(03-11-2018 06:31 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 06:04 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  So who should have been in? Other than SMC, no one else has a gripe. Middle Tennessee should have won more games against teams both good and bad.

St. Mary's(28 wins), Middle Tennessee(24-7), USC(23 wins,even though P7), Western Kentucky(24-10), Old Dominion(24-10), Vermont(27-7).

Then maybe some of those clunkers as play-ins.

Again, Middle has no case whatsoever. Maybe if they had won one of their last two games or made the conference final. They went 24-7 and 16-3 with no really jaw dropping wins at all.

What did Vermont do all year, they lost to any team capable of making the Tournament except Northern Kentucky and Harvard then had a bid locked up until they gagged on their home court. If you can't beat UMBC on your home court, who can you beat nationally? Ditto for Old Dominion losing to anyone good. Finally, Western had one good win (I'll let you say 3 to include Marshall) and a plethora of bad losses. They didn't even have to beat the top C-USA seed to make the NCAA's and still lost. No soup for them.

(03-11-2018 06:47 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 06:31 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 06:04 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  So who should have been in? Other than SMC, no one else has a gripe. Middle Tennessee should have won more games against teams both good and bad.

St. Mary's(28 wins), Middle Tennessee(24-7), USC(23 wins,even though P7), Western Kentucky(24-10), Old Dominion(24-10), Vermont(27-7).

Then maybe some of those clunkers as play-ins.

St Mary's turned down games with Rhode island and Creighton. They got what they deserved

That's like turning down a game with Houston and St. Bonaventure before the year, you can't count on those teams to be at-large caliber.

(03-11-2018 07:25 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 06:12 PM)justinslot Wrote:  A .500 conference win rule is a very very good idea. (That won't be implemented because it works against the Cartel leagues.)

To be fair some of these leagues are super deep. The AAC could of had 5 teams if it wasn't for injuries on ucf and smu as an example.

Racking up 25 wins when most teams are 200-300 rpi isn't that impressive. If you add in a few bad losses...sorry

We should have had 4 regardless. If Temple had won 3 more games, it doesn't matter which ones, they're in.

(03-11-2018 08:33 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 07:25 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 06:12 PM)justinslot Wrote:  A .500 conference win rule is a very very good idea. (That won't be implemented because it works against the Cartel leagues.)

To be fair some of these leagues are super deep. The AAC could of had 5 teams if it wasn't for injuries on ucf and smu as an example.

Racking up 25 wins when most teams are 200-300 rpi isn't that impressive. If you add in a few bad losses...sorry

We should have had 4 regardless. If Temple had won 3 more games, it doesn't matter which ones, they're in.

Actually by Alabama, Texas, and OU's bids say 1 more win.

(03-11-2018 08:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 07:35 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  A .500 rule wouldn't hurt the Major 7 conferences as much as some folks think.

How many teams each conference would have eligible.
American - 6 of 12
ACC - 9 of 15
Big 12 - 5 of 10
Big East - 7 of 10
Big 10 - 7 of 14
Pac 12 - 7 of 12
SEC - 8 of 14
Total - 49 of 87 (56%)

It's not to hurt them, it's to even the playing field.

Many of those teams play cupcake schedules outside their conference and depend on good teams in conference at home to get quality wins.

It's unfair to take the money and exposure from your conference and then claim you should be allowed in because your conference is tough. That's all positives and no draw backs. You know who is in your conference, if you can't finish top half of it you don't deserve a chance to win it all.

Even eliminating 4-5 power teams opens the door for the 1st/2nd place lessor conferences teams do some damage.

Perhaps my choice of words wasn't the greatest. When I said the rule wouldn't "hurt" them much I meant it wouldn't lower the amount of bids going to power leagues by as much as many people think. I think your 4-5 team estimate is pretty close, maybe even a little on the high side.

This year there are 5 at large teams with a sub .500 conference record. While the rule would eliminate those teams not all of their replacements would come from non power leagues.

(03-11-2018 08:43 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 08:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 07:35 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  A .500 rule wouldn't hurt the Major 7 conferences as much as some folks think.

How many teams each conference would have eligible.
American - 6 of 12
ACC - 9 of 15
Big 12 - 5 of 10
Big East - 7 of 10
Big 10 - 7 of 14
Pac 12 - 7 of 12
SEC - 8 of 14
Total - 49 of 87 (56%)

It's not to hurt them, it's to even the playing field.

Many of those teams play cupcake schedules outside their conference and depend on good teams in conference at home to get quality wins.

It's unfair to take the money and exposure from your conference and then claim you should be allowed in because your conference is tough. That's all positives and no draw backs. You know who is in your conference, if you can't finish top half of it you don't deserve a chance to win it all.

Even eliminating 4-5 power teams opens the door for the 1st/2nd place lessor conferences teams do some damage.

Perhaps my choice of words wasn't the greatest. When I said the rule wouldn't "hurt" them much I meant it wouldn't lower the amount of bids going to power leagues by as much as many people think. I think your 4-5 team estimate is pretty close, maybe even a little on the high side.

This year there are 5 at large teams with a sub .500 conference record. While the rule would eliminate those teams not all of their replacements would come from non power leagues.

Eh most years it will be 3-6. But we're talking a handful of bids that really need to change each year. Again I'm not trying to punish anyone specifically just insure that worthy teams get an opportunity. You don't have a .500 conference record you don't deserve the at large. Those are reserved for the best teams in the nation and you aren't even one of the best in your conference.

Same reason why Alabama isn't a national champion to me.

After seeing how many teams the committee screwed over, I am even more adament at how much the NCAA-big media complex is corrupt and how they need to be brought up on RICO charges for operating an unlawful monopoly.

Its like this every year so its pretty much expected.