(03-14-2018 05:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  most of the details are bad...but i think the most riskest part of this deal is that c-usa is longer partner with a power brand

right now espn controls all the rights to the mac and the sunblet..they are also using them as a center piece of their new platform, which they desperately need to succeed

espn also controls every bowl game, most preseason basketball tournament and also the most influential in college sports...they are now incentivized to boost the mac/sunbelt and no reason to care about c-usa
thats a gamble

The MAC has had a deal with ESPN for a while now, with Tuesday/Wednesday night access on the major networks in football. Have they gotten a boost from that? It's not a sarcastic question; I don't often get to watch their midweek games because I work second shift and so I don't know if they help the brand the rest of the week on ESPN or if it's just contained to the games themselves.

(03-14-2018 05:00 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:44 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:22 PM)sportdawg Wrote:  Wren Baker‏Verified account @wrenbakerFollowFollow
@wrenbaker

Replying to @dnadeau77
Yes, the other agreements are still place (beIN) and are also being negotiated. All in, revenue will be up substantially. I predict overall distribution will be up as well. Most importantly, unlike ESPN3 and ESPN+, we don't have to pay production costs which can be substantial

Didnt CUSA just give schools a bunch of money to upgrade our production capabilities? Some of our schools actually do a less than awful job at it these days. Those that can produce their own should have the option of getting those games on ESPN3 at least.

And you say revenue will be up substantially. I hope you're right, but I find it hard to believe FB and Stadium are going to pay our schools $500k to $1m a year for content. Anything less than $500k is nothing.

We'll know much better where we stand when the MW and AAC renegotiate. If those conferences get mostly relegated to these non broadcast sites and get less than $1million per school too then we'll know that the P5 separation is basically complete and can move forward with that knowledge.

Markets mean nothing, history means nothing, fan bases mean nothing, performance on the field means nothing. All that matters is the patch sewn on the jersey. The P5s, NCAA and their media shills are starving us of money, exposure and opportunity.

I see the MW get a downgrade and the aac getting a massive upgrade.

Why do you think the AAC gets an upgrade. I see them getting a massive downgrade as well. Sure, they'l probably get much better than this deal, but I cant see it being as good as what they have now, and probably significantly worse. Seems a TV network is going to look at what they bought the SB, CUSA and MAC for and double or triple that at the most, which still isn't very much.

Aac ratings have been great.

I think the aac took less money to be on ESPN and IMO it has paid off considerably for their exposure.

Throw in the fact that they have multiple teams in the tour amend every year and have has 3 teams in top 25 in football multiple years and you have the foundations of a pretty good case for an increase in revenue.

(03-14-2018 05:18 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hey, hey guys....slow down on the talk of this being a bad deal.

First: You are going to be getting more $$ than last year. Good.

Second: You are rid of ESPN...Good. CBS keeps on topic of the games and not talking about a P5 game while the game is going on.

Third: Being on CBSSN hasn't hurt the MW and actually with the internet TV packages, CBSSN is getting more accessible. Good. And they are heading towards a ESPN + platform themselves.

Fourth: Facebook has been a success whether you realize it or not. CBS is going to broadcast games on Facebook and they wouldn't be doing that if they didn't think it would be worthwhile.

Fifth: Continued relationship with Stadium. Good! Stadium OTA is now in 66 cities and counting. The Roku channel they have has been better than expected and you can watch all those game on TV for free. Not to mention also the Pluto TV channel gives additional access (I see the MW doing a big deal with Stadium)

Number of games is the issue. If we are going to stay with the anti-ESPN slant we need more than nine games shown. That's not even a game a week.

Actually, maybe that is all CBS SN could get right now. Stadium is a big partner but lest you forget that BeIN is taking 10 or so games that could be available to CBSSN.
Perhaps when the BeIn deal is up, CUSA or BeIN won't renew and those games then can be divided between CBS and Stadium.

Actually CBSSN is showing 13 games total: CCG, 9 TV games and 3 FB games.

(03-14-2018 04:10 PM)Rabonchild Wrote:  Each school must believe in themselves and invest in themselves. Each school reaches out to another conference, or creates another conference with some of the schools in CUSA, or we develop our own conference YouTube channel and sell subscriptions to our alumni and fans , or call up Liberty and ask them can they get us on TV.

The problem the MAC has isn't that a school or two have weeknight games, but ALL MAC conference games during November in the past have been during the week, they have had no weekend games. Selling your soul to that has destroyed many of their fan bases.

(03-14-2018 05:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:18 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hey, hey guys....slow down on the talk of this being a bad deal.

First: You are going to be getting more $$ than last year. Good.

Second: You are rid of ESPN...Good. CBS keeps on topic of the games and not talking about a P5 game while the game is going on.

Third: Being on CBSSN hasn't hurt the MW and actually with the internet TV packages, CBSSN is getting more accessible. Good. And they are heading towards a ESPN + platform themselves.

Fourth: Facebook has been a success whether you realize it or not. CBS is going to broadcast games on Facebook and they wouldn't be doing that if they didn't think it would be worthwhile.

Fifth: Continued relationship with Stadium. Good! Stadium OTA is now in 66 cities and counting. The Roku channel they have has been better than expected and you can watch all those game on TV for free. Not to mention also the Pluto TV channel gives additional access (I see the MW doing a big deal with Stadium)

Number of games is the issue. If we are going to stay with the anti-ESPN slant we need more than nine games shown. That's not even a game a week.

Actually, maybe that is all CBS SN could get right now. Stadium is a big partner but lest you forget that BeIN is taking 10 or so games that could be available to CBSSN.
Perhaps when the BeIn deal is up, CUSA or BeIN won't renew and those games then can be divided between CBS and Stadium.

You can say that again.

(03-14-2018 04:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:22 PM)sportdawg Wrote:  Wren Baker‏Verified account @wrenbakerFollowFollow
@wrenbaker

Replying to @dnadeau77
Yes, the other agreements are still place (beIN) and are also being negotiated. All in, revenue will be up substantially. I predict overall distribution will be up as well. Most importantly, unlike ESPN3 and ESPN+, we don't have to pay production costs which can be substantial

Didnt CUSA just give schools a bunch of money to upgrade our production capabilities? Some of our schools actually do a less than awful job at it these days. Those that can produce their own should have the option of getting those games on ESPN3 at least.

And you say revenue will be up substantially. I hope you're right, but I find it hard to believe FB and Stadium are going to pay our schools $500k to $1m a year for content. Anything less than $500k is nothing.

We'll know much better where we stand when the MW and AAC renegotiate. If those conferences get mostly relegated to these non broadcast sites and get less than $1million per school too then we'll know that the P5 separation is basically complete and can move forward with that knowledge.

Markets mean nothing, history means nothing, fan bases mean nothing, performance on the field means nothing. All that matters is the patch sewn on the jersey. The P5s, NCAA and their media shills are starving us of money, exposure and opportunity.

Roy Kramer & Co. never could of dreamed it would go so well and evolve into what it’s become.

(03-14-2018 04:44 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:22 PM)sportdawg Wrote:  Wren Baker‏Verified account @wrenbakerFollowFollow
@wrenbaker

Replying to @dnadeau77
Yes, the other agreements are still place (beIN) and are also being negotiated. All in, revenue will be up substantially. I predict overall distribution will be up as well. Most importantly, unlike ESPN3 and ESPN+, we don't have to pay production costs which can be substantial

Didnt CUSA just give schools a bunch of money to upgrade our production capabilities? Some of our schools actually do a less than awful job at it these days. Those that can produce their own should have the option of getting those games on ESPN3 at least.

And you say revenue will be up substantially. I hope you're right, but I find it hard to believe FB and Stadium are going to pay our schools $500k to $1m a year for content. Anything less than $500k is nothing.

We'll know much better where we stand when the MW and AAC renegotiate. If those conferences get mostly relegated to these non broadcast sites and get less than $1million per school too then we'll know that the P5 separation is basically complete and can move forward with that knowledge.

Markets mean nothing, history means nothing, fan bases mean nothing, performance on the field means nothing. All that matters is the patch sewn on the jersey. The P5s, NCAA and their media shills are starving us of money, exposure and opportunity.

I see the MW get a downgrade and the aac getting a massive upgrade.

AAC has solid basketball going for them and that will be their lifesaver.

(03-14-2018 05:18 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:01 PM)pesik Wrote:  most of the details are bad...but i think the most riskest part of this deal is that c-usa is longer partner with a power brand

right now espn controls all the rights to the mac and the sunblet..they are also using them as a center piece of their new platform, which they desperately need to succeed

espn also controls every bowl game, most preseason basketball tournament and also the most influential in college sports...they are now incentivized to boost the mac/sunbelt and no reason to care about c-usa
thats a gamble

The MAC has had a deal with ESPN for a while now, with Tuesday/Wednesday night access on the major networks in football. Have they gotten a boost from that? It's not a sarcastic question; I don't often get to watch their midweek games because I work second shift and so I don't know if they help the brand the rest of the week on ESPN or if it's just contained to the games themselves.

at that time all g5 had deals with espn, and espn had no reason to boost anyone.. they monopolized the sport

now espn has a reason to have a preference...and has a new network ESPN+ it desperately needs to succeed (boosting the content)..

you know bowl deals arent done yearly. it is done once every 6 years, with the next renegotiation date for all non-ny6 bowls redone after the 2019-2020 season

not sure why you think its crazy a multi-billion dollar corporation won't act in its own best interest
the big east/big 10 challenge was manufactured by fox to boost the big east which it owned exclusively

(03-14-2018 05:26 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:18 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Hey, hey guys....slow down on the talk of this being a bad deal.

First: You are going to be getting more $$ than last year. Good.

Second: You are rid of ESPN...Good. CBS keeps on topic of the games and not talking about a P5 game while the game is going on.

Third: Being on CBSSN hasn't hurt the MW and actually with the internet TV packages, CBSSN is getting more accessible. Good. And they are heading towards a ESPN + platform themselves.

Fourth: Facebook has been a success whether you realize it or not. CBS is going to broadcast games on Facebook and they wouldn't be doing that if they didn't think it would be worthwhile.

Fifth: Continued relationship with Stadium. Good! Stadium OTA is now in 66 cities and counting. The Roku channel they have has been better than expected and you can watch all those game on TV for free. Not to mention also the Pluto TV channel gives additional access (I see the MW doing a big deal with Stadium)

Number of games is the issue. If we are going to stay with the anti-ESPN slant we need more than nine games shown. That's not even a game a week.

Actually, maybe that is all CBS SN could get right now. Stadium is a big partner but lest you forget that BeIN is taking 10 or so games that could be available to CBSSN.
Perhaps when the BeIn deal is up, CUSA or BeIN won't renew and those games then can be divided between CBS and Stadium.

You can say that again.

LOL...yeah don't know why it tripled posted.

(03-14-2018 05:02 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I dunno. The AAC has marketed themselves extremely well AND has produced on the gridiron and on the court. I'll bet they get an increase

Football is irrelevant. The AAC was solid this year by nobody knows who will step up next year from which conf? Roy Kramer types will NEVER increase access as that never been their MO. It’s all about segregation. What the AAC is doing right is hedging their bets by increasing their hoops which was already in a great place by adding Wichita State. Now they have them, Memphis, Cincy, & UCONN (though we all know they want out) and Houston who might try to stick around the Top 25. Hell even cheating SMU has a somewhat decent team now and then.

(03-14-2018 05:35 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:02 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I dunno. The AAC has marketed themselves extremely well AND has produced on the gridiron and on the court. I'll bet they get an increase

Football is irrelevant. The AAC was solid this year by nobody knows who will step up next year from which conf? Roy Kramer types will NEVER increase access as that never been their MO. It’s all about segregation. What the AAC is doing right is hedging their bets by increasing their hoops which was already in a great place by adding Wichita State. Now they have them, Memphis, Cincy, & UCONN (though we all know they want out) and Houston who might try to stick around the Top 25. Hell even cheating SMU has a somewhat decent team now and then.

Football irrelevant? It's what drive the bus.........

(03-14-2018 04:16 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  I don't even get cbssn

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Nobody does. It's garbage. I can at least watch it at my sports bar. But it's garbage. As is our tv deal, as is conference leadership, blah blah blah.

(03-14-2018 04:33 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Who the hell is negotiating this garbage on CUSA's behalf? Roy Kramer?

(03-14-2018 05:30 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:44 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:22 PM)sportdawg Wrote:  Wren Baker‏Verified account @wrenbakerFollowFollow
@wrenbaker

Replying to @dnadeau77
Yes, the other agreements are still place (beIN) and are also being negotiated. All in, revenue will be up substantially. I predict overall distribution will be up as well. Most importantly, unlike ESPN3 and ESPN+, we don't have to pay production costs which can be substantial

Didnt CUSA just give schools a bunch of money to upgrade our production capabilities? Some of our schools actually do a less than awful job at it these days. Those that can produce their own should have the option of getting those games on ESPN3 at least.

And you say revenue will be up substantially. I hope you're right, but I find it hard to believe FB and Stadium are going to pay our schools $500k to $1m a year for content. Anything less than $500k is nothing.

We'll know much better where we stand when the MW and AAC renegotiate. If those conferences get mostly relegated to these non broadcast sites and get less than $1million per school too then we'll know that the P5 separation is basically complete and can move forward with that knowledge.

Markets mean nothing, history means nothing, fan bases mean nothing, performance on the field means nothing. All that matters is the patch sewn on the jersey. The P5s, NCAA and their media shills are starving us of money, exposure and opportunity.

I see the MW get a downgrade and the aac getting a massive upgrade.

AAC has solid basketball going for them and that will be their lifesaver.

Houston and UCF winning Peach and Fiesta bowls sure hasn't hurt...

Rare moment of clarity for Old Noods here... Yes, we have been screwed into oblivion. It's not fair!!! They cheat us! They lie!
But what do I tell my kids every single day? Life is not fair. But today doesn't have to be your tomorrow.
We want better contracts? Win. Out. Of. Conference. Games. Just win them.
Want more exposure? Expose the seat of your pants to the bleachers every time the gates open.
Win out of conference, fill the arenas, and all the good stuff will follow.
I am very optimistic about C-USA basketball right now. It's growing.
Football is atrocious. Not the product (so much), but the fan support. It flat out sucks.
So, we get what we deserve in the big picture. Because there is no such thing as "DESERVE". Life isn't fair.
The powers that be are interested in MONEY. They only make money off of us if we can bring in millions of viewers and $millions in advertisers. We have to step it up and provide a better product (wins) and a more polished product (full arenas).
Then we will move up in the food chain.

(03-14-2018 03:00 PM)webster Wrote:  Does this mean the Sun Belt got a better deal? I don't necessarily enjoy seeing people get fired. But goodbye Judy!

Who wants to join SunBelt? We have 2 spots open

So ESPN owns every G5 but us. ESPN also owns all the bowls. I bet bowl affiliations will be very fun for us next time too.

Double the revenue of our current deal.
CBS and Stadium pay their own production costs (unlike games carried by ESPN3 - i.e. Sun Belt).
beIN deal still in place.
We received negligible money from ESPN under previous deal, and are still negotiating for them to carry games in future.

Beats playing Tuesday/Wednesday games and I don't have to pay anything to watch broadcasts on Stadium (unlike the new ESPN streaming service.)

I don't understand all the suicide threats. We improved ever so slightly.

(03-14-2018 06:59 PM)monarx Wrote:  So ESPN owns every G5 but us. ESPN also owns all the bowls. I bet bowl affiliations will be very fun for us next time too.

Bowl Season