Not sure which is the more interesting nugget, that student demand for tickets is suffering at NDSU like everywhere else, or that student fees cover less than 7% of NDSU's athletics budget, and the tickets will be immediately snapped up by the waiting list.


https://www.westfargopioneer.com/sports/...ball-games

NDSU barely has ANY young fans. It’s like Delaware except not dead yet.

(04-11-2018 05:12 PM)QuinDuke Wrote:  Not sure which is the more interesting nugget, that student demand for tickets is suffering at NDSU like everywhere else, or that student fees cover less than 7% of NDSU's athletics budget, and the tickets will be immediately snapped up by the waiting list.


https://www.westfargopioneer.com/sports/...ball-games

The problem with turning them into season ticket seats is that it's nearly impossible to reverse should they need or want to years down the road. That is what scares me when we establish the seats for season ticket holders in the new Union Bank Center. You've got to get it right for the students in the beginning or it will most likely never be able to be changed.

Anyone know our record for season tickets sold?

How close is the Fargodome to campus? That might explain the lower student attendance if its not close to campus. If it is close to campus, that should be incredibly concerning.
Even more so, this is at a time where they are constantly winning. What happens to the fan base if they go through a year or two of tough seasons?

It’s younger generations. They don’t care about football as much. It is what it is. The nfl will have trouble in about 20 years.

(04-14-2018 06:35 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  How close is the Fargodome to campus? That might explain the lower student attendance if its not close to campus. If it is close to campus, that should be incredibly concerning.
Even more so, this is at a time where they are constantly winning. What happens to the fan base if they go through a year or two of tough seasons?

Fargodome is actually built on campus. The city built the building on it with a 99 year lease on the land of I remember correctly.
The student apathy is concerning. They make tons of noise and their seats are on visiting sideline. About 10 years ago they raised a fuss about lack of seats so NDSU gave them more and in a better location. Now come halftime lucky if there is more than a couple hundred that stick around. Sad really, this run wont last forever and many students don't seem to care.

(04-14-2018 08:42 PM)Bisonlurker Wrote:  

(04-14-2018 06:35 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  How close is the Fargodome to campus? That might explain the lower student attendance if its not close to campus. If it is close to campus, that should be incredibly concerning.
Even more so, this is at a time where they are constantly winning. What happens to the fan base if they go through a year or two of tough seasons?

Fargodome is actually built on campus. The city built the building on it with a 99 year lease on the land of I remember correctly.
The student apathy is concerning. They make tons of noise and their seats are on visiting sideline. About 10 years ago they raised a fuss about lack of seats so NDSU gave them more and in a better location. Now come halftime lucky if there is more than a couple hundred that stick around. Sad really, this run wont last forever and many students don't seem to care.

Do not feel bad, we have a mass departure of students when the third quarter begins. By the beginning of the fourth there is usually half as many students as there was at the beginning of the second quarter. I blame a small piece of our puzzle on their seat location, tough to stay engaged in a game with the sight lines they are given. Hopefully, there will be some adjustments when we finish the stadium (probably a couple decades from now).

(04-14-2018 07:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It’s younger generations. They don’t care about football as much. It is what it is. The nfl will have trouble in about 20 years.

The NFL is already having trouble. TV ratings down 8% 2016 and 10% last year. I thought attendance slid last year, too. A # of reasons. The rules changes at the college and pro level aren’t helping matters either.

The younger generation is more interested in having their noses buried in their smart phones..

About a year ago, a friend of mine was INSISTENT that the NFL ratings were down due to people being turned off by anthem “protests” (even though the anthem is never shown on TV). His views have “evolved” on this topic now lol.

(04-15-2018 07:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  About a year ago, a friend of mine was INSISTENT that the NFL ratings were down due to people being turned off by anthem “protests” (even though the anthem is never shown on TV). His views have “evolved” on this topic now lol.

If the anthem is never shown in TV, then all those TV clips of kneeling during the anthem must have been optical illusions lol.

That might not have been the #1 reason, but it would be silly to say it had no negative effect. The ratings were down for a # of reasons. They’ll probably continue to fall.

(04-14-2018 07:01 PM)Potomac Wrote:  It’s younger generations. They don’t care about football as much. It is what it is. The nfl will have trouble in about 20 years.

This is highly over simplified and a classic blame it on the millenials becuase we don't know better. Football is less popular overall now across the country. FCS football isn't as big or important as these boards make it out to be. It's a simple fact that most kids who go to schools without big, historic programs just don't care much about the team. If you look at power 5 schools the football following is as big as ever. It's a culture thing and it comes with being nationally recognized.

The NFL doesn't have a younger generation not liking football problem. The NFL has a CTE problem, a four and a half hour game becuase of commercials problem, and a ****** commisioner problem. Has nothing to do with a generational issue and kids not liking football.

(04-15-2018 09:06 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 07:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  About a year ago, a friend of mine was INSISTENT that the NFL ratings were down due to people being turned off by anthem “protests” (even though the anthem is never shown on TV). His views have “evolved” on this topic now lol.

If the anthem is never shown in TV, then all those TV clips of kneeling during the anthem must have been optical illusions lol.

That might not have been the #1 reason, but it would be silly to say it had no negative effect. The ratings were down for a # of reasons. They’ll probably continue to fall.

Plenty of cameras rolling, but the anthem is literally never broadcast during the regular season. I’ve yet to see a credible analysis of the “protests” linked to reduced ratings.

(04-15-2018 10:21 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:06 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 07:31 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  About a year ago, a friend of mine was INSISTENT that the NFL ratings were down due to people being turned off by anthem “protests” (even though the anthem is never shown on TV). His views have “evolved” on this topic now lol.

If the anthem is never shown in TV, then all those TV clips of kneeling during the anthem must have been optical illusions lol.

That might not have been the #1 reason, but it would be silly to say it had no negative effect. The ratings were down for a # of reasons. They’ll probably continue to fall.

Plenty of cameras rolling, but the anthem is literally never broadcast during the regular season. I’ve yet to see a credible analysis of the “protests” linked to reduced ratings.

It doesn’t matter that the anthems were never broadcast. The wife and baby moma beatings were never broadcast, but they and the NFL’s criticized handling of them were all over the sports & regular news a few years ago, just like the anthem kneeling has been the last couple of seasons.

I’ve yet to see a credible analysis that says the protests had zero to do with the reduced ratings. You’d have to be delusional to think no one stopped watching because of it (I personally know a couple who did). The only question is how much of the 18% or whatever it is drop over the last 2 seasons is attributable. It isn’t zero.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/poll-...-watching/
http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_con...f_protests
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/poll-33-n...15783.html

Nielsen ratings are becoming useless as they don’t measure how people are watching things through streaming, on demand, etc.
All it is saying is ratings are down through traditional TV sets, cable boxes, etc.
That’s not surprising given that Americans are cord cutting more every year. They may still be watching, but doing so by another means Nielsen can’t be bothered to evolve their practices and actually measure.

Maybe not the Sunday day games, but seems like the NFL usually shows the anthem for the nationally broadcasted evening games at least some of the time.

Only anthem I’ve ever seen broadcast are the semis & super bowl.

I’ll just say the comparison seems off if we’re saying felony crimes (Ray Rice) & kneeling during the anthem (Kaepernick) are similar.

I agree it’s not zero%, BDK. I just heard from my friend last year about how it was THE #1 reason. Clearly, he overstated the facts due to his personal feelings on the matter.