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RE: Andy Staples says if usf didn’t block UCF
Honestly, I think The Jim was part of the problem. He was pounding at the pulpit the inferiority of UCF...... and Judy followed his lead........ until The Jim got in hot water, which started USF's decline.
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RE: Andy Staples says if usf didn’t block UCF
(03-13-2018 03:33 PM)justinslot Wrote:  I think even if UCF and USF had cooperated they'd still be in the AAC right now. The old timey dudes who run college athletics hate johnnie-come-latelys, they want to coast on their unearned monopoly power forever.
This would be the correct answer. The only way into the club is to force your way into it. Utah, Louisville with BCS wins and national championships. While I think UCF/USF will get their eventual due in a "p5/p6" it won't be until some movement and their hand is force once again.
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RE: Andy Staples says if usf didn’t block UCF
(03-13-2018 01:00 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  "At that point when the Big East was intact, the only school the Big East could have legitimately added that made sense was UCF," an industry source said. "Maryland and Boston College? They wouldn't even return the Big East's calls. But the Big East couldn't add UCF because [South Florida president] Judy Genshaft kept shooting down UCF."

Genshaft's continuing insistence to block UCF from the league was a huge contributing factor which ultimately led to the league's current instability, a league source said. That's because in April of 2011, with TCU on board, Marinatto and the league negotiated a nine-year deal worth $1.4 billion for its new media rights deal. Marinatto recommended to his presidents that they accept the offer and they promptly voted against it.

"I think that was the stupidest decision ever made [to turn it down] in college athletics," a league source said. "To have the equity of ESPN as your brand and the stability that would have gone with it."

"If the TV deal was accepted and UCF had been added [as a 10th football member], who knows if Pitt and Syracuse ever leave," an industry source said.

"Everyone left because of stability and right there was your stability with that TV deal." A month after Syracuse and Pittsburgh announced they were leaving, Marinatto -- to help stabilize the league -- recommended on Oct. 2 to the league's presidents that the Big East should increase its exit fee from $5 million to $12 million-$15 million, according to documents obtained by CBSSports.com.

And surprise, surprise: the league's presidents refused to increase the exit fee. Four days later, TCU announced it was headed to the Big 12 and two weeks after that, West Virginia announced it was leaving for the Big 12.

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That is so revisionist and flat out wrong that it is laughable.

It's also a tired attack that has been refuted many times.

Syracuse and Pitt were negotiating an exit since 2003 and had nothing to do with UL, USF, UCONN and UC joining the league. The old guard was never going to stay in the BigEast.

The TV contract was killed at the existence of Pittsburgh's chancellor with help from Rutgers, WVU and Syracuse. UL, USF and UC were all in favor of signing as it was a significant increase from their C-USA days and their existing BigEast contract.

Moreover, the Big East Pitt, Cuse, WVU, UL and an incoming TCU yet ESPN still lowballed the league and why expansion fell apart.

Finally, do you really think USF had the much power to block any expansion team?

Andy Staples is repeating ignorance from Brandon Helwig....

Must be the off season as UCF fans are returning to circle jerk, fake news mode.
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(03-13-2018 01:00 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Genshaft's continuing insistence to block UCF from the league was a huge contributing factor which ultimately led to the league's current instability, a league source said. That's because in April of 2011, with TCU on board, Marinatto and the league negotiated a nine-year deal worth $1.4 billion for its new media rights deal. Marinatto recommended to his presidents that they accept the offer and they promptly voted against it.

"I think that was the stupidest decision ever made [to turn it down] in college athletics," a league source said. "To have the equity of ESPN as your brand and the stability that would have gone with it."

Not stupid for Pitt and Cuse who were secretly negotiating with the ACC and stood to make double the $10-million by jumping to the ACC, nevermind the prestige upgrade for their athletic program as a whole. This was all chronicled by the papers and online.

However, feel free to continue showing your ignorance...

You certainly have a lot of practice.
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RE: Andy Staples says if usf didn’t block UCF
Cyber bull is right. The old guard BE of Cuse, Pitt and WVU wanted out of the league since the first raid. Syracuse was supposed to join BC and Miami but last minute deals by the governor of Virginia got the ACC to take VT instead.

Pitt was talking to both the ACC and the Big Twelve. Syracuse was talking to the B10 and the ACC. WVU was talking to everyone.

Bottom line an earlier UCF addition would not have made a difference in saving the Big East and the Bug 12 would not have taken the two FL schools. They would not even take Louisville
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RE: Andy Staples says if usf didn’t block UCF
(03-13-2018 06:03 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 01:00 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Genshaft's continuing insistence to block UCF from the league was a huge contributing factor which ultimately led to the league's current instability, a league source said. That's because in April of 2011, with TCU on board, Marinatto and the league negotiated a nine-year deal worth $1.4 billion for its new media rights deal. Marinatto recommended to his presidents that they accept the offer and they promptly voted against it.

"I think that was the stupidest decision ever made [to turn it down] in college athletics," a league source said. "To have the equity of ESPN as your brand and the stability that would have gone with it."

Not stupid for Pitt and Cuse who were secretly negotiating with the ACC and stood to make double the $10-million by jumping to the ACC, nevermind the prestige upgrade for their athletic program as a whole. This was all chronicled by the papers and online.

However, feel free to continue showing your ignorance...

You certainly have a lot of practice.

Man, you're not very hospitable.....man....

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(03-13-2018 05:49 PM)bearcat29 Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 03:33 PM)justinslot Wrote:  I think even if UCF and USF had cooperated they'd still be in the AAC right now. The old timey dudes who run college athletics hate johnnie-come-latelys, they want to coast on their unearned monopoly power forever.
This would be the correct answer. The only way into the club is to force your way into it. Utah, Louisville with BCS wins and national championships. While I think UCF/USF will get their eventual due in a "p5/p6" it won't be until some movement and their hand is force once again.

I am not so sure. UCF has been far more successful in the CUSA and AAC than USF and could have been that way in the BE which could have them in a P5 conference without USF. USF should be in the ACC with the recruiting advantages but never panned out.
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So USF got WVU to leave the BE and open a spot for Temple? Thanks Bulls!
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I believe UCF was being considered by the BE for FB only membership over USF originally before the first realignment phase to get BE FB up to 9 teams in the conference. The BB schools didn't want UCF's BB and Olympic Sports but the FB oriented schools wanted another school for scheduling purposes. Back when the BE started growing their FB business a lot of schools were added as FB only schools so the main income from the BB revenue would not be shared and diluted with the new additions. Rutgers, WV, VT, and Temple were added to the BE as FB only members when that line of thinking was followed to keep FB members like Syracuse, Pitt, and BC happy as the days as FB Independents was coming to a close in the Northeast region and with college FB as a whole. Miami was the only school added as a full member at that time because that was the only they could convince the reigning National Football Champs to join the BE with their FB program while the ACC was still shutting them out of their conference. When Trained Goose was the commissioner and the first realignment phase hit with the loss of Miami, BC, and VT - he steered the league towards USF and the Tampa / Saint Pete TV market for the TV contract he was negotiating with ESPN. 03-shhhh 07-coffee3 04-cheers
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I know this isn’t how history works but...

Sub in TCU/WVU for the Florida twins in the AAC, everything else stays the same. Much better geographical fit. Better hoops. Better brand awareness. Lower ceiling. All things said, do you think AAC gets better perception from the get go with those two?
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USF didn't block anyone. Another lie. USF had a grand total of ONE vote out of 16 schools. If the Big East would have wanted UCF, they would have been added. I repeat, USF had 1/16th of the votes, far less than it would have taken to block UCF. Was USF giddy about adding UCF? Probably not. But neither would UCF have been if the roles had been reversed. TCU and Villanova (who was already a member of the Big East) were the favorites to get to 10 football schools.

Pitt and Syracuse killed the BE (specifically Pitt), who led the rejection of a mega TV deal that would have permanently saved Big East. Pitt and Syracuse negotiated behind everyone's backs with the ACC, while putting on a happy face with the Big East. That is really what happened. But believe what you want.

Much of the "USF is blocking UCF" came from Brett McMurphy, who in case you didn't know, had a major beef with USF, had major issues with former coach Leavitt, and wrote the hit piece that got Leavitt fired, then subsequently was let go from his USF beat at the Tampa Tribune. Just so you know.
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Funny how it takes this sort of stuff to bring all 8 USF fans out of the woodwork. Nope, what goes on on the court or field doesn't get their attention, but rather what UCF does.
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(03-14-2018 09:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF didn't block anyone. Another lie. USF had a grand total of ONE vote out of 16 schools. If the Big East would have wanted UCF, they would have been added. I repeat, USF had 1/16th of the votes, far less than it would have taken to block UCF. Was USF giddy about adding UCF? Probably not. But neither would UCF have been if the roles had been reversed. TCU and Villanova (who was already a member of the Big East) were the favorites to get to 10 football schools.

Pitt and Syracuse killed the BE (specifically Pitt), who led the rejection of a mega TV deal that would have permanently saved Big East. Pitt and Syracuse negotiated behind everyone's backs with the ACC, while putting on a happy face with the Big East. That is really what happened. But believe what you want.

Much of the "USF is blocking UCF" came from Brett McMurphy, who in case you didn't know, had a major beef with USF, had major issues with former coach Leavitt, and wrote the hit piece that got Leavitt fired, then subsequently was let go from his USF beat at the Tampa Tribune. Just so you know.

Wow... I check in after about a month... same old nonsense. You are of course, correct. You state facts that are easily verifiable. But that won't matter to the oddballs who want to believe their victim fantasy... USF couldn't have blocked anyone if they wanted to... Good Lord, you would think a National Championship would have them leaving these whiny fantasies in the rear view mirror. Oh well.. some things will never change. 07-coffee3
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(03-14-2018 10:09 AM)Bull Wrote:  
(03-14-2018 09:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF didn't block anyone. Another lie. USF had a grand total of ONE vote out of 16 schools. If the Big East would have wanted UCF, they would have been added. I repeat, USF had 1/16th of the votes, far less than it would have taken to block UCF. Was USF giddy about adding UCF? Probably not. But neither would UCF have been if the roles had been reversed. TCU and Villanova (who was already a member of the Big East) were the favorites to get to 10 football schools.

Pitt and Syracuse killed the BE (specifically Pitt), who led the rejection of a mega TV deal that would have permanently saved Big East. Pitt and Syracuse negotiated behind everyone's backs with the ACC, while putting on a happy face with the Big East. That is really what happened. But believe what you want.

Much of the "USF is blocking UCF" came from Brett McMurphy, who in case you didn't know, had a major beef with USF, had major issues with former coach Leavitt, and wrote the hit piece that got Leavitt fired, then subsequently was let go from his USF beat at the Tampa Tribune. Just so you know.

Wow... I check in after about a month... same old nonsense. You are of course, correct. You state facts that are easily verifiable. But that won't matter to the oddballs who want to believe their victim fantasy... USF couldn't have blocked anyone if they wanted to... Good Lord, you would think a National Championship would have them leaving these whiny fantasies in the rear view mirror. Oh well.. some things will never change. 07-coffee3

I am overwhelmed with irony that it was called a "hit" piece on Leavitt when Leavitt was the hitter. Who threatened the player. Then covered it up. Geez. At least UCF fans have the decency to recognize GOL was a POS.

No wonder why I call USF the University of Snow Flakes. They can dish it out. But they sure can't take it.
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(03-14-2018 09:54 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  USF didn't block anyone. Another lie. USF had a grand total of ONE vote out of 16 schools. If the Big East would have wanted UCF, they would have been added. I repeat, USF had 1/16th of the votes, far less than it would have taken to block UCF. Was USF giddy about adding UCF? Probably not. But neither would UCF have been if the roles had been reversed. TCU and Villanova (who was already a member of the Big East) were the favorites to get to 10 football schools.

Pitt and Syracuse killed the BE (specifically Pitt), who led the rejection of a mega TV deal that would have permanently saved Big East. Pitt and Syracuse negotiated behind everyone's backs with the ACC, while putting on a happy face with the Big East. That is really what happened. But believe what you want.

Much of the "USF is blocking UCF" came from Brett McMurphy, who in case you didn't know, had a major beef with USF, had major issues with former coach Leavitt, and wrote the hit piece that got Leavitt fired, then subsequently was let go from his USF beat at the Tampa Tribune. Just so you know.

This. The newer schools just don't understand how badly Pitt and Syracuse wanted out of this conference. They weren't around to experience it first hand like we did. Short of Penn State and/or Miami, BC and VT coming back; there was no saving the Big East.
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Yes usf blocked UCF. Yes Genshaft has only one vote but apparently you either need to brush up on how politics and lobbying work or you need to watch every season of House of Cards. Genshaft was also able to persuade Jurich to not make public louisvile’s intention to leave.
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It will be funny in about 10-20 years when all the new USF/UCF fans and alumni will have no idea what these old codgers are talking about.

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(03-13-2018 12:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We’d both be in the B12 right now. Way to go usf. https://mobile.twitter.com/ucfsports/sta...0619091968

Uh, no.
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