(03-27-2018 11:17 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:58 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

The people are demanding the Bitcoin bowl.

Attendance would fluctuate 2k an hour...

I chuckled

(03-28-2018 08:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Bowl has the worst date possible for out-of-area teams (Dec 26th...which means many that want to attend have to travel on Christmas Day), plus weather can and is COLD in Dallas....and playing in a huge 92,000 seat old stadium....that just means terrible environment most years.

Last year's game between two P5 teams (Utah vs WVU) drew an announced crowd of 20,000 but actual gate crowd was just over 9,000...(looks pathetic in a 92,000 seat stadium).

December 26 is a horrible date for a bowl game. Even though there were two P5 teams involved, they weren't exactly great choices. Utah doesn't travel well outside of the West. I doubt WVU travels well outside of its region either.

Even with the lame date, I'm sure the bowl would grab much better attendance if it was an AAC v. B12 matchup. Imagine, Kansas St. v. Houston or Texas Tech v. Navy or even Army v. SMU.

(03-28-2018 10:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 08:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Bowl has the worst date possible for out-of-area teams (Dec 26th...which means many that want to attend have to travel on Christmas Day), plus weather can and is COLD in Dallas....and playing in a huge 92,000 seat old stadium....that just means terrible environment most years.

Last year's game between two P5 teams (Utah vs WVU) drew an announced crowd of 20,000 but actual gate crowd was just over 9,000...(looks pathetic in a 92,000 seat stadium).

December 26 is a horrible date for a bowl game. Even though there were two P5 teams involved, they weren't exactly great choices. Utah doesn't travel well outside of the West. I doubt WVU travels well outside of its region either.

Even with the lame date, I'm sure the bowl would grab much better attendance if it was an AAC v. B12 matchup. Imagine, Kansas St. v. Houston or Texas Tech v. Navy or even Army v. SMU.

WVU travels very well. Dec 26th is a waste of time though. Nobody is going to leave on Christmas for a lower end bowl. Got to move this bowl date.

PAC-12 teams are not going to travel well to Dallas. The only CUSA team that they should ever have in rotation is North Texas, but they probably dont get too many hotel reservations when that happens. Part of this bowls problem is that they have got stuck with CUSA and PAC, and do well do get 20K in the stands when that happens.

The AAC makes a lot of sense due to the footprint and lack of decent bowls for the top teams already.

They may have better luck with a B12/SEC alternating rotation versus the AAC and get rid of the PAC altogether.

(03-28-2018 10:43 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 10:40 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 08:24 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Bowl has the worst date possible for out-of-area teams (Dec 26th...which means many that want to attend have to travel on Christmas Day), plus weather can and is COLD in Dallas....and playing in a huge 92,000 seat old stadium....that just means terrible environment most years.

Last year's game between two P5 teams (Utah vs WVU) drew an announced crowd of 20,000 but actual gate crowd was just over 9,000...(looks pathetic in a 92,000 seat stadium).

December 26 is a horrible date for a bowl game. Even though there were two P5 teams involved, they weren't exactly great choices. Utah doesn't travel well outside of the West. I doubt WVU travels well outside of its region either.

Even with the lame date, I'm sure the bowl would grab much better attendance if it was an AAC v. B12 matchup. Imagine, Kansas St. v. Houston or Texas Tech v. Navy or even Army v. SMU.

WVU travels very well. Dec 26th is a waste of time though. Nobody is going to leave on Christmas for a lower end bowl. Got to move this bowl date.

Maybe decision makers would take that into consideration, but I doubt it. At face value, they brought in two decent teams with Utah and WVU, and drew 20k. Getting them to agree to feature one of our teams would be a tough sell.

Even if you use a local-ish team, SMU drew 14k in the Frisco Bowl last year. Gotta get more bowl game participation from our own fans instead of relying on the other team to bring them in.

Wish Pirates could make a stupid bowl game, because we do actually travel well. We drew 50% more fans in our Hawaii Bowl appearance than Houston, 50k-60k in Liberty Bowl appearances (and we aren't the local team), 38k in the Military Bowl, 48k in New Orleans Bowl, 20k in Beef O' Brady's (OK Fine), and 30k in Birmingham. Hawaii would be a tough game to make, otherwise, I'm making the trip, even to the Bahamas.

(03-28-2018 11:21 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  PAC-12 teams are not going to travel well to Dallas. The only CUSA team that they should ever have in rotation is North Texas, but they probably dont get too many hotel reservations when that happens. Part of this bowls problem is that they have got stuck with CUSA and PAC, and do well do get 20K in the stands when that happens.

The AAC makes a lot of sense due to the footprint and lack of decent bowls for the top teams already.

They may have better luck with a B12/SEC alternating rotation versus the AAC and get rid of the PAC altogether.

I dont think the Pac12 is actually in that rotation. They were an emergency backup plan.

(03-28-2018 11:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 11:21 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  PAC-12 teams are not going to travel well to Dallas. The only CUSA team that they should ever have in rotation is North Texas, but they probably dont get too many hotel reservations when that happens. Part of this bowls problem is that they have got stuck with CUSA and PAC, and do well do get 20K in the stands when that happens.

The AAC makes a lot of sense due to the footprint and lack of decent bowls for the top teams already.

They may have better luck with a B12/SEC alternating rotation versus the AAC and get rid of the PAC altogether.

I dont think the Pac12 is actually in that rotation. They were an emergency backup plan.

yea, looks like the PAC was for the first 4 years, and B12/B10 for the next 6. Problem was that during the past 3 years, they still ended up with a PAC team twice, and an independent, due to the B10/B12 not having enough teams. Last year they had a PAC vs B12, but moved the date to the day after xmas, and had one of the worst attended bowls ever.

Aresco tried to get the PAC to sign on to the Miami bowl. Instead, they opted to put their #8 in the ESPN bowl pool. They'll always get matched up against a P5 if one is available.

(03-28-2018 12:08 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Aresco tried to get the PAC to sign on to the Miami bowl. Instead, they opted to put their #8 in the ESPN bowl pool. They'll always get matched up against a P5 if one is available.

Welllll.. the Miami Bowl payout was about $100K a team....lowest of all bowls.

So, yeah....not surprised the Pac12 passed on that offer.

(03-27-2018 10:32 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  The City of Dallas wants teams that will travel and fill hotel rooms.

I could not agree with you more.

They want a top notch game to be played outdoors in the cold and hope that the stands are full. Is that unrealistic to ask for?

I think there needs to be a low level game 'somewhere' on Dec 26... we need football every day during the holidays. But it should be a low pay bowl... because it wont draw well. Two 6-6 G5 teams just happy to be playing in the postseason.

Weather should never be a concern. It's football not baseball!

I think Texas is a great location, but Dallas has too many bowls, and Houston not enough. How can Dallas and Orlando have so many bowls, and the 4th largest city has only one? That's nuts. The AAC experiment in Miami was ridiculous... but a Bowl in the new UH stadium, or in the renovated Bobcat bowl (smaller bowl) in San Marcos... those would be great options.

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Smartest thing you have ever said. There is some bowl history and a recognizable name just waiting for the AAC to pick it up.

(03-28-2018 04:53 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Smartest thing you have ever said. There is some bowl history and a recognizable name just waiting for the AAC to pick it up.

I have come to the realization that USF fans ONLY post here when they are going to insult me, lol...

(03-28-2018 04:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  I think there needs to be a low level game 'somewhere' on Dec 26... we need football every day during the holidays. But it should be a low pay bowl... because it wont draw well. Two 6-6 G5 teams just happy to be playing in the postseason.

Weather should never be a concern. It's football not baseball!

I think Texas is a great location, but Dallas has too many bowls, and Houston not enough. How can Dallas and Orlando have so many bowls, and the 4th largest city has only one? That's nuts. The AAC experiment in Miami was ridiculous... but a Bowl in the new UH stadium, or in the renovated Bobcat bowl (smaller bowl) in San Marcos... those would be great options.

Ive said for a while that Houston has the perfect plan for a really good small bowl. All any organizer needs to do is dust off the blueprints for the Houston SuperBowl a couple of years ago. Use Discovery Green Park in downtwon Houston and the adjacent convention center for most of the events. There are two beautiful new hotels on either corner of the park that can house each team and their fans. Plenty of bars, restaurants, theatres, and clubs surround the park area. The BVAA Compass stadium is a few blocks away and could be used to start (holds about 22K) and the UH stadium (40K) could be used if the game grows. Light rail runs from the park to TDECU---so fans would never really even need a car. The Houston Zoo and the Museum District are also about 10 minutes away along the Light Rail route.

To me---the real key to making a small bowl like this really take off---is cramming both fan bases into one corner of downtown Houston where they can kind of turn it into a big private party for the week. Do a few local cover band free concerts in the park the two nights prior to the game and you can really make the thing into a fun time that people dont mind doing more than once.

(03-28-2018 05:34 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 04:53 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Smartest thing you have ever said. There is some bowl history and a recognizable name just waiting for the AAC to pick it up.

I have come to the realization that USF fans ONLY post here when they are going to insult me, lol...

it was a compliment! I called you smart...

(03-28-2018 06:58 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 05:34 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 04:53 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Smartest thing you have ever said. There is some bowl history and a recognizable name just waiting for the AAC to pick it up.

I have come to the realization that USF fans ONLY post here when they are going to insult me, lol...

it was a compliment! I called you smart...

D'oh! I am dumb cause it went over my head, lol....

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Is the Astrodome still standing? They could have it there, just like old times.

(03-29-2018 07:06 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Is the Astrodome still standing? They could have it there, just like old times.

It is still standing, and I believe has some sort of designation as a historic landmark. But it is in disrepair... Pics from the inside show it's generally falling apart. The city has tried several initiatives to repurpose it but I think they were defeated. Last I heard a year or two ago, they were working some plan to turn it into additional exhibition space, likely for the Rodeo. Either way, I think its days for football are long over... and it would be to big anyway for anything other than a BCS/NY6 level bowl.

Better at BBVA or the Coogs new stadium.

(03-29-2018 10:36 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 07:06 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(03-27-2018 10:49 AM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Wouldn't it be nice if the Bluebonnet Bowl was brought back ?

Is the Astrodome still standing? They could have it there, just like old times.

It is still standing, and I believe has some sort of designation as a historic landmark. But it is in disrepair... Pics from the inside show it's generally falling apart. The city has tried several initiatives to repurpose it but I think they were defeated. Last I heard a year or two ago, they were working some plan to turn it into additional exhibition space, likely for the Rodeo. Either way, I think its days for football are long over... and it would be to big anyway for anything other than a BCS/NY6 level bowl.

Better at BBVA or the Coogs new stadium.

The Astrodome interior is going to be converted to a parking garage at the low low price of 100+ million (yeah---I dont get it either). Bottom line, its no longer a viable arena (and hasnt been for quite some time). Any Houston Bowl would probably have to be played in one of the following 4 venues---NRG, TDECU, BBVA Compass, or Rice Stadium.