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(03-29-2018 11:18 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 10:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 10:20 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yeah because if you keep saying it then it makes it true. Call me what you will. Your statements are currently baseless. I don't keep up with y'all but when I looked today I see no evidence of over 7300 tickets being sold. The university didn't say it. The BG news didn't say it. The only people saying are some knuckleheads on a message board so pardon me for requiring a little more confirmation to believe it.

https://twitter.com/wkubasketball/status...4250163200

11:30 AM - 10 Feb 2018
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http://wkusports.com/boxscore.aspx?id=4553&path=mbball
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Cool. Now show us where it wasn't done just because of a bad weather situation.

Again, your administration are morons if they are only counting actual attendance.

You are one hardheaded person...

Diddle was SOLDOUT ...All tickets sold at least 7336 the box score list 6429. What part of that can't you understand?

I think you might be the hardheaded one. I acknowledged that and conceded that it happened with FIU. What I was asking about was for this to be demonstrated as a policy for all the other games not just one game where inclement weather caused a bunch of people to not show up.

Guns has already laid that out for you. On multiple occasions we have listed attendance as less than the number of season tickets sold. That alone is proof that we go by butts not tickets sold.

I’m not sure the onus is on us to continue to give you proof that you won’t believe. At this point your mind is made up. Have a great day!
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So Dec. was rough for attendance, we just count 2018 we did well in attendance....
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(03-29-2018 11:45 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:18 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:11 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:06 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 10:34 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  https://twitter.com/wkubasketball/status...4250163200

11:30 AM - 10 Feb 2018
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http://wkusports.com/boxscore.aspx?id=4553&path=mbball
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Cool. Now show us where it wasn't done just because of a bad weather situation.

Again, your administration are morons if they are only counting actual attendance.

You are one hardheaded person...

Diddle was SOLDOUT ...All tickets sold at least 7336 the box score list 6429. What part of that can't you understand?

I think you might be the hardheaded one. I acknowledged that and conceded that it happened with FIU. What I was asking about was for this to be demonstrated as a policy for all the other games not just one game where inclement weather caused a bunch of people to not show up.


Let me just copy and paste a above post...I guess you missed it. Dont take my math for it...you can do it yourself. But going by the season tickets sold on 9-25-2017 and I'm sure there were more sold during the Call-A-Thon

a number of games early in the season had listed official attendance less than season tickets sold. So without one other person buying a walk up ticket (or season ticket on or after 9-25) or one student or one band member sitting foot in diddle on those games ...

the official listed attendance was less than season tickets sold with no one else buying a ticket or 1 student showing up. What part are you not understanding? I assume you can do math. I assume you can read the article. I assume you don't believe its made up. Hell maybe I should stop assuming?

KWC 3844
Nicholl St 3378
Wright St 4165
Indiana St 4412

A couple more , Tech & S. Miss was 4800 to 4600

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Going by Diddle's official listing of 7336 seats (not counting box) and the article below
7336
1500 (actual less) season tickets unsold

Bring you to 5836 sold now lets remove the 1200 set aside for students and that brings you to at the very least 4636 season tickets sold on 9/25/2017

Now you couple of Middle fans can sit down and shut up about things you know NOTHING about.

I dont just talk to be talking...I usually know what in the hell I'm talking about. This is one of those cases


Quote:http://wkusports.com/news/2017/9/25/mens...esday.aspx
WKU head coach Rick Stansbury and the Hilltopper players will appear on WBKO programming throughout the day Wednesday, starting at 6 a.m. on "AM Kentucky."

Stansbury and the players will also make appearances on "Midday Live" and the evening news.

Only during Wednesday's Call-A-Thon with WBKO, reserved bench season tickets for Hilltopper Basketball will start at just $99 per ticket (less than $6 per game), with no limit on the amount of tickets purchased. Those tickets are regularly priced at $149.

Less than 1,500 season tickets for the upcoming Hilltopper Basketball season remain, including less than 100 chairback seats.

Tickets are available online at WKUTickets.com and by calling 1-800-5-BIGRED.

Well, I don't have to sit down and shut up about anything. I never said I knew anything about it. I said I didn't believe it. So, either your season tickets sales are lower than you are claiming or (what I said earlier) your administration and athletics director are idiots if they are announcing attendance below your season ticket sales number.
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It does seem weird if you are only counting actual seat attendance when you have more tickets sold. If you do that then why?

This isn't 1-A football requirements of 1998.
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(03-29-2018 12:18 PM)johndavidblue Wrote:  It does seem weird if you are only counting actual seat attendance when you have more tickets sold. If you do that then why?

This isn't 1-A football requirements of 1998.

WKU's administration knows we need something to argue about on here.
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(03-29-2018 12:18 PM)johndavidblue Wrote:  It does seem weird if you are only counting actual seat attendance when you have more tickets sold. If you do that then why?

This isn't 1-A football requirements of 1998.

So people will know how many people were actually in attendance at the game, which is what should count. The money from ticket sales is great, but when comparing attendance how many are actually in the building is a much better barometer.
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(03-29-2018 11:33 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Good sign for Charlotte to average 4k when they suck that badly.

Need to give UTEP credit too. 6k during one of their worst years. Great fan support
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(03-29-2018 02:11 PM)Hilltopper413 Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 12:18 PM)johndavidblue Wrote:  It does seem weird if you are only counting actual seat attendance when you have more tickets sold. If you do that then why?

This isn't 1-A football requirements of 1998.

So people will know how many people were actually in attendance at the game, which is what should count. The money from ticket sales is great, but when comparing attendance how many are actually in the building is a much better barometer.

Agreed, its a joke at most of these CUSA schools to list an attendance number when you look around arena and you have no more than 2 thousand people in arena...I have no idea the reasoning WKU does this but I guess we are one of the few in this conference where attendance is actual attendance....
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(03-29-2018 02:17 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:33 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Good sign for Charlotte to average 4k when they suck that badly.

Need to give UTEP credit too. 6k during one of their worst years. Great fan support

That number is incorrect based on the 4 or 5 games I saw on TV, no way that had that many combined in those 4 games...
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(03-28-2018 04:57 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  R ATTENDANCE Home AVG/G
1. Middle Tennessee 6,774
2. Old Dominion 6,346
3. UTEP 6,155
4. WKU 5,487
5. Marshall 5,485
6. Charlotte 4,008
7. Louisiana Tech 3,447
8. UAB 3,305
9. North Texas 2,355
10. Rice 2,295
11. Southern Miss 2,139
12. FIU 1,267
13. Florida Atlantic 1,188
14. UTSA 1,146

These figures are totally meaningless based on the differences by which each institution calculates its totals. Some use turnstile, some use ticket stubs, some use eyeballs, and yes we might say some use little white lies. League needs to adopt rule that schools place a turnstile at EVERY entrance and use those totals whether it be students, referees, players, coaches, vendors, and paid customers. Count everyone but DONT count classes such as season ticket holder that didnt show up. Should apply same procedure for each and every sport where attendance is reported.
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(03-29-2018 02:19 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 02:17 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-29-2018 11:33 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Good sign for Charlotte to average 4k when they suck that badly.

Need to give UTEP credit too. 6k during one of their worst years. Great fan support

That number is incorrect based on the 4 or 5 games I saw on TV, no way that had that many combined in those 4 games...

You’re correct there is no actual figure for butts in seats. It’s common knowledge that UTEP counts no shows as part of attendance. That attendance figure is officially recognized by the NCAA.
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(03-29-2018 02:34 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  
(03-28-2018 04:57 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  R ATTENDANCE Home AVG/G
1. Middle Tennessee 6,774
2. Old Dominion 6,346
3. UTEP 6,155
4. WKU 5,487
5. Marshall 5,485
6. Charlotte 4,008
7. Louisiana Tech 3,447
8. UAB 3,305
9. North Texas 2,355
10. Rice 2,295
11. Southern Miss 2,139
12. FIU 1,267
13. Florida Atlantic 1,188
14. UTSA 1,146

These figures are totally meaningless based on the differences by which each institution calculates its totals. Some use turnstile, some use ticket stubs, some use eyeballs, and yes we might say some use little white lies. League needs to adopt rule that schools place a turnstile at EVERY entrance and use those totals whether it be students, referees, players, coaches, vendors, and paid customers. Count everyone but DONT count classes such as season ticket holder that didnt show up. Should apply same procedure for each and every sport where attendance is reported.

Why? So we can measure dicks on the internet? NCAA allows tickets sold or turnstile. Most use tickets sold because it's easy to account for and typically higher.
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Yep, otherwise the whole concept of a sell out is rendered pointless. Some of you seem to want a no empty seat out.

Of course sell outs are also meaningless if half the people that bought tickets don't actually show.

I personally don't care which way it's done, but even though we could all probably agree there should be some consistency we also all likely know that's not going to happen. I do like the idea of only counting people that actually attend. After all, the box score says attendance not tickets sold. But there's a but there. And that is what good is it to promote a sellout if you don't actually have as many people in attendance as tickets sold, which is far more common?

In other words, if schools are going promote the concept of "sellouts" then they should announce on tickets sold. If they are not then the term sell out shouldn't even be in their lexicon. If the standard you are going by is butts in the seats and its officially sold out ticket wise but you don't count tickets sold and then there are less people than the number of seats that shouldn't be called a sellout. If; however, the standard you go by is ticket sales then you can call that a sellout. It's just dumb to play both sides which is what wkcc is doing. Pick one.
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(03-29-2018 02:52 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yep, otherwise the whole concept of a sell out is rendered pointless. Some of you seem to want a no empty seat out.

Of course sell outs are also meaningless if half the people that bought tickets don't actually show.

I personally don't care which way it's done, but even though we could all probably agree there should be some consistency we also all likely know that's not going to happen. I do like the idea of only counting people that actually attend. After all, the box score says attendance not tickets sold. But there's a but there. And that is what good is it to promote a sellout if you don't actually have as many people in attendance as tickets sold, which is far more common?

In other words, if schools are going promote the concept of "sellouts" then they should announce on tickets sold. If they are not then the term sell out shouldn't even be in their lexicon. If the standard you are going by is butts in the seats and its officially sold out ticket wise but you don't count tickets sold and then there are less people than the number of seats that shouldn't be called a sellout. If; however, the standard you go by is ticket sales then you can call that a sellout. It's just dumb to play both sides which is what wkcc is doing. Pick one.

WKU has four “sell-outs” this year. A sell-out means just that, we were sold out of tickets. You could not buy another one. I think it’s just fine to announce a sell-out when you are out of tickets. ATTENDENCE is a completely different number. It is the actual number of people who ATTENDED the game. In 3 of 4 “sell-outs” this year the number of people in attendence was higher than the listed capacity meaning not only did we sell out of tickets, but we also had more people in attendance than seats (extra students who were let in). In the other game that was a “sell-out” all tickets were sold. If all of those who had tickets showed up attendance would have been at capacity or higher. Since they did not, we announce the number of people who were in ATTENDANCE at the game. So there can be times with no tickets available, hence “sold-out”, yet have a crowd of less than capacity. Ticket sales and attendance are two separate numbers. At WKU we announce the number of people who show up.
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The term Attendance is the action of being at a place to be counted, they should call things tickets sold if counted that way..... people actually being in the seats are way more important, revenue from concessions and image it creates
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One other thing on attendance......

some schools buy into the fact that its OK to give 1000s of tickets away or dollar night at almost every game. When you do that it devalues your season tickets. Western will discount tickets $5 or so during Christmas break or things like that. Or maybe have a club night where the kids from the boys and girls club gets in free or school kids with a ticket bought by a parent. But only when school is out.

Ive seen this at a lot of SBC and CUSA road games...stop at a store or a Wendy's and they offer you a ticket to the game with the meal or $1. Ark St was the worse...I saw people with handful of tickets at stop lights (heading to the stadium) giving FB tickets away. I can guarantee you Western would sell out all home football games if they offered freebies or $1 tickets.

Rice has 2k at a football game and you check the box score and see 22k listed as attendance, they are not the only school doing this.

UTEP's stadium is so large they have to offer free to cheap tickets or it would look empty. Same goes for basketball....they like others count the corporate blocks of tickets that is given out for donations.

Those of us in smaller stadiums and arenas dont get to do that because ...it devalues season tickets sold. As I said earlier Western fans are not easily to give up their basketball season tickets even in really bad seasons because that ticket will not be there next year.

My basketball season tickets are in section 106 2nd row (7 rows from the visitors bench) and we been looking to move to priority 1 seating or Red Towel for 5 years. In that time there's never been 2 open seats together. But you will see 50, 100, 200, or more empty in those sections for most games.

But if Western ran a ton of $1 or $5 nights it might make some season ticket holders think... $300 a ticket plus donation or sit somewhere else and pay for games you attend...some $1 or $5


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What I find odd about this for you guys is there is no way you do this for football. So, why do this for basketball (when no one else does) but not for football?
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(03-29-2018 04:12 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  What I find odd about this for you guys is there is no way you do this for football. So, why do this for basketball (when no one else does) but not for football?

Same for football
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Fair enough. If WKU wants to count actual butts in seats that’s their right. Maybe they’re the ones who should put an asterisk next to their attendance figure since they seem to be the only team in the NCAA using that method of tracking attendance.
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Attendanceball. . .

I'll never understand why some of y'all think this is an interesting sport.

But I don't watch golf either, and some people like that. Different strokes I guess.
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