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RE: Pac 12 blues
(03-14-2018 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(03-14-2018 09:28 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 12:11 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  I should hope so, running unopposed on CBS on Selection Sunday.

Exactly, I flipped on the AAC game not because I was looking for it but I thought the selection show was gonna be on CBS.

Ratings were strong the Saturday before the selection show as well.

Exactly. The AAC semis did well. The AAC Hou-Wichita semi final game on Saturday drew more viewers than the Big East FINAL and Pac12 FINAL.

Did anyone see the game live? The Big East final had a raucous sellout crowd in the mecca of basketball.

The AAC tournament seemed like it was filmed before a studio audience in a mostly empty blimp hanger. 04-cheers

Look, nobody thinks that Houston vs Wichita has more brand appeal than Villanova vs Providence or Arizona vs USC, so obviously network issues were at play there. That said, of course it is to the AAC's credit that CBS wanted to broadcast those games on their OTA network.

Was the Big East tournament in Florida? Were 60% of AAC schools driving distance from the AAC tournament? Was the AAC tournament held in a city of nearly 9 million?

Frankly, the AAC tournament will never be the Big East tournament because the AAC is spread all over hell's half acre (same issue in the Pac12). That said, I think the move to Ft Worth might help. A new arena within driving distance of 5 or 6 of the AAC schools should make attending less costly and easier for fans. The 6 million plus Dallas Metroplex might provide a few walk up casual fans as well. I guess we will see.
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RE: Pac 12 blues
(03-14-2018 10:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 09:35 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 09:28 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  Exactly, I flipped on the AAC game not because I was looking for it but I thought the selection show was gonna be on CBS.

Ratings were strong the Saturday before the selection show as well.

Exactly. The AAC semis did well. The AAC Hou-Wichita semi final game on Saturday drew more viewers than the Big East FINAL and Pac12 FINAL.

Did anyone see the game live? The Big East final had a raucous sellout crowd in the mecca of basketball.

The AAC tournament seemed like it was filmed before a studio audience in a mostly empty blimp hanger. 04-cheers

Look, nobody thinks that Houston vs Wichita has more brand appeal than Villanova vs Providence or Arizona vs USC, so obviously network issues were at play there. That said, of course it is to the AAC's credit that CBS wanted to broadcast those games on their OTA network.

Was the Big East tournament in Florida? Were 60% of AAC schools driving distance from the AAC tournament? Was the AAC tournament held in a city of nearly 9 million?

Frankly, the AAC tournament will never be the Big East tournament because the AAC is spread all over hell's half acre (same issue in the Pac12). That said, I think the move to Ft Worth might help. A new arena within driving distance of 5 or 6 of the AAC schools should make attending less costly and easier for fans. The 6 million plus Dallas Metroplex might provide a few walk up casual fans as well. I guess we will see.

IMO, the AAC event would do best at Cincy and Memphis. As centrally located as you can get, except for the Florida schools, which don't care much about hoops anyway and don't have fan bases. Texas is just too far west.

The geography of the AAC is of course a function of its nature, which is that of a catch-all conference for the best/striver football programs not in the Power conferences. It has no culture or center of gravity, both of which the PAC have in spades.
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RE: Pac 12 blues
(03-14-2018 11:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 09:35 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Ratings were strong the Saturday before the selection show as well.

Exactly. The AAC semis did well. The AAC Hou-Wichita semi final game on Saturday drew more viewers than the Big East FINAL and Pac12 FINAL.

Did anyone see the game live? The Big East final had a raucous sellout crowd in the mecca of basketball.

The AAC tournament seemed like it was filmed before a studio audience in a mostly empty blimp hanger. 04-cheers

Look, nobody thinks that Houston vs Wichita has more brand appeal than Villanova vs Providence or Arizona vs USC, so obviously network issues were at play there. That said, of course it is to the AAC's credit that CBS wanted to broadcast those games on their OTA network.

Was the Big East tournament in Florida? Were 60% of AAC schools driving distance from the AAC tournament? Was the AAC tournament held in a city of nearly 9 million?

Frankly, the AAC tournament will never be the Big East tournament because the AAC is spread all over hell's half acre (same issue in the Pac12). That said, I think the move to Ft Worth might help. A new arena within driving distance of 5 or 6 of the AAC schools should make attending less costly and easier for fans. The 6 million plus Dallas Metroplex might provide a few walk up casual fans as well. I guess we will see.

IMO, the AAC event would do best at Cincy and Memphis. As centrally located as you can get, except for the Florida schools, which don't care much about hoops anyway and don't have fan bases. Texas is just too far west.

The geography of the AAC is of course a function of its nature, which is that of a catch-all conference for the best/striver football programs not in the Power conferences. It has no culture or center of gravity, both of which the PAC have in spades.

I dont think West/East matters much. Its about being actually driveable to as many fan bases as possible.
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RE: Pac 12 blues
(03-14-2018 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 11:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. The AAC semis did well. The AAC Hou-Wichita semi final game on Saturday drew more viewers than the Big East FINAL and Pac12 FINAL.

Did anyone see the game live? The Big East final had a raucous sellout crowd in the mecca of basketball.

The AAC tournament seemed like it was filmed before a studio audience in a mostly empty blimp hanger. 04-cheers

Look, nobody thinks that Houston vs Wichita has more brand appeal than Villanova vs Providence or Arizona vs USC, so obviously network issues were at play there. That said, of course it is to the AAC's credit that CBS wanted to broadcast those games on their OTA network.

Was the Big East tournament in Florida? Were 60% of AAC schools driving distance from the AAC tournament? Was the AAC tournament held in a city of nearly 9 million?

Frankly, the AAC tournament will never be the Big East tournament because the AAC is spread all over hell's half acre (same issue in the Pac12). That said, I think the move to Ft Worth might help. A new arena within driving distance of 5 or 6 of the AAC schools should make attending less costly and easier for fans. The 6 million plus Dallas Metroplex might provide a few walk up casual fans as well. I guess we will see.

IMO, the AAC event would do best at Cincy and Memphis. As centrally located as you can get, except for the Florida schools, which don't care much about hoops anyway and don't have fan bases. Texas is just too far west.

The geography of the AAC is of course a function of its nature, which is that of a catch-all conference for the best/striver football programs not in the Power conferences. It has no culture or center of gravity, both of which the PAC have in spades.

I dont think West/East matters much. Its about being actually driveable to as many fan bases as possible.

If that's the criteria, then it probably doesn't matter where we put it, because other than USF/UCF and Navy/Temple none of the AAC schools are really favorably drive-able to each other.

Even Tulsa and Dallas and Dallas and Houston are well more than 200 miles away, a pain in the arse drive just to see a conference hoops tournament.
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RE: Pac 12 blues
(03-14-2018 04:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 11:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 11:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:51 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Did anyone see the game live? The Big East final had a raucous sellout crowd in the mecca of basketball.

The AAC tournament seemed like it was filmed before a studio audience in a mostly empty blimp hanger. 04-cheers

Look, nobody thinks that Houston vs Wichita has more brand appeal than Villanova vs Providence or Arizona vs USC, so obviously network issues were at play there. That said, of course it is to the AAC's credit that CBS wanted to broadcast those games on their OTA network.

Was the Big East tournament in Florida? Were 60% of AAC schools driving distance from the AAC tournament? Was the AAC tournament held in a city of nearly 9 million?

Frankly, the AAC tournament will never be the Big East tournament because the AAC is spread all over hell's half acre (same issue in the Pac12). That said, I think the move to Ft Worth might help. A new arena within driving distance of 5 or 6 of the AAC schools should make attending less costly and easier for fans. The 6 million plus Dallas Metroplex might provide a few walk up casual fans as well. I guess we will see.

IMO, the AAC event would do best at Cincy and Memphis. As centrally located as you can get, except for the Florida schools, which don't care much about hoops anyway and don't have fan bases. Texas is just too far west.

The geography of the AAC is of course a function of its nature, which is that of a catch-all conference for the best/striver football programs not in the Power conferences. It has no culture or center of gravity, both of which the PAC have in spades.

I dont think West/East matters much. Its about being actually driveable to as many fan bases as possible.

If that's the criteria, then it probably doesn't matter where we put it, because other than USF/UCF and Navy/Temple none of the AAC schools are really favorably drive-able to each other.

Even Tulsa and Dallas and Dallas and Houston are well more than 200 miles away, a pain in the arse drive just to see a conference hoops tournament.

Perhaps---but thats as a good as it gets in the spread out AAC. You'll have a decent turnout from Wichita (2K), SMU (2K), Tulsa (1K), Memphis (1K), and Houston (1K) in Dallas. Add a few hundred each from UConn and Cinci...and few hundred total from everyone else (another K)---along with the walk up a 7 million metro provides....it will be about as good as we can expect in this conference. I think we'll average around 8K or better. Frankly---I think we need a 8-10K venue somewhere in Dallas so it looks really good on TV. Filling a 13K arena is still a bit ambitious in my opinion.
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And Syracuse knocks off Arizona State 60-56. So both PAC play in schools lose leaving Arizona as the only school from the PAC entering the opening round.
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(03-14-2018 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And Syracuse knocks off Arizona State 60-56. So both PAC play in schools lose leaving Arizona as the only school from the PAC entering the opening round.

SU held ASU to it lowest score all season, 56 was 30 points off their average. No defense being played in the Pac 12.
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(03-14-2018 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And Syracuse knocks off Arizona State 60-56. So both PAC play in schools lose leaving Arizona as the only school from the PAC entering the opening round.

The struggle bus continues its run.
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Championship Game #’s
ACC 3.435
B1G 3.180
BXII 2.852
SEC 2.553
AAC 2.091
MVC 1.765
MWC 1.587
BE 1.491
A10 1.349
PAC .612

PAC finished 10th. Any other leagues eclipse 612k to push the PAC out of the top 10?
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WCC got 877k.
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(03-14-2018 11:34 PM)PusherT Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 10:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And Syracuse knocks off Arizona State 60-56. So both PAC play in schools lose leaving Arizona as the only school from the PAC entering the opening round.

SU held ASU to it lowest score all season, 56 was 30 points off their average. No defense being played in the Pac 12.

I was surprised the game was so close (and it was actually closer than the 4 point final margin). Syracuse was a bad matchup for ASU, way bigger.
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Not a good football and basketball year for the Conference of Champions.
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(03-14-2018 11:52 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Championship Game #’s
ACC 3.435
B1G 3.180
BXII 2.852
SEC 2.553
AAC 2.091
MVC 1.765
MWC 1.587
BE 1.491
A10 1.349
WCC .877
PAC .612

PAC finished 10th. Any other leagues eclipse 612k to push the PAC out of the top 10?

PAC finished 11th
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(03-15-2018 08:56 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Not a good football and basketball year for the Conference of Champions.

Yep, turrible.

And Arizona is currently trailing Buffalo by *14* with just 8 minutes left.
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We're not far from the Pac-12 being eliminated, though I may have jinxed it.
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(03-15-2018 10:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 08:56 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Not a good football and basketball year for the Conference of Champions.

Yep, turrible.

And Arizona is currently trailing Buffalo by *14* with just 8 minutes left.

I can hear Steam warming up. And yes I will be posting a youtube of them should Arizona lose.
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You asked for it Pac-12!



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Buffalo 89 Arizona 68! The PAC is out of the tournament and 0-3. This has to be a new low water mark in the toilet bowl that has become PAC 12 sports.
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(03-15-2018 08:56 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Not a good football and basketball year for the Conference of Champions.

Conferences that have 1 bowl win and 0 tournament wins

Patriot League
PAC12

Conferences that have 1 bowl win and 1 tournament wins

MAC

Tomorrow CUSA, the MWC, and the Sun Belt can join the group that has more bowl wins and more tournament wins than the Pac12

EDIT, it was pointed out that both the WAC and Patriot league can pass the Pac12 tomorrow too..
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(03-15-2018 10:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Buffalo 89 Arizona 68! The PAC is out of the tournament and 0-3. This has to be a new low water mark in the toilet bowl that has become PAC 12 sports.

They didn't even last until Friday.
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