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All-time NCAA tournament bids (B1G, ACC, SEC, PAC)
Note: This tabulation includes bids earned by teams that were in the conference at the time the bids were earned.

So, for example, the SEC does not get any credit for Missouri tournament bids earned before 2012, likewise, the B1G does not get credit for Maryland bids before 2012, and furthermore those pre-2012 Maryland bids do credit to the ACC.

The Big 12 was too convoluted so left them out, and the Big East just too young.

B1G ...... 263
ACC ...... 254
SEC ...... 222
PAC ...... 203
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RE: All-time NCAA tournament bids (B1G, ACC, SEC, PAC)
Bids are nice, but ultimately too subjective... here are conference WINS since 1985 (when the tournament expanded to 64 and took its current form):

ACC ........ 307
Big East ... 278
Big Ten .... 270
SEC ........ 223
Pac-10/12 ... 141+26=167

see also: http://accbasketballrx.blogspot.com/2018...-1985.html
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(03-16-2018 06:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Note: This tabulation includes bids earned by teams that were in the conference at the time the bids were earned.

So, for example, the SEC does not get any credit for Missouri tournament bids earned before 2012, likewise, the B1G does not get credit for Maryland bids before 2012, and furthermore those pre-2012 Maryland bids do credit to the ACC.

The Big 12 was too convoluted so left them out, and the Big East just too young.

B1G ...... 263
ACC ...... 254
SEC ...... 222
PAC ...... 203

UMD joined the Big Ten in 2014.
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(03-16-2018 08:05 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 06:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Note: This tabulation includes bids earned by teams that were in the conference at the time the bids were earned.

So, for example, the SEC does not get any credit for Missouri tournament bids earned before 2012, likewise, the B1G does not get credit for Maryland bids before 2012, and furthermore those pre-2012 Maryland bids do credit to the ACC.

The Big 12 was too convoluted so left them out, and the Big East just too young.

B1G ...... 263
ACC ...... 254
SEC ...... 222
PAC ...... 203

UMD joined the Big Ten in 2014.

IIRC, Terps didn't make the big dance in 2013 anyway...
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Who cares what conference a school used to be in. If MD is in the Big Ten now, the Big Ten should get credit for all of MD's tourney bids and wins in all of its history.
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RE: All-time NCAA tournament bids (B1G, ACC, SEC, PAC)
(03-16-2018 07:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Bids are nice, but ultimately too subjective... here are conference WINS since 1985 (when the tournament expanded to 64 and took its current form):

ACC ........ 307
Big East ... 278
Big Ten .... 270
SEC ........ 223
Pac-10/12 ... 141+26=167

see also: http://accbasketballrx.blogspot.com/2018...-1985.html

And sometimes conference wins can be too subjective too. Especially when the overwhelming majority of wins come from just two teams. If the two top teams from each conference are removed from the equation, you get a much clearer picture of the depth of each conference.
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(03-16-2018 08:55 AM)goofus Wrote:  Who cares what conference a school used to be in. If MD is in the Big Ten now, the Big Ten should get credit for all of MD's tourney bids and wins in all of its history.

Srsly?
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(03-16-2018 07:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Bids are nice, but ultimately too subjective... here are conference WINS since 1985 (when the tournament expanded to 64 and took its current form):

ACC ........ 307
Big East ... 278
Big Ten .... 270
SEC ........ 223
Pac-10/12 ... 141+26=167

Bids and wins are two separate things so not comparable in any way. A discussion of wins belongs in another thread dedicated to that.

But FWIW, wins have a subjective aspects as well. E.g., why did VT lose and Duke win yesterday? Possibly because VT was seeded 9th so had to play a tougher opponent, whereas Duke was seeded #2 so got to play an incredibly easy opponent.

If we are going to count wins, we should adjust for seedings.

Also, curious, is this tally adjusted for the things i mentioned? E.g., the ACC shouldn't get credit for Syracuse wins before 2013, the B1G shouldn't get credit for Maryland wins before 2014, etc.
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(03-16-2018 08:55 AM)goofus Wrote:  Who cares what conference a school used to be in. If MD is in the Big Ten now, the Big Ten should get credit for all of MD's tourney bids and wins in all of its history.

That makes no sense, because the point isn't how strong the B1G is today, it's how strong it has been over its history, and Maryland wasn't part of the B1G for much of its history.

My adjustment is better, because it gives credit where it is due.
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RE: All-time NCAA tournament bids (B1G, ACC, SEC, PAC)
(03-16-2018 11:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 08:55 AM)goofus Wrote:  Who cares what conference a school used to be in. If MD is in the Big Ten now, the Big Ten should get credit for all of MD's tourney bids and wins in all of its history.

That makes no sense, because the point isn't how strong the B1G is today, it's how strong it has been over its history, and Maryland wasn't part of the B1G for much of its history.

My adjustment is better, because it gives credit where it is due.

i can see both ways. I'd want to see how a conference is right now with their current membership. If North Carolina moved to the SEC, does it make much sense to say the ACC is strong based off of what UNC did years ago? I don't think so. Or using Wichita, what they have done in the past isn't helping the MVC out at all going forward. I'd want to see it based on how the conference is currently constructed.

Like looking at football, what TCU did in the MWC isn't exactly helping the MWC out in any fashion right now.
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(03-16-2018 06:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Note: This tabulation includes bids earned by teams that were in the conference at the time the bids were earned.

So, for example, the SEC does not get any credit for Missouri tournament bids earned before 2012, likewise, the B1G does not get credit for Maryland bids before 2012, and furthermore those pre-2012 Maryland bids do credit to the ACC.

The Big 12 was too convoluted so left them out, and the Big East just too young.

B1G ...... 263
ACC ...... 254
SEC ...... 222
PAC ...... 203

The Big East, in its many iterations, has a total of 220.
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I believe the Big East allowed Rutgers to carry their NCAA credits with them to the Big Ten, but I could be wrong...

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(03-16-2018 03:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I believe the Big East allowed Rutgers to carry their NCAA credits with them to the Big Ten, but I could be wrong...

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(03-16-2018 11:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 11:24 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 08:55 AM)goofus Wrote:  Who cares what conference a school used to be in. If MD is in the Big Ten now, the Big Ten should get credit for all of MD's tourney bids and wins in all of its history.

That makes no sense, because the point isn't how strong the B1G is today, it's how strong it has been over its history, and Maryland wasn't part of the B1G for much of its history.

My adjustment is better, because it gives credit where it is due.

i can see both ways. I'd want to see how a conference is right now with their current membership. If North Carolina moved to the SEC, does it make much sense to say the ACC is strong based off of what UNC did years ago? I don't think so. Or using Wichita, what they have done in the past isn't helping the MVC out at all going forward. I'd want to see it based on how the conference is currently constructed.

Like looking at football, what TCU did in the MWC isn't exactly helping the MWC out in any fashion right now.

I agree with you, if the issue is "how strong is a conference right now"?

But, that's not the issue being addressed by my original post. It's just how strong the conference has been over its entire history.
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(03-16-2018 12:05 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-16-2018 06:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Note: This tabulation includes bids earned by teams that were in the conference at the time the bids were earned.

So, for example, the SEC does not get any credit for Missouri tournament bids earned before 2012, likewise, the B1G does not get credit for Maryland bids before 2012, and furthermore those pre-2012 Maryland bids do credit to the ACC.

The Big 12 was too convoluted so left them out, and the Big East just too young.

B1G ...... 263
ACC ...... 254
SEC ...... 222
PAC ...... 203

The Big East, in its many iterations, has a total of 220.

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(03-16-2018 03:20 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I believe the Big East allowed Rutgers to carry their NCAA credits with them to the Big Ten, but I could be wrong...

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I usually have a bias against ACC guys, (unless we somehow get in then ACC for life) (and not saying your an "ACC guy") but that is good stuff.
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Wikipedia has all the major conference team appearances:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...conference

1) 390 ACC (49 UNC, 42 L'ville & Duke)
2) 302 B1G (39 IU)
3) 277 SEC (57 UK)
4) 253 B12 (47 KU)
5) 251 P12 (50 UCLA)
6) 248 BE (38 Villanova)
7) 198 AAC (33 UConn, 32 Temple & Cincy)
8) 151 A10 (21 St. Joe's)
9) 120 MWC (20 USU & UNLV) // with Gonzaga 136
10) 119 WCC (29 BYU, 21 Gonzaga) // without Gozaga 98
11) 113 CUSA (23 WKU)

75 Ivy (25 Princeton, 24 Penn)
73 MAC (17 Miami U, 13 Ohio)
66 MVC (10 SIU)
55 Patriot (13 Holy Cross)
54 Big Sky (16 Weber St) // without UND 53
53 OVC (16 Murray State)
49 MAAC (13 Iona)
49 SBC (10 ULL)
43 SoCon (11 Chattanooga)
39 CAA (8 Northeastern)
38 SWAC (9 Southern)
37 MEAC (10 NC A&T)
36 WAC (24 NMSU, 12 Seattle)
30 NEC (8 RMU)
28 Horizon (6 UDM)
27 Big West (9 Long Beach St)
28 SLC (6 Lamar)
22 Big South (10 Winthrop)
15 AEC (6 Vermont)
13 Summit (5 ORU & South Dakota St) // with UND 14
10 ASUN (10 Jacksonville)

33 Schools not in D-I

By # of bids/schools in Conferences:

1) 26.00 ACC
2) 25.30 B12
3) 24.80 BE
4) 21.57 B1G
5) 20.92 P12
6) 19.97 SEC
7) 16.50 AAC
8) 11.90 WCC // without Gonzaga = 10.88
9) 10.91 MWC // with Gonzaga = 11.33
10) 10.79 A10
11) 9.38 Ivy
12) 8.07 CUSA
13) 6.60 MVC
14) 5.50 Patriot
15) 5.21 MAC

Everyone else below 5 per current member school
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RE: All-time NCAA tournament bids (B1G, ACC, SEC, PAC)
Here's the full tally of bids based on membership at the time. Data culled from: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/

Ind: 276
Big Ten: 260
ACC: 238
Big East: 220
SEC: 220
Pac-12: 198
Big 12: 125
A-10: 111.5
Big 8: 105
MVC: 103
WAC: 95
WCC: 85
SWC: 78
Southern: 72
Ivy: 71.5
MAC: 71
OVC: 65
Big West: 60
Sun Belt: 57
CUSA: 55
Big Sky: 51
MWC: 47
Horizon: 46
CAA: 45
Metro: 44
Southland: 43
AEC: 39
NEC: 39
A-Sun: 38
SWAC: 38
MAAC: 37
MEAC: 37
Summit: 34
Big South: 27
Patriot: 27
MSAC: 23
ECC: 17
Mid-Atl: 16
AAC: 15
Yankee: 15
Metro NY: 14
GMWC: 13
BIAA: 12
NJNY7: 4
ASC: 3
WNY3: 3

Conferences are listed under their most recent name. Any questions, let me know.

PS: Rutgers is listed as a member of both the A-10 and NJNY7 for 1978-79, and Princeton is listed as a member of both the Ivy and NJNY7 for 1976-77. So I split the bids between the conferences (hence the ".5"s).
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(03-19-2018 05:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Here's the full tally of bids based on membership at the time. Data culled from: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/

Good work.

At first glance, it seems weird that a relatively new conference like the Big East could have roughly the same number of bids as other Power conferences that have been around for twice as long or more, but we have to remember that it wasn't until 5 years before the Big East came into being that the tournament was opened up to "at large" bids in a serious way, before then, conferences would get only a single bid.
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(03-19-2018 06:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-19-2018 05:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Here's the full tally of bids based on membership at the time. Data culled from: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/

Good work.

At first glance, it seems weird that a relatively new conference like the Big East could have roughly the same number of bids as other Power conferences that have been around for twice as long or more, but we have to remember that it wasn't until 5 years before the Big East came into being that the tournament was opened up to "at large" bids in a serious way, before then, conferences would get only a single bid.

I do think it's a bit weird that Big East (2014-Present) gets to keep the bids from Big East (1979-2013) but The American doesn't. Both conferences claim May 19th, 1979 as their founding date, ya know? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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