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(03-15-2018 07:36 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 07:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Big 12 payout was $34m per school .... yeah, on death's door. 07-coffee3

The Ottoman Empire had a few lucrative years in the 19th century too.

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Right, and the Big 12 is like the Ottoman Empire ... how?

Remember, the Big 12 signed the deals that are now resulting in $34m a year payouts in 2011 and 2012, a time when it looked to be imploding. Times couldn't have been worse and yet they got paid big bucks anyway.

They also managed to get the Sugar Bowl to sign them for $40m a year, same as the SEC, its historic home conference.

Not too shabby for a conference at death's door. 07-coffee3
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LOL at these 20+ team conference ideas.
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(03-15-2018 06:21 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...426331002/

And people are convinced this league is going to collapse?

I’m not and never was.
The ACC will lose its FB schools before the big 12 does.
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I hope the Big 12 survives as is way past 2025. That will likely limit (but never end the never ending) future conference realignment talk/conjecture/rumors/fantasies.

As a fan of a school whose football program doesn't play in a conference, I want the Big 12 to survive long term to end all talk of a P4/16 member conference lineup with conference champs only eligible for the playoffs.

So, go Big 12 !!
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From NBC Sports:

Quote:The Big 12 still lags well behind the SEC. Most will, of course... expect the Big Ten to be a solid second in the pecking order, with the ACC likely to come in front of the Big 12 and the Pac-12 to be toward the bottom of the pack.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lion-mark/
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(03-15-2018 05:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From NBC Sports:

Quote:The Big 12 still lags well behind the SEC. Most will, of course... expect the Big Ten to be a solid second in the pecking order, with the ACC likely to come in front of the Big 12 and the Pac-12 to be toward the bottom of the pack.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lion-mark/

Nope.
The Big 10/SEC/Big12

PAC-because they have contract negotiations coming up in a few years.



ACC-stuck with ESPN in everything until 3535
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Big 12 expands to 14 with:
USC
UCLA
Arizona State
BYU

Everyone is happier all around.
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(03-15-2018 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From NBC Sports:

Quote:The Big 12 still lags well behind the SEC. Most will, of course... expect the Big Ten to be a solid second in the pecking order, with the ACC likely to come in front of the Big 12 and the Pac-12 to be toward the bottom of the pack.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lion-mark/

Nope.
The Big 10/SEC/Big12

PAC-because they have contract negotiations coming up in a few years.

ACC-stuck with ESPN in everything until 3535

From USA Today: Big XII Revenue for 2017 up more than 18%

Quote:The Big 12’s television revenue rose by more than $41 million in fiscal 2017 to $197 million. Conference spokesman Bob Burda said the increase was scheduled under the conference’s TV contracts, and that future increases will vary by year.
So TV revenue will NOT increase by $41M every year, but there's more...

Quote:In addition, for the second consecutive year, Burda said, the conference made a supplemental revenue distribution from its accumulated operating reserves to the schools. That totaled $10 million in fiscal 2017 after totaling $19.1 million in 2016, Burda said. This resulted in the conference showing an annual operating deficit for each year.
...part of the $371M wasn't revenue in the true sense, but rather, essentially money taken out of a savings account!

Q1: Are these guys even capable to reporting accurate financial numbers without inflating them somehow?

Q2: Did any of you guys actually READ the USA Today article? Those 2 statements really change the entire conclusion...
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(03-15-2018 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From NBC Sports:

Quote:The Big 12 still lags well behind the SEC. Most will, of course... expect the Big Ten to be a solid second in the pecking order, with the ACC likely to come in front of the Big 12 and the Pac-12 to be toward the bottom of the pack.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lion-mark/

Nope.
The Big 10/SEC/Big12

PAC-because they have contract negotiations coming up in a few years.

ACC-stuck with ESPN in everything until 3535

From USA Today: Big XII Revenue for 2017 up more than 18%

Quote:The Big 12’s television revenue rose by more than $41 million in fiscal 2017 to $197 million. Conference spokesman Bob Burda said the increase was scheduled under the conference’s TV contracts, and that future increases will vary by year.
So TV revenue will NOT increase by $41M every year, but there's more...

Quote:In addition, for the second consecutive year, Burda said, the conference made a supplemental revenue distribution from its accumulated operating reserves to the schools. That totaled $10 million in fiscal 2017 after totaling $19.1 million in 2016, Burda said. This resulted in the conference showing an annual operating deficit for each year.
...part of the $371M wasn't revenue in the true sense, but rather, essentially money taken out of a savings account!

Q1: Are these guys even capable to reporting accurate financial numbers without inflating them somehow?

Q2: Did any of you guys actually READ the USA Today article? Those 2 statements really change the entire conclusion...

So despite all that the big 12 is still ahead of the ACC. Correct?
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(03-15-2018 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From NBC Sports:

Quote:The Big 12 still lags well behind the SEC. Most will, of course... expect the Big Ten to be a solid second in the pecking order, with the ACC likely to come in front of the Big 12 and the Pac-12 to be toward the bottom of the pack.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lion-mark/

Nope.
The Big 10/SEC/Big12

PAC-because they have contract negotiations coming up in a few years.

ACC-stuck with ESPN in everything until 3535

From USA Today: Big XII Revenue for 2017 up more than 18%

Quote:The Big 12’s television revenue rose by more than $41 million in fiscal 2017 to $197 million. Conference spokesman Bob Burda said the increase was scheduled under the conference’s TV contracts, and that future increases will vary by year.
So TV revenue will NOT increase by $41M every year, but there's more...

Quote:In addition, for the second consecutive year, Burda said, the conference made a supplemental revenue distribution from its accumulated operating reserves to the schools. That totaled $10 million in fiscal 2017 after totaling $19.1 million in 2016, Burda said. This resulted in the conference showing an annual operating deficit for each year.
...part of the $371M wasn't revenue in the true sense, but rather, essentially money taken out of a savings account!

Q1: Are these guys even capable to reporting accurate financial numbers without inflating them somehow?

Q2: Did any of you guys actually READ the USA Today article? Those 2 statements really change the entire conclusion...

So despite all that the big 12 is still ahead of the ACC. Correct?

NBC says no... of course, they can always borrow another $10 or $20 million next year to boost "revenue".
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(03-15-2018 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Q2: Did any of you guys actually READ the USA Today article? Those 2 statements really change the entire conclusion...

I'm not sure how.

First, the $10m from what you call 'savings' is still conference money. Unless you can show that all conferences maintain savings accounts and that the Big 12 was thus doing something fiscally unusual with this disbursement, it's just disbursing money that could have been disbursed earlier. Also, the amount involved, $10m, is pretty trivial, as it means $1m per school. No conclusions are changed if the Big 12 disbursed $33.1m rather than $34.1m last year.

Second, most TV contracts from that time (early 2010s) were structured so as to generally escalate over the years. So even though the commissioner said payments would 'vary' going forward, it's a pretty good bet that 'variance' will be in a positive, not negative, direction.

Overall, these numbers seem to make it clear that the Big 12 is the solid #3 in per capita revenue, clearly ahead of the ACC and PAC, at least until they release their 2017 numbers.
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(03-15-2018 06:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Q2: Did any of you guys actually READ the USA Today article? Those 2 statements really change the entire conclusion...

I'm not sure how.

First, the $10m from what you call 'savings' is still conference money. Unless you can show that all conferences maintain savings accounts and that the Big 12 was thus doing something fiscally unusual with this disbursement, it's just disbursing money that could have been disbursed earlier. Also, the amount involved, $10m, is pretty trivial, as it means $1m per school. No conclusions are changed if the Big 12 disbursed $33.1m rather than $34.1m last year.

Second, most TV contracts from that time (early 2010s) were structured so as to generally escalate over the years. So even though the commissioner said payments would 'vary' going forward, it's a pretty good bet that 'variance' will be in a positive, not negative, direction.

Overall, these numbers seem to make it clear that the Big 12 is the solid #3 in per capita revenue, clearly ahead of the ACC and PAC, at least until they release their 2017 numbers.

That’s the way it is. The Big 12 is and has been a dominant conference compared to the ESPNACC
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And, remember, Big XII teams retain (and sell) their third-tier rights for a little more (or a lot in a few cases). :-)
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B-12 not going anywhere
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(03-15-2018 06:07 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 05:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From NBC Sports:


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...lion-mark/

Nope.
The Big 10/SEC/Big12

PAC-because they have contract negotiations coming up in a few years.

ACC-stuck with ESPN in everything until 3535

From USA Today: Big XII Revenue for 2017 up more than 18%

Quote:The Big 12’s television revenue rose by more than $41 million in fiscal 2017 to $197 million. Conference spokesman Bob Burda said the increase was scheduled under the conference’s TV contracts, and that future increases will vary by year.
So TV revenue will NOT increase by $41M every year, but there's more...

Quote:In addition, for the second consecutive year, Burda said, the conference made a supplemental revenue distribution from its accumulated operating reserves to the schools. That totaled $10 million in fiscal 2017 after totaling $19.1 million in 2016, Burda said. This resulted in the conference showing an annual operating deficit for each year.
...part of the $371M wasn't revenue in the true sense, but rather, essentially money taken out of a savings account!

Q1: Are these guys even capable to reporting accurate financial numbers without inflating them somehow?

Q2: Did any of you guys actually READ the USA Today article? Those 2 statements really change the entire conclusion...

So despite all that the big 12 is still ahead of the ACC. Correct?

NBC says no... of course, they can always borrow another $10 or $20 million next year to boost "revenue".
$10 million, so $1 million a school? And it was money that could have been distributed in earlier years.

Sorry, but the ACC is a lot further behind than $1 million.
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(03-15-2018 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So what's it going to be? I'm confused

1) The Big 12 is going to raid the PAC and steal AZ and AZ-State?

2) The Big 12 implodes the moment its GOR expires?

How about:

3) The Big 12 rolls along past 2025 as a power conference with the same membership.

I think mostly likely is seeing conferences team up on media deals, rather than taking members from other P5 conferences.
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(03-16-2018 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So what's it going to be? I'm confused

1) The Big 12 is going to raid the PAC and steal AZ and AZ-State?

2) The Big 12 implodes the moment its GOR expires?

How about:

3) The Big 12 rolls along past 2025 as a power conference with the same membership.

I think mostly likely is seeing conferences team up on media deals, rather than taking members from other P5 conferences.

Would the B10 or the SE be willing to team up with anyone? They are doing very well all by themselves. What about the ACC? Aren't they locked into until 2036?
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(03-16-2018 11:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So what's it going to be? I'm confused

1) The Big 12 is going to raid the PAC and steal AZ and AZ-State?

2) The Big 12 implodes the moment its GOR expires?

How about:

3) The Big 12 rolls along past 2025 as a power conference with the same membership.

I think mostly likely is seeing conferences team up on media deals, rather than taking members from other P5 conferences.

Would the B10 or the SE be willing to team up with anyone? They are doing very well all by themselves. What about the ACC? Aren't they locked into until 2036?

The SE. southeast conference? Don’t know what they are thinking
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(03-16-2018 11:28 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 11:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(03-15-2018 11:44 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So what's it going to be? I'm confused

1) The Big 12 is going to raid the PAC and steal AZ and AZ-State?

2) The Big 12 implodes the moment its GOR expires?

How about:

3) The Big 12 rolls along past 2025 as a power conference with the same membership.

I think mostly likely is seeing conferences team up on media deals, rather than taking members from other P5 conferences.

Would the B10 or the SE be willing to team up with anyone? They are doing very well all by themselves. What about the ACC? Aren't they locked into until 2036?

Pac 12 and Big 10 have teamed up before.
SEC and Big 12 are bound by the Sugar Bowl.
Maybe Pac 12 and Big 12 team up.

If Notre Dame is willing to go all in, there could be lots of combinations involving the ACC. That would give them a "renegotiate contract for free" card.

If it makes more money for everyone, it doesn't matter how long their contract goes.
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A three conference Big 12 deal with the ESPN "owned" conferences, the SEC and ACC could be a possibility.

We know that there is lots of talk about teaming up. Don't know if it would be valuable enough to interest the Big 10 and SEC, but it could.
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