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RE: The Great Northern Conference
(05-25-2018 04:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote: (05-25-2018 01:13 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: (05-24-2018 07:09 PM)NoDak Wrote: The Summit will soon have a problem with qualifying for an autobid. It needs two male team sports beside mbb, which are currently men’s soccer and baseball. If any of IPFW, WIU, Omaha, or ORU leave, the Summit will need to replace a school with both sports within two years. None of the possible replacements currently offers both, not UMKC or Northern Colorado. Augustana wouldn’t be good for five years, and they don’t even offer men’s soccer. Sponsoring football would negate this issue. Have said this over and over, but few here seem to realize how this is an existential crisis for the Summit League.
But getting the Montana’s, Idaho, Weber St, and offering soon to be WAC affiliates Poly, Davis, Sac St, former Southland schools, and having the Summit Dakotas in 2020, the crisis would be averted. It would get an automatic autobid by the FCS continuity rule, as six teams were together previously. The Big Sky would retain their FCS autobid just be them being a league. The year after, those same fb teams can move to WAC for an FBS invite. A two year FBS transition in the WAC would not endanger the Summit’s autobid again if they return in the third year and become an FBS conference. Didn’t want to overly complicate the explanation as most posters here get lost on and don’t know the simple rules.
OK so this is your current Great North scenario:
1. FCS conference with Summit Football in say 2020 (contracts for 2018 and 2019 and 2 + year football exit notice of Big Sky met)
// no reclassification, Great North under Summit League Banner
2. At some future date the WAC forms an FBS conference and invites all these Great North schools
// this will trigger the reclassification clause, so notice to NCAA by June 1 of say 2021 to start WAC FBS on August 1, 2022
So the Big Sky probably gives any schools joining this the boot. They have to be in an Olympic conference other than the WAC for a couple years, in order to get an invite from the WAC. So I take it this means you expect the Summit to accept these schools immediately as members, knowing they will exit in maybe 2-3 years.
Part 2, you have to assume the NCAA rules committee does not get wind of this and close the loophole in ByLaw 20.4.2.1, by removing the words "formerly FBS conference" over the next four or five revisions. This is another way of saying this has to be super secret to snooker the NCAA gate keepers for FBS.
Also for Part 2, the WAC has to agree to start FBS football, and to invite these schools as full members.
Also Part 2, all these schools need to get approval and raise the necessary funding to move to FBS (for the sake of argument lets take the typical $30-40M most schools mention as their upgrade budget). Regents approval, etc, etc.
But all this starts with July 1st announcement of moves to the Summit League. OK, at least we have NoDak's claimed scenario from post #198. I placed some real dates on it:
1. No later than July 1, 2018 announcements of move to Summit League and Summit League Football, presumably in 2020
// this includes a group of Big Sky schools migrating to the Summit for a about 2-3 years at most
2. Before June 1st, 2021 (after the first year of Summit League Football) a group of 6-7 schools get invites from WAC, to join as full members and the WAC will start FBS football
3. Schools joining the WAC will also file for reclassification by June 1st, 2021. They will begin reclassification on August 1, 2022
4. Schools join WAC for 2022-23 season and start playing FBS football (Fall 2023, after playing 2022 as FCS Independents in first transition year)
But it all starts this July 1st
NoDak says the Summit (AKA Great Northern) and WAC will be separate FBS conferences, though.
Tangentially related, but to anyone who knows: How few schools can play a sport under a conference banner for the conference to be considered a sponsor?
ACtually, I don't see anything at all about that in the bylaws. TEchnically, maybe the Summit-without-School-X could solve it's baseball-and-soccer problem by solving either baseball or soccer, and striking a deal with Hockey East or something.
EDIT: I was pretty sure that when the Big EASt split, the new Big East and the AAC had a deal to let each other's teams play as associates in sports where there weren't enough teams for two leagues.
Big East Women's Field Hockey has 3 full members and 5 affiliates.
Georgetown, Providence, Villanova, plus UConn, Temple, ODU, Quinnipiac and Liberty.
Of course, the Big EAst doesn't need Women's Field Hockey to qualify as a conference, so it's possible that there's a rule I missed that says 4 full members and nobody bothered to care that Big East women's Field Hockey is out of compliance.
But it's also possible that there is *no* minimum number of full members for a conference to sponsor a sport.
EDIT AGAIN: The Southland Bowling League is run out of the Southland Conference HQ, and has only 2 Southland teams. So 3 may be the lower limit.
(This post was last modified: 05-25-2018 07:27 PM by johnbragg.)
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