(03-25-2018 07:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 12:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Understandable, however every team in the Valley has been an at-large candidate in recent years. If you were a random person on the street I'd understand more but you're a moderator on a college sports message board. Not that you should know everything about college sports or even college football which I'm sure you watch most but it would seem you'd have a casual interest in at least college basketball and know of what the Valley has done in recent decades.

Oh, so because Im a mod on this board, you expect me to know all the bb teams in every conference? Get outta here with that nonsense. The MVC is just not a high profile conference.

A bunch of my buddies just took one of our friends, who is getting married in a couple weeks, out to eat. It was 13 of us at the table. When we were watching the tourney at the sports grill I asked them which was their favorite MVC team. Only 3 of them had even heard of the MVC. None of them could name a single team from the league. There was one Duke fan, one Georgetown fan, (the guy getting married) and one Michigan fan. The rest were Syracuse fans. They did know of Wichita and Loyola and Northern IOWA. We are all rooting for Loyola to win it all.

I don't expect you to know what conference Mercer or Fairleigh Dickinson is in, especially given your probable lean toward football but I would expect you to pop your TV on every March to watch conference tournaments and the NCAA Tournament with at least a casual interest. You may also do an office pool. Even if you don't care for basketball, the boards you moderate may have threads you watch over talking about it.

And if you don't know what conference Wichita State was in last year, I call BS. Even if I'm oversimplying, I don't think your knowledge of what team is in what conference ends with the most high profile conferences.

And you just contradicted yourself. Apparently, some of your 13 friends knew of at least one Valley team and of a recent Valley team not counting Loyola since they just recently joined and became a story nationally.

Finally, I'm calling BS on your last story. I think you made it up just now to try and make me look ignorant and then didn't even do a good job of it since you contradicted yourself.

(03-25-2018 07:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 04:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 02:23 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Oh stop it with the sarcasm, anyone whose followed college basketball over the last 15 years knows full well about the Missouri Valley ....

Nope. MVC might as well be the SoCon to most.

Or at least to so-called AAC fans who sound more like so-called P5 homers. You're a Georgetown fan so I guess you lean toward that more than USF.

If you think the MVC is similar to the the SoCon, you're not worth having a conversation with. Aside from Stephen Curry, now a decade ago, when's the last time they sent a team to the Sweet 16, Chattanooga.

You keep missing the point: Everyone agrees that in terms of quality and results on the court, the MVC has it all over the SoCon.

The issue is conference identity awareness in the collective mind of the typical college hoops fan. And on that point, they are similarly obscure, even if it offends your sense of justice.

You're wrong. Just because you see it that way, doesn't mean everyone or even the majority see it that way. Again, anyone who has even a casual awareness of college basketball knows about the Valley and what the teams, both members now and of recent vintage, have done. Their title game is even on basic TV and not cable.

Not that what I'm saying really matters, as you have your mind made up which is fine. But you don't speak for everyone, so don't go off saying most people feel like you.

No matter how much you say this, awareness of "the Valley" isn't appreciably different from SoCon.

(03-25-2018 06:49 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 09:48 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  And there have been some of you this year saying that the Big 12 was overrated in basketball. Yeah right.

Suddenly, three of the four Final 4 spots are taken, and the Big 12 and ACC are still frozen out.

If Duke beats Kansas, the Big 12 will go from being Sweet 16 heroes to Elite 8 duds.

And how did that work out?

Kansas squeezed it out in a thriller.

(03-25-2018 08:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No matter how much you say this, awareness of "the Valley" isn't appreciably different from SoCon.

Because you say so. If you're a casual fan of 10 years in college basketball, you know who Northern Iowa is. You've also seen countless MVC title games featuring them, Wichita State, Creighton and probably even remember when SIU was really good,

You're a pretty big follower of college basketball based on your posts on this website, so please don't try and BS me about you not knowing much about the Valley. That said, I may have been too harsh about you not knowing about what conference Loyola was in only because they recently became a Valley team and don't seem like one the way UNI and formerly Wichita and Creighton did. So I'll give you a pass.

Conversation over.

(03-25-2018 08:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 07:50 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 12:18 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Understandable, however every team in the Valley has been an at-large candidate in recent years. If you were a random person on the street I'd understand more but you're a moderator on a college sports message board. Not that you should know everything about college sports or even college football which I'm sure you watch most but it would seem you'd have a casual interest in at least college basketball and know of what the Valley has done in recent decades.

Oh, so because Im a mod on this board, you expect me to know all the bb teams in every conference? Get outta here with that nonsense. The MVC is just not a high profile conference.

A bunch of my buddies just took one of our friends, who is getting married in a couple weeks, out to eat. It was 13 of us at the table. When we were watching the tourney at the sports grill I asked them which was their favorite MVC team. Only 3 of them had even heard of the MVC. None of them could name a single team from the league. There was one Duke fan, one Georgetown fan, (the guy getting married) and one Michigan fan. The rest were Syracuse fans. They did know of Wichita and Loyola and Northern IOWA. We are all rooting for Loyola to win it all.

I don't expect you to know what conference Mercer or Fairleigh Dickinson is in, especially given your probable lean toward football but I would expect you to pop your TV on every March to watch conference tournaments and the NCAA Tournament with at least a casual interest. You may also do an office pool. Even if you don't care for basketball, the boards you moderate may have threads you watch over talking about it.

And if you don't know what conference Wichita State was in last year, I call BS. Even if I'm oversimplying, I don't think your knowledge of what team is in what conference ends with the most high profile conferences.

And you just contradicted yourself. Apparently, some of your 13 friends knew of at least one Valley team and of a recent Valley team not counting Loyola since they just recently joined and became a story nationally.

Finally, I'm calling BS on your last story. I think you made it up just now to try and make me look ignorant and then didn't even do a good job of it since you contradicted yourself.

You can call BS as much as you want. Just because they heard of the teams in the Misouri Valley doesnt mean that they knew the teams were in that conference. Not until after we discussed this very conversation. There is no reason for me to make anything up. I dont need to win the internet that bad. I was actually trying to gauge the knowlege level of casual and "moderate" bb fans since this conversation started last night. When I asked them about Wichita and Northern Iowa, they knew those teams, especially Wichita. And it was as I figured. And I still stand by my original point. Regarding you thinking that you look ignorant, well those are your feelings. But Im done going back and forth. You are wrong about the profile of the MVC. You can have the last word as you usually do when folks get tired of sparring back and forth with you.

If you paid attention to college basketball over the last couple decades and don't know who half the Valley teams are not including Wichita and Creighton, then you have a case of big conference bias or at least are at least are just a little too boxed in. We're talking about teams that have made Sweet 16's, Final Fours and had top 4 seeds, some within the last 5-6 years.

(03-25-2018 08:59 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No matter how much you say this, awareness of "the Valley" isn't appreciably different from SoCon.

Because you say so.

... From which point, you regurgitate your wrong position, which is supported by nothing more than you saying so. Amazing.

(03-25-2018 09:34 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:26 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Finally, I'm calling BS on your last story. I think you made it up just now to try and make me look ignorant and then didn't even do a good job of it since you contradicted yourself.

You can call BS as much as you want. Just because they heard of the teams in the Misouri Valley doesnt mean that they knew the teams were in that conference.

That's the part he's never going to get.

(03-25-2018 10:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:59 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No matter how much you say this, awareness of "the Valley" isn't appreciably different from SoCon.

Because you say so.

... From which point, you regurgitate your wrong position, which is supported by nothing more than you saying so. Amazing.

Then how does your point override mine? You want to believe it because it's your PoV. The Valley, of course is not as notable as the ACC or even the AAC but has a level of casual fan awareness.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

(03-26-2018 12:19 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 10:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:59 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 08:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  No matter how much you say this, awareness of "the Valley" isn't appreciably different from SoCon.

Because you say so.

... From which point, you regurgitate your wrong position, which is supported by nothing more than you saying so. Amazing.

Then how does your point override mine? You want to believe it because it's your PoV. The Valley, of course is not as notable as the ACC or even the AAC but has a level of casual fan awareness.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

That's been apparent from the start of this 5-page hijacking of the tournament discussion thread. If anything though, the burden of proof is on you, because you raised the issue of how well known 'the valley' is to hoops fans.

All I did was indicate a lack of awareness of what conference LoC belongs to. You decided to home in on that comment and run with it.

What, I've had others back me up as you did as well. I'd say it was a draw at worse, which is why it's time to move on from this debate.

(03-25-2018 06:54 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The officials tried their best to rob Duke throughout overtime and I'm usually the last to comment on shoddy officiating.

LOL - if it wasn't for Duke favoritism, the game wouldn't have gone to OT, but Kansass would have won in regulation.

15 of 36 at-larges, and 17 of 68 total bids went to ACC and SEC. None made it to Final Four

All of the Final Four were Auto-bids