Quote:MacLeod said C-USA will “continue pioneering fresh and innovative ways to deliver our diverse audience a multitude of viewing options on emerging platforms.”

Selig called Facebook “a huge potential audience.” And he said that a potentially overlooked part of the deal is that CBS and Stadium will bear production costs.

“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

I guess the SBC got a big number but apparently has to produce a million events.

Long term having the production capabilities in house instead of taking the easy money helps you though.

(03-15-2018 11:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

Quote:MacLeod said C-USA will “continue pioneering fresh and innovative ways to deliver our diverse audience a multitude of viewing options on emerging platforms.”

Selig called Facebook “a huge potential audience.” And he said that a potentially overlooked part of the deal is that CBS and Stadium will bear production costs.

“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

I guess the SBC got a big number but apparently has to produce a million events.

Long term having the production capabilities in house instead of taking the easy money helps you though.

I'm the rare Belt fan that doesn't particularly care for this new deal. For me, its about the duration of the deal. Its too long, for too little money. But I think that the production costs will be front loaded then will get cheaper as time goes on. Once the investment is made, its made.

There might also be some shifting of costs that the schools can do. For example, have the communications department buy certain equipment and use it much of the time for their academic programs. So from an ATHLETIC department perpsective, it might not be as expensive as you might think.

FWIW, I believe part of the deal in the creation of the ACC Network is the development of on campus production facilities by ACC members, with each member committing $5-10 million for such facilities.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html
https://scout.com/college/north-carolina...-110587896

(03-15-2018 11:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

Quote:MacLeod said C-USA will “continue pioneering fresh and innovative ways to deliver our diverse audience a multitude of viewing options on emerging platforms.”

Selig called Facebook “a huge potential audience.” And he said that a potentially overlooked part of the deal is that CBS and Stadium will bear production costs.

“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

I guess the SBC got a big number but apparently has to produce a million events.

Long term having the production capabilities in house instead of taking the easy money helps you though.

A lot of Sun Belt schools are already producing ESPN3 quality content on their own. Because of this, we already have the equipment and cost of production allocated in our budgets. Any added payout is just gravy for us. Meanwhile, CUSA doesn't have to produce the games that will be on Stadium/Facebook Live, but the rest of the games that won't be on TV or Stadium, they will have to produce themselves and put on CUSAtv. So it actually works out to be about the same thing.

(03-15-2018 11:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  ...the production costs will be front loaded then will get cheaper as time goes on. Once the investment is made, its made.

That's my understanding as well.

That comment is simply spin.

Sure CUSA pays $0 to produce 10 CBSSN games and 15 Stadium games but the roughly 60 remaining games in inventory either CUSA pays to telecast them or they don’t get shown.

Sun Belt pays $0 to produce 10 ESPN family telecasts and pays to produce the remaining 51 games in inventory.

I’ve paid $8.95 a month to watch a one camera baseball or basketball game and even two camera production with the radio announcers playing. I’d rather pay $4.99 to get ESPN production values.

The only time it will be an issue at AState is winter break and spring break. We normally don’t produce any ESPN3 content then.


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All MAC Football ESPN3 production costs are paid for by ESPN with ESPN supplied announcers
Basketball and other sports are paid for by the schools with school announcers.

Each MAC school paid approximately $2 million to $2.5 million to get their studios, trucks, and production equipment up and running like the SEC and ACC did accept my understanding is they paid about $5 million each.

The MAC then gets $10 million per year. The key is that the MAC gets all football (even ESPN3 games) production costs footed by ESPN. I don't believe SBC got that part of the deal and they only get $5 million per school. CUSA also gets $5 million per year but foot the bill for everything and still have CUSA.tv.

The other key is that the MAC saves at least $1.5 million per year in travel costs compared to SBC and CUSA. The MAC is now firmly ahead of CUSA and on par with MWC in the G5.

(03-16-2018 09:29 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  All MAC Football ESPN3 production costs are paid for by ESPN with ESPN supplied announcers
Basketball and other sports are paid for by the schools with school announcers.

Each MAC school paid approximately $2 million to $2.5 million to get their studios, trucks, and production equipment up and running like the SEC and ACC did accept my understanding is they paid about $5 million each.

The MAC then gets $10 million per year. The key is that the MAC gets all football (even ESPN3 games) production costs footed by ESPN. I don't believe SBC got that part of the deal and they only get $5 million per school. CUSA also gets $5 million per year but foot the bill for everything and still have CUSA.tv.

The other key is that the MAC saves at least $1.5 million per year in travel costs compared to SBC and CUSA. The MAC is now firmly ahead of CUSA and on par with MWC in the G5.

ESPN is paying for the production upgrades if needed at each Sun Belt school

The MAC is not on the hook with ESPN+ events like the SBC.

In the post linear future however I can see an ESPN+ regional package with B1G/MAC. MAC would provide a weekday package but would make a ton of money for it sharing space on the B1G channel.

Ditto for the PAC/MWC and maybe SEC/SBC. That is why I say the G5 is a good place to be. They won't have the cash to keep up on the football side but plenty enough on the basketball side while non-G5 conferences fall behind.

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(03-16-2018 10:04 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The MAC is not on the hook with ESPN+ events like the SBC.

In the post linear future however I can see an ESPN+ regional package with B1G/MAC. MAC would provide a weekday package but would make a ton of money for it sharing space on the B1G channel.

Yes, I suspect with Fox Sports Ohio, Fox Sports Detroit, and Fox Sports Midwest all transferring to ESPN, that the MAC will have ESPN3/ESPN+ games simulcast with linear games on the old Fox Sports Net channels. I think MAC games will also be on ESPN Plus.

All of those Fox Sports regional networks have some interesting content that is transferring to ESPN that will give them some interesting options to pare with ESPN Plus and ESPN3 to give them some regional packages and content to offer.

With Fox Sports Ohio, they will lose their Xavier Big East games that will go to FS1 and FS2 and retained by Fox and Dayton basketball will leave that channel too leaving programming holes to be filled with MAC games so I think regionally, the MAC will see an uptick in linear TV which will be great as Tier 2 content for the MAC.

Fox Sports Ohio = ESPN+ Ohio and will cover the 6 Ohio teams and Buffalo as it reaches into western NY
Fox Sports Detroit = ESPN+ Detroit and will cover the 3 Michigan teams
Fox Sports Midwest = ESPN+ Midwest and will cover Ball State and Northern Illinois.

Right now ESPN now holds 100% rights to ACC, AAC, MAC, and Sun Belt and the folks at ESPN are branching out their delivery methods.

I suspect ESPN3 as we know it goes away as soon as enough contracts expire to make it cheap to buy out any deals left.

This is similar to the MAC deal, where the paper value looks good, but when you subtract the costs of each school and the league in production, it amounts to rather small money. Schools are asked to look at it as an infomercial

(03-16-2018 01:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This is similar to the MAC deal, where the paper value looks good, but when you subtract the costs of each school and the league in production, it amounts to rather small money. Schools are asked to look at it as an infomercial

It's good for the consumer and the schools. If you have ever paid $9 to watch a single camera football broadcast with no on screen graphics, just a dude swinging the camera toward to scoreboard between plays you would know what I mean.

ESPN is unfair to the Sunbelt... they pinch pennies so their execs can snort coke non stop...

No.

(03-15-2018 11:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

Quote:MacLeod said C-USA will “continue pioneering fresh and innovative ways to deliver our diverse audience a multitude of viewing options on emerging platforms.”

Selig called Facebook “a huge potential audience.” And he said that a potentially overlooked part of the deal is that CBS and Stadium will bear production costs.

“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

I guess the SBC got a big number but apparently has to produce a million events.

Long term having the production capabilities in house instead of taking the easy money helps you though.

I assumed the comment was aimed at the MAC and its deal with ESPN.

Rumors are that the Sunbelt deal was for even less per year than the MAC, but similar in that they have to cover the costs of producing the games.

(03-15-2018 11:06 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

Quote:MacLeod said C-USA will “continue pioneering fresh and innovative ways to deliver our diverse audience a multitude of viewing options on emerging platforms.”

Selig called Facebook “a huge potential audience.” And he said that a potentially overlooked part of the deal is that CBS and Stadium will bear production costs.

“A league might say they have a $10 million deal with ESPN,” he said. “What they don’t tell you is $9 million is sent back to ESPN in production costs. So they actually have a $1 million deal with ESPN.”

https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...fcc22.html

I guess the SBC got a big number but apparently has to produce a million events.

Long term having the production capabilities in house instead of taking the easy money helps you though.

That was part of the ACC deal of having to get video production. When or if the AAC renews with ESPN, that will also be part of the deal. Just the way ESPN is doing cost savings.

(03-16-2018 10:46 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Right now ESPN now holds 100% rights to ACC, AAC, MAC, and Sun Belt and the folks at ESPN are branching out their delivery methods.

I suspect ESPN3 as we know it goes away as soon as enough contracts expire to make it cheap to buy out any deals left.

2020.

(03-16-2018 10:04 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  In the post linear future however I can see an ESPN+ regional package with B1G/MAC. MAC would provide a weekday package but would make a ton of money for it sharing space on the B1G channel.

This is what the MAC should have done in the first place when the B1G Network was starting to form. They should have approached them an asked for 5 million a School in exchange(as much as I hate it) for Midweek inventory.

(03-17-2018 06:32 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:04 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  In the post linear future however I can see an ESPN+ regional package with B1G/MAC. MAC would provide a weekday package but would make a ton of money for it sharing space on the B1G channel.

This is what the MAC should have done in the first place when the B1G Network was starting to form. They should have approached them an asked for 5 million a School in exchange(as much as I hate it) for Midweek inventory.

Interestingly---Ive wondered if buying a bunch of cheap AAC inventory might not be an innovative way to get Pac-12 stronger distribution across the eastern half of the country. It would also give them noon Eastern time--(basically 9AM PT) inventory which they dont have. It would have to be third tier stuff because I cant see the Pac12 making much of a bid. But it might have been worth it to them to pay more for it than ESPN-3 would have.