrapping the failing Longhorn Network into the launch of the ACC Network. (Not necessarily a merger, but a coupling, giving both a boost in viewership).

You add a gigantic market to the ACC Network, and you suddenly find a way to turn the Longhorn Network into something that would be watched by more than just Longhorn fans.

This ... to me ... is why these "Texas to ACC with an ND type deal" scenarios makes any sense at all.


And ... traveling one time zone away for Texas, for their minor sports is hardly impossible. Especially considering just how large their athletic budget is. Finding massive east coast exposure for UT by being an affiliate member of the ACC would MORE than make up for that. Another reason I think they'd be interested. The ability to bolster the recruitment of top notch students from the east coast has to be intriguing to them.
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If there is an ideal option for Texas per conference affiliation (or give one's best), let's hear it. Being on an island as a negative is quite elementary as a indicator, but certainly a deal-making factor. But let's hear the incentives.

In Notre Dame's case, the ACC deal, from ND's standpoint, was moving their non-fb sports out of the old, diminished Big East into the more prominent ACC, and accepting, as a football independent, a very managable, perhaps even desirable, a five game average of ACC opponents each season. Give up a little flexibility in fb, for assured late season quality, p5 opponents. Being fb independent is a tradition that alumni and major, old-time boosters want, although the rationale is more emotional than economic at this point.

The motive for Texas would not be parallel, even assuming equivalent receptivity on the part of the ACC. This would include rejecting, or being denied, a full association with the PAC12, BIG, or the SEC, plus termination with the B12
entity. The goal: being a Notre Dame copycat? The wish being, not based on a fierce desire for fb independence; but self-determination, given the new loss of the old guys that accepted their operational dominance.

When Notre Dame hooked up with the ACC, the ACC was more vulnerable per potential extractions (acknowledging Maryland departed to the BIG). The ACC is very stable now with the extended GOR, developing TV network, et. al.
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