Big East commissioner Ackerman was making her case for "two or none" on ESPN radio today. She wants to go from one and done to a system where a kid coming out of high school could go straight to the NBA, but if they choose college, they would have to play two years of college hoops before being draft eligible.

I like it, as it allows the true studs like a Lebron to avoid the charade of one year in college, while also giving college teams more stability.

But it will come down to what the NBA and its union want.

I could get behind that

(03-25-2018 05:17 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I could get behind that

Similar to baseball.

It makes too much sense, which means the NCAA will find a way to not implement it.

(03-25-2018 06:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It makes too much sense, which means the NCAA will find a way to not implement it.

It's the NBA who has to implement it and not the NCAA

(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It makes too much sense, which means the NCAA will find a way to not implement it.

It's the NBA who has to implement it and not the NCAA

The NBA just might like this. Not sure, but I'm not seeing a reason for them to automatically reject it.

Inertia might be the biggest reason, as it would mean ironing out new understandings with the union.

(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It makes too much sense, which means the NCAA will find a way to not implement it.

It's the NBA who has to implement it and not the NCAA

Yea that's the thing - it has to be an NBA rule. The NCAA has no way to force a kid to stay for two years if he's being offered a contract after one outside of contracts that'd have AWFUL optics in the public eye.

(03-25-2018 06:54 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It makes too much sense, which means the NCAA will find a way to not implement it.

It's the NBA who has to implement it and not the NCAA

Yea that's the thing - it has to be an NBA rule. The NCAA has no way to force a kid to stay for two years if he's being offered a contract after one outside of contracts that'd have AWFUL optics in the public eye.

Schools could garnish former players' NBA wages to recoup tuition, room, board, and any cost of attendance payments.

I'd rather see a system where schools offer 1, 2, 3, or 4 year scholarships. If a kid on a 4-year scholarship wants to buy out the contract and go to the NBA or even another school, he can. If he only wants to commit to one year in the hopes of going pro, he can. If the kid is marginal and only wants to risk a 1 or 2 year scholarship they can. Once the contract/scholarship is up, the athlete is free to go anywhere he chooses. Some schools may add a clause that says the kid can't go to another conference school.

(03-25-2018 07:20 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:54 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)tribe_pride Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 06:20 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  It makes too much sense, which means the NCAA will find a way to not implement it.

It's the NBA who has to implement it and not the NCAA

Yea that's the thing - it has to be an NBA rule. The NCAA has no way to force a kid to stay for two years if he's being offered a contract after one outside of contracts that'd have AWFUL optics in the public eye.

Schools could garnish former players' NBA wages to recoup tuition, room, board, and any cost of attendance payments.

This is exactly what I mean by terrible optics. As if the indentured servitude arguments didn't get made often enough, you're going to take not paying the players to the next level and actually charge them for playing on the team if they find a way to escape before their term of service is up?

Go to the NBA whenever you want. You don’t get drafted and don’t hire an agent, you can return to college per NCAA rules.

The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

(03-25-2018 07:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

I have a hard time seeing college football going with this. The football programs put too much money into these athletes while the NFL does not want to make waves.

The ball is in the NBA's court on this. They either change the CBA to allow it or they don't the NCAA can ask but they have no ability to make it happen.

(03-25-2018 08:53 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 07:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

I have a hard time seeing college football going with this. The football programs put too much money into these athletes while the NFL does not want to make waves.

For football, the only thing the NCAA has to do is to permit players who haven't used all of their years of eligibility to return to college football after the NFL draft, if they want to, as long as they didn't sign a pro contract.

Whether the NFL rules make the players draft eligible after HS or after 1, 2, or 3 years of college is up to the NFL. Colleges have no say in that part of it.

(03-25-2018 09:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The ball is in the NBA's court on this. They either change the CBA to allow it or they don't the NCAA can ask but they have no ability to make it happen.

This. Why the NCAA sits back and allows themselves to be hammered about this situation as if it is of their own making is absurd.

The main reason behind the "one-and-done" rule was because the NBA did not have a true minor league system that would allow them to develop and train future players. With the rise of the G-League, that reasoning may not hold up as well it originally did.

(03-25-2018 07:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

Which entity is it that requires players to declare for the draft - the NCAA or the NBA? If it's the former, your suggestion makes perfect sense. If it's the latter, maybe it's time for some athlete to challenge the one and done rule by citing the availability of the G League as an alternative to college.

(03-27-2018 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 07:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

Which entity is it that requires players to declare for the draft - the NCAA or the NBA? If it's the former, your suggestion makes perfect sense. If it's the latter, maybe it's time for some athlete to challenge the one and done rule by citing the availability of the G League as an alternative to college.

The NCAA doesn't require players to declare they're in the NBA draft, but it does require them to either (a) give up their eligibility or (b) not sign with any agent or sponsor and take their name out of the draft before the draft to regain eligibility.

Basketball players should be able to go through the draft, talk to teams, even negotiate contract terms -- like baseball players -- and, if they choose, decline to sign with the pro team and return to college basketball.

(03-27-2018 01:42 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 01:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 07:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The NCAA would need to permit all players who graduated high school to go to college and play college ball, even after the NBA draft, as long as they don't sign a pro contract.

Let the players see where, or if, they get drafted, and if they don't get drafted, or don't like the team that drafted them, or don't like the money offered, they can go to college. That's the option that baseball players have, and the NCAA should give that option to athletes in basketball and every other sport as well.

Which entity is it that requires players to declare for the draft - the NCAA or the NBA? If it's the former, your suggestion makes perfect sense. If it's the latter, maybe it's time for some athlete to challenge the one and done rule by citing the availability of the G League as an alternative to college.

The NCAA doesn't require players to declare they're in the NBA draft, but it does require them to either (a) give up their eligibility or (b) not sign with any agent or sponsor and take their name out of the draft before the draft to regain eligibility.

Basketball players should be able to go through the draft, talk to teams, even negotiate contract terms -- like baseball players -- and, if they choose, decline to sign with the pro team and return to college basketball.

With the rookie salary scale for drafted players, not sure how much negotiating is possible. Are signing bonuses covered by the collective bargaining agreement as well?